UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #5

[JosieJo]

Possibly but it could have been in a coat pocket or stuffed away in a bedside drawer, for instance? Last time I helped someone move we just carried bedside cabinets out without emptying them.

Yep...or they could have neatly tidied everything and LL made sure it was kept safe
Either way it lessens the likelihood of it being hidden behind a sofa for years

 

[Tortoise]

Morning all.

Just copying over a post I made in the media thread, which is new information. UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*


Episode 3 - 31 October 2022

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 3: Baby A​

In this episode, Liz and Caroline continue their examination of the trial, which is focusing on each baby in turn. They look at what the prosecution say happened to Baby A – the first alleged victim. A premature twin boy, he died 24 hours after his birth in June 2015. We’ll also hear about a rash found on some of the alleged victims and hear text messages Lucy Letby sent to colleagues after Baby A’s death.

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 3: Baby A

www.mailplus.co.uk

Snippets from podcast (my transcript):

“LL also told detectives that she knew Baby A and his twin sister Baby B were much wanted babies and his parents had waited a long time for them. The interviewing officer then asked “who told you that?” and she replied “it was known through the nursing handover we had”. She was then asked if that sort of information would change the way she would deal with parents, and she said “no, I would like to think we treat all the parents the same, but you bear in mind what they’ve gone through to get to this point”.”

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LL's text (Whatsapp) exchange with colleague Jennifer Jones-Key on Saturday 13th June 2015, during LL's night-shift - the night-shift when Baby C collapsed shortly after 11pm and died after midnight. The conversation starts at 9.48pm and concludes at about 11pm -

9:48pm –

JJ-K: "You ok? x"

LL: "I just keep thinking about Monday. Feel like I need to be in 1 to overcome it, but [nursing colleague] said no x"

JJ-K: "I agree with her, don't think it will help. You need a break from full-on ICU, you have to let it go or it will eat you up."

LL: "Not the vented baby necessarily, I just feel I need to be in 1, to get the image out of my head. To be in 3 is eating me up. All I can see is him in 1. It probably sounds odd but it's how I feel x"

JJ-K: “It sounds very odd and I’d be complete opposite.

LL: “Well that’s how I feel. I don’t expect people to understand but I know how I feel and how I have dealt with it before. I voiced that so can’t do any more, but people should respect that.”

JJ-K: “I think they do respect it but also trying to help you.”
JJ-K: “Why don’t you go in 1 for a bit?”

LL: "Yeah, I have done a couple of meds in 1. I’ll be fine"

LL: "Forget I said anything, I will be fine, it's part of the job but just don't feel like there is much team spirit tonight x"

JJ-K: "I am not going to forget but think you're way too hard on yourself."


The text message conversation, on Whatsapp, concludes at about 11pm.
Child C collapsed 20 minutes later.


Times of text conversation and additional text come from Chester Standard's live updates -
this post - UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

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[Not in podcast] - Texts between LL and the same colleague Jennifer Jones-Key on the morning of 14th June 2015 after Baby C had died and LL had finished her night-shift -

LL: "Sorry if I was off, just wasn’t a great start to the shift but sadly it got worse."

JJ-K: "You weren't off, you just were not happy and there is nothing I could say that was going to make it any better."

LL: "I was struggling to accept what happened to [Child A], now we’ve lost [Child C] as well and it's all a bit much."

JJ-K: "It will be but it does happen to these babies unfortunately. "It's a very sad part of our job."
The colleague recalls a baby who had previously died in the neonatal unit, but had "overwhelming sepsis" so "nothing would have saved that baby".

LL: "[C] is the little 800g baby. He went off very suddenly. I know it happens but it's so sad and cruel."… “I just keep seeing them both. No one should have to see and do the things we do. It’s heartbreaking.”

JJ-K: "Hoping you are going to ok, this is not like you. Sending the biggest hugs."

LL: "It's heartbreaking but it's not about me."

JJ-K: "Chin up chuck we will get through it together."

LL: "It's not about me or anyone else, it's these poor parents who have to walk away without their baby. It’s so unbelievably sad."


Sources:

Chester Standard - UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

BBC article - Lucy Letby: Nurse said baby's death was 'all a bit much', trial told

 

[Supernovae]

That seems like a lot of money?

Presumably it was with a mortgage. You'll struggle to find a house for much less these days.

