VERDICT WATCH UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #30

[crystalline]

Deleted, question already asked.

 

[Anxala]

I'm wondering if they all knew the 12th juror had an unavoidable commitment next week and that is why they were assuming court would not be sitting, but instead the judge discharged the juror.

I think that's a good and logical theory.

 

[Dotta]

I'm wondering if they all knew the 12th juror had an unavoidable commitment next week and that is why they were assuming court would not be sitting, but instead the judge discharged the juror.

Bingo!!!

Like unruly class that needs a stern teacher hahaha

JMO

 

[ColourPurple]

I'm wondering if they all knew the 12th juror had an unavoidable commitment next week and that is why they were assuming court would not be sitting, but instead the judge discharged the juror.

He has made it sound like they all agreed to make any appointments they needed, for next week, on the assumption that they'd be off all week. Bizarre!

 

[ColourPurple]

I think they all probably expected this to be over by now, so maybe that's why appointments were made. Hopefully they can be re-arranged, otherwise we're going to have more delays. But I hope @bbsaz is correct and the verdict will come today!

It's the fact that they've all made them for the same week and all assumed they'd be off that week that is just weird. Why would they assume that ?Maybe something similar happened the week they didn't sit at all, and they just assumed the same would happen again?

 

[Blondiexoxo]

Sounds like the jury are trying to operate on their own terms IMO. Of course it will be ‘impossible’ to rearrange these appointments and court will not sit for the full week, I predict late starts/early finishes and atleast one or two days off next week…
MOO

 

[Dotta]

Mr NJ KC must be grinding his teeth

 

[ColourPurple]

Sounds like the jury are trying to operate on their own terms IMO. Of course it will be ‘impossible’ to rearrange these appointments and court will not sit for the full week, I predict late starts/early finishes and atleast one or two days off next week…
MOO

I'm thinking in a trial this length maybe it'd make sense to have a scheduled morning off each week or fortnight where people can make appointments.

 

[Legal]

If I was them, I would agree to stay as late as possible tonight and get it done!!!

Seriously, I'm also following the tik tok murder trial and those jury members have managed to make it in every day!

 

[Dotta]

This kind of "mutiny" usually happens when ppl are not satisfied/disillusioned about conditions they have to put up with.

Morale is low then.

JMO

 

[Jazmania]

I'm wondering if they all knew the 12th juror had an unavoidable commitment next week and that is why they were assuming court would not be sitting, but instead the judge discharged the juror.

That's what I was thinking too

 

[Tortoise]

"He said he would not be "unsympathetic" if rearranging those appointments was "impossible", but those jurors should make efforts to do so, and be afforded the time to make those rearrangements at one of the 'smoke breaks' or earlier."

Lucy Letby trial jury sent home after 14th day of deliberations

THE Lucy Letby trial jury has been sent home following the 14th day of deliberations (Friday, August 4).

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[DinerMite]

I feel for the jurors in fairness. The trial has gone over by 4 months - nearly a year. Imagine a year of this where you can't book holidays, attend occasions or anything. Sure they will have some allowance but it's easy for members of WS to judge them when they haven't been sat in their spot for the past 10 months. Shaking my head.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm just thinking they would need their phones for that, so won't be possible during deliberations because phones are taken away. I expect his instructions about the jurors being afforded the opportunity were to the bailiff.

 

[Anxala]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> People seem to be forgetting this trial was supposed to have an end date of April/May.

That there are still 11 committed jurors in place is imo a borderline miracle. And there would have been 12 had life unfortunately not gotten in the way of the discharged juror. And all this despite the trial period going 4 months (and rising) over the expected end date of what was already a huge undertaking on their parts. They deserve nothing but praise and empathy for committment well above and beyond the call of duty.

Instead, gob-smackingly, they're being criticised and berated and ridiculed and held to a ridiculously high standard, one that those of us not on the jury would not remotely meet.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

He has made it sound like they all agreed to make any appointments they needed, for next week, on the assumption that they'd be off all week. Bizarre!

Let's not forget that by this point, those jury members will be firmly bonded into a group dynamic so tight that any form of dysfunction will be undetectable to the members themselves and yet from the outside would look completely bonkers.

This is the problem with a jury sitting for such a long time, it becomes an entity within its own right and has devolved into a complex structure that would be governed by personalities of individuals. Plus the content matter of this case is so very extreme it gives an added abnormal pressure. Cults are made of this stuff.

I would like to know what monitoring processes and procedures there are to guard against juries becoming profoundly sick and dysfunctional groups. ETA: Plus, as pointed out above, morale. I would like to know what is being done to keep these jury members safe, well, and happy during this awful process where their whole life has been hijacked.

I have great sympathy for the jurors.

 

[Penny68]

Just thinking here, it is a good job it is not Judge Goss that now has to pull out, due to maybe an illness of sorts.

How would it all go on then. A new Judge of course, but crikey what a catch up that would need.

Also surely with that needing to happen the trial couldn't possibly carry on until such time he or she has caught up.

 

[Parker Knoll]

I have to admit this is utterly bizarre.
A very precarious situation imo.

 

[Moll]

On the contrary. People seem to be forgetting this trial was supposed to have an end date of April/May.

That there are still 11 committed jurors in place is imo a borderline miracle. And there would have been 12 had life unfortunately not gotten in the way of the discharged juror. And all this despite the trial period going 4 months (and rising) over the expected end date.

Instead, gob-smackingly, they're being criticised and berated and ridiculed and held to a ridiculous standard, one that those of us not on the jury would not remotely meet.

I entirely agree.

It also doesn't seem to me extraordinary that during a period when there have been large numbers of work days lost through Covid and respiratory illnesses, apart from anything else, there were 27 days absent among 12 people.

In addition much of the discussion here is based on assumptions which may be false. It is an extraordinary case.

 

[Parker Knoll]

It is agreed, that’s the problem though as people assume and speculate.