VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #28

[Jazmania]

I mean personally IMO it appears that there were either no experts willing to testify, no experts that had an opinion that would help the defence or if there were experts, they were not considered qualified enough by the court to offer their opinion. I fully believe that if BM had any experts to help the case then he would have put them on the stand. The fact there weren’t any for the defense IMO speaks volumes. But again that’s JMO.

From the latest Mail podcast it appears certain that the defence did instruct experts. My personal opinion is that they fed into some of the lines of questioning that Myers took with the prosecution experts, for example whether the rashes seen in embolism cases were the same as those seen in the trial cases. However I personally believe they didn't testify because after hearing all the clinical evidence they would have come to the same conclusions as the prosecution's experts, and would have said so under cross examination.

 

[Dotta]

I would (as a foreperson haha) decide to discuss cases chronologically WITHOUT asking first for opinions G/NG.

To avoid bias.

Simply arguments for/against.
Let evidence, not opinions speak.

Making a survey G/NG might IMO influence the Jury from the start.

And it must be avoided.
JMO

 

[Dotta]

"Court has just reassembled - the jury have requested a copy of Judge James Goss' summing up.

Judge Goss, addressing them, says 'the short answer is no, you can't. What you can ask for is to be reminded of any particular piece of evidence, you cannot have a rerun of my summing up'."

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[bobbymkii]

"Court has just reassembled - the jury have requested a copy of Judge James Goss' summing up.

Judge Goss, addressing them, says 'the short answer is no, you can't. What you can ask for is to be reminded of any particular piece of evidence, you cannot have a rerun of my summing up'."

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I think we're in for a long wait!

 

[Dotta]

It reminds me of my pupils

Instead of reading a novel they search summary in the Internet.

Just saying

 

[Moll]

They wanted a written transcript of the judge's several days of summing up, after taking notes themselves for months?
A bit concerning, if understandable. They can keep coming back to ask specific questions though, so I agree, it looks like a long wait - longer than the 20 hours I suggested!

 

[notsure]

I'm surprised. I kind of thought all the details would be etched indelibly on their brains by now.

 

[MissMarbles]

I've had a couple of posts removed from these threads because I just couldn't quite get my head around the sub judice issue, so I haven't been posting. I have, however, been reading along. Thank you all for the wonderful discussions and information. Everyone I have spoken to, (in my "real life") knows we are officially on "verdict watch" now. I'm with you all in spirit!

There's so much I would like to post or ask on here, reckon alot of us are the same!

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Maybe they feel the judge's summary is the least biased one. During the trial, the attorneys had an agenda.

Or maybe they need to really agree on a way to organize their discussions and feel rereading it together would ensure all of the most important points are discussed.

 

[notsure]

Maybe they feel the judge's summary is the least biased one. During the trial, the attorneys had an agenda.

Or maybe they need to really agree on a way to organize their discussions and feel rereading it together would ensure all of the most important points are discussed.

Good point - seeing it summarised like that could be a useful basis for their discussions.

 

[Dotta]

Maybe they feel the judge's summary is the least biased one. During the trial, the attorneys had an agenda.

Or maybe they need to really agree on a way to organize their discussions and feel rereading it together would ensure all of the most important points are discussed.

But it somehow looks like "taking a shortcut" IMO.
And the Judge also thinks so, it seems

 

[notsure]

I didn't expect reporters to be in the courtroom today. Does everyone turn up each day until the jury has made up its mind?

 

[Kemug]

Or maybe it shows that a juror is already being difficult, and trying to prove that he/she is correct.

 

[gc105]

I didn't expect reporters to be in the courtroom today. Does everyone turn up each day until the jury has made up its mind?

I imagine so, as nobody has any way of knowing when the jury will return with verdicts. Could be 2 days, could be 2 weeks+

 

[gc105]

Or maybe it shows that a juror is already being difficult, and trying to prove that he/she is correct.

Could be they already have a unanimous decision one way or the other.
Could be a member of the jury/several members or all of them are completely overwhelmed by the volume of evidence in front of them.
Could be they want to use the judges summary as a starting point to begin deliberations.
Could be one member of the jury being difficult.
Only they know, we’re all just left wondering, guessing & fretting!

 

[ShireChe]

I think I'd be feeling quite hacked of if it'd sat there for 9 months listening to all the evidence, had a binder of thousands of pages of evidence and then the judge summing up for 5 days and he won't even accommodate their request

 

[Parker Knoll]

Have a wonderful trip @Tortoise and enjoy being super proud mum ! X

 

[Dcflag]

The summing up is a really good condensed version of events. So I can see why they’d want a copy of it. Equally though, it’s just a summing up. I guess they’re just going to have to muddle through it all.

 

[Thirty23]

I’ve been following this case since the initial arrests and since the trial began, I’m now 37 weeks pregnant!

Just a question - does the accused come back to court every day during jury deliberation?

 

[ColourPurple]

I fully believe that if BM had any experts to help the case then he would have put them on the stand. The fact there weren’t any for the defense IMO speaks volumes.

RSBM

That's the long and short of it. I agree. I suspect it was the cross examination of them by the prosecution that would have been too risky. If there was a chance they might agree with/not rule out the other experts' opinions then it would be madness to put them on the stand.

JMO