 

[MsBetsy]

Interesting I have thought of one way. Child E was the last child in a pattern of embolisms after being told by a colleague that she thought the first three deaths A,C,D were suspicious or “odd”. Did she change method after that exchange to avoid detection?

I think the twins, child's E and F, is one of the strongest cases. Child F was the first child who was attacked using a different method. The nurses notes on Child E were false, and probably for a good reason.

The mother walked in as LL was allegedly attacking child E, yet she seemed to think nothing of it after telling the mom, 'trust me, I'm a nurse.' She wrote nothing in her notes about the child bleeding from his mouth. Instead, she wrote the 'child's feeds well tolerated,' but the baby hadn't been fed by the mother as she was bringing the milk at 9:00 pm!

The doctor said the baby was 'acutely distressed,' and that he never saw a baby bleed so much. He claimed the child lost more than a quarter of his blood volume.

The mother was 'fobbed off' at Letby and so upset she called her husband. LL had urged her to go back to her ward after seeing her child bleeding from the mouth! No wonder she was so upset.

The baby died less than five hours later.

Then, LL allegedly "wiped out" the mother's visit from hospital records, creating an alibi in someone else's records, according to the prosecution.

Less than 24 hours after Child E died, his brother, Child F was attacked via insulin in the bag. He survived.

 

[arrogantcat]

So if she moved into her house in 2016 ...does that not mean baby b's handover sheet "moved with her"

Tbf, if it was just stuffed in a big box of papers or whatever that wouldn’t be so unusual

 

[Music2022]

Morning all.

Just copying over a post I made in the media thread, which is new information. UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*


Episode 3 - 31 October 2022

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 3: Baby A​

In this episode, Liz and Caroline continue their examination of the trial, which is focusing on each baby in turn. They look at what the prosecution say happened to Baby A – the first alleged victim. A premature twin boy, he died 24 hours after his birth in June 2015. We’ll also hear about a rash found on some of the alleged victims and hear text messages Lucy Letby sent to colleagues after Baby A’s death.

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 3: Baby A

www.mailplus.co.uk

Snippets from podcast (my transcript):

“LL also told detectives that she knew Baby A and his twin sister Baby B were much wanted babies and his parents had waited a long time for them. The interviewing officer then asked “who told you that?” and she replied “it was known through the nursing handover we had”. She was then asked if that sort of information would change the way she would deal with parents, and she said “no, I would like to think we treat all the parents the same, but you bear in mind what they’ve gone through to get to this point”.”

------

LL's text (Whatsapp) exchange with colleague Jennifer Jones-Key on Saturday 13th June 2015, during LL's night-shift - the night-shift when Baby C collapsed shortly after 11pm and died after midnight. The conversation starts at 9.48pm and concludes at about 11pm -

9:48pm –

JJ-K: "You ok? x"

LL: "I just keep thinking about Monday. Feel like I need to be in 1 to overcome it, but [nursing colleague] said no x"

JJ-K: "I agree with her, don't think it will help. You need a break from full-on ICU, you have to let it go or it will eat you up."

LL: "Not the vented baby necessarily, I just feel I need to be in 1, to get the image out of my head. To be in 3 is eating me up. All I can see is him in 1. It probably sounds odd but it's how I feel x"

JJ-K: “It sounds very odd and I’d be complete opposite.

LL: “Well that’s how I feel. I don’t expect people to understand but I know how I feel and how I have dealt with it before. I voiced that so can’t do any more, but people should respect that.”

JJ-K: “I think they do respect it but also trying to help you.”
JJ-K: “Why don’t you go in 1 for a bit?”

LL: "Yeah, I have done a couple of meds in 1. I’ll be fine"

LL: "Forget I said anything, I will be fine, it's part of the job but just don't feel like there is much team spirit tonight x"

JJ-K: "I am not going to forget but think you're way too hard on yourself."


The text message conversation, on Whatsapp, concludes at about 11pm.
Child C collapsed 20 minutes later.


Times of text conversation and additional text come from Chester Standard's live updates -
this post - UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

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[Not in podcast] - Texts between LL and the same colleague Jennifer Jones-Key on the morning of 14th June 2015 after Baby C had died and LL had finished her night-shift -

LL: "Sorry if I was off, just wasn’t a great start to the shift but sadly it got worse."

JJ-K: "You weren't off, you just were not happy and there is nothing I could say that was going to make it any better."

LL: "I was struggling to accept what happened to [Child A], now we’ve lost [Child C] as well and it's all a bit much."

JJ-K: "It will be but it does happen to these babies unfortunately. "It's a very sad part of our job."
The colleague recalls a baby who had previously died in the neonatal unit, but had "overwhelming sepsis" so "nothing would have saved that baby".

LL: "[C] is the little 800g baby. He went off very suddenly. I know it happens but it's so sad and cruel."… “I just keep seeing them both. No one should have to see and do the things we do. It’s heartbreaking.”

JJ-K: "Hoping you are going to ok, this is not like you. Sending the biggest hugs."

LL: "It's heartbreaking but it's not about me."

JJ-K: "Chin up chuck we will get through it together."

LL: "It's not about me or anyone else, it's these poor parents who have to walk away without their baby. It’s so unbelievably sad."


Sources:

Chester Standard - UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

BBC article - Lucy Letby: Nurse said baby's death was 'all a bit much', trial told

I get an odd vibe from this. Does she try to portray herself as more emotionally involved than the rest of the team? Comes off self absorbed although she talks about the parents but the focus is still on her and how she feels and how hard her job is. I don’t like it.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm not really seeing the relevance of the matter relating to when she bought the house or what she paid for it. In fact, we don't know for sure that it was even hers. One of the neighbors mentioned something to the effect that there was a relatively high turnover of residents which could imply that she was renting.

The Torquay holiday with parents was in 2018 just before she was arrested so she'd been on suspension for a while up to that point, I think.

I'd say it's relevant in terms of it being information to build a picture of her life outside of work, the person rather than just the nurse. No longer living with parents for example, although she could have moved out of her parents' home years before that, but their home was also searched I recall. Whether she might have been preoccupied with buying & moving during a period when no attacks on babies are alleged to have occurred.

 

[BabaVanga]

I get an odd vibe from this. Does she try to portray herself as more emotionally involved than the rest of the team? Comes off self absorbed although she talks about the parents but the focus is still on her and how she feels and how hard her job is. I don’t like it.

Exactly. Her attitude is so strange in these messages in my opinion.

 

[Music2022]

Exactly. Her attitude is so strange in these messages in my opinion.

Comes off as someone overcompensating, way too over the top. Also the “it should be respected” comment. Why doesn’t she respect her superior orders and do as she’s been instructed to? So she’s happy to ignore that but feels entitled to her wishes being respected.

 

[Powermjp]

I get an odd vibe from this. Does she try to portray herself as more emotionally involved than the rest of the team? Comes off self absorbed although she talks about the parents but the focus is still on her and how she feels and how hard her job is. I don’t like it.

Indeed, LL says "its not about me" when all the other texts sent from LL were about herself. The amount of times she writes "I" in messages, is quite a lot. (a narcistic trait is a constant references to self)


You can tell by the replies of the other nurse, she wants to get on with it, more professional. While LL seems to be emotionally very involved, and does make it about herself (until the last message)

If this was a one off, maybe its not so bad actually. But if she was regularly messaging other nurses like this, i'd feel sorry for them.

She seems to be dwelling on the babies a lot, and if you add

1. taking home notes from the babies
2. facebook searching the families of the babies
3. messaging other nurses about the case, dwelling on the cases. “I just keep seeing them both"
4. going into visit the familes of the babies, after been told to stay away
5. messaging nurses how she is watching bbc doc about their job, babies in ICU. Can she not wind down and forget about work? (again not a big deal on its own, but a little work obsessive?)


And maybe more that we will see, its leading to some behaviour that seem off.

At the very least a nurse who is way over emotionally involved in these cases.

 

[Sweeper2000]

I think the twins, child's E and F, is one of the strongest cases. Child F was the first child who was attacked using a different method. The nurses notes on Child E were false, and probably for a good reason.

The mother walked in as LL was allegedly attacking child E, yet she seemed to think nothing of it after telling the mom, 'trust me, I'm a nurse.' She wrote nothing in her notes about the child bleeding from his mouth. Instead, she wrote the 'child's feeds well tolerated,' but the baby hadn't been fed by the mother as she was bringing the milk at 9:00 pm!

The doctor said the baby was 'acutely distressed,' and that he never saw a baby bleed so much. He claimed the child lost more than a quarter of his blood volume.

The mother was 'fobbed off' at Letby and so upset she called her husband. LL had urged her to go back to her ward after seeing her child bleeding from the mouth! No wonder she was so upset.

The baby died less than five hours later.

Then, LL allegedly "wiped out" the mother's visit from hospital records, creating an alibi in someone else's records, according to the prosecution.

Less than 24 hours after Child E died, his brother, Child F was attacked via insulin in the bag. He survived.

Yep I noticed that as well but was waiting on info regarding the one instance of alleged deliberate dishonesty in this instance one of falsified notes which if guilty and true would indicate a understanding that she might be leaving a trail so to speak.

If we assumed the prosecution are correct in alleging she deliberately falsified notes I would assume a presence of more than one instance of it or of other notable instances of deliberate lies. If a lie is only present in one case I would strongly suggest there is no basis to assume “dishonesty” in personality or in the events. Assuming she didn’t mention the bleeding from the mouth intentionally why in many of the other cases where deliberate and noticed physical harm is suggested (liver trauma, baby O and baby N) is there no other examples of suggested “covering of tracks”?. Really isn’t much consistency in any of it, no discernible patterns here in behaviour or events, aside from suspected AE.

There are three suggested incidences of LL attacking siblings. Baby A and B, Baby E and F and Babies O and P. In the first two sets of attacks one sibling survived whereas O and P unfortunately did not. Might be a pattern there, O and P were fatalities suggesting a greater effort in attempt especially with O being the most severe case, also is in line with my observation that frustrations due to previous failed attempts with poisonings and less lethal means caused her to go “overkill” on O and P.

All my own opinion.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Covering today’s court proceedings.

Recap: Lucy Letby trial, Tuesday, November 1

THE trial of Lucy Letby, who denies murdering seven babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital neonatal unit and attempting to murder 10 more,…

www.chesterstandard.co.uk

 

[JosieJo]

Morning all.

Just copying over a post I made in the media thread, which is new information. UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*


Episode 3 - 31 October 2022

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 3: Baby A​

In this episode, Liz and Caroline continue their examination of the trial, which is focusing on each baby in turn. They look at what the prosecution say happened to Baby A – the first alleged victim. A premature twin boy, he died 24 hours after his birth in June 2015. We’ll also hear about a rash found on some of the alleged victims and hear text messages Lucy Letby sent to colleagues after Baby A’s death.

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 3: Baby A

www.mailplus.co.uk

Snippets from podcast (my transcript):

“LL also told detectives that she knew Baby A and his twin sister Baby B were much wanted babies and his parents had waited a long time for them. The interviewing officer then asked “who told you that?” and she replied “it was known through the nursing handover we had”. She was then asked if that sort of information would change the way she would deal with parents, and she said “no, I would like to think we treat all the parents the same, but you bear in mind what they’ve gone through to get to this point”.”

------

LL's text (Whatsapp) exchange with colleague Jennifer Jones-Key on Saturday 13th June 2015, during LL's night-shift - the night-shift when Baby C collapsed shortly after 11pm and died after midnight. The conversation starts at 9.48pm and concludes at about 11pm -

9:48pm –

JJ-K: "You ok? x"

LL: "I just keep thinking about Monday. Feel like I need to be in 1 to overcome it, but [nursing colleague] said no x"

JJ-K: "I agree with her, don't think it will help. You need a break from full-on ICU, you have to let it go or it will eat you up."

LL: "Not the vented baby necessarily, I just feel I need to be in 1, to get the image out of my head. To be in 3 is eating me up. All I can see is him in 1. It probably sounds odd but it's how I feel x"

JJ-K: “It sounds very odd and I’d be complete opposite.

LL: “Well that’s how I feel. I don’t expect people to understand but I know how I feel and how I have dealt with it before. I voiced that so can’t do any more, but people should respect that.”

JJ-K: “I think they do respect it but also trying to help you.”
JJ-K: “Why don’t you go in 1 for a bit?”

LL: "Yeah, I have done a couple of meds in 1. I’ll be fine"

LL: "Forget I said anything, I will be fine, it's part of the job but just don't feel like there is much team spirit tonight x"

JJ-K: "I am not going to forget but think you're way too hard on yourself."


The text message conversation, on Whatsapp, concludes at about 11pm.
Child C collapsed 20 minutes later.


Times of text conversation and additional text come from Chester Standard's live updates -
this post - UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

---

[Not in podcast] - Texts between LL and the same colleague Jennifer Jones-Key on the morning of 14th June 2015 after Baby C had died and LL had finished her night-shift -

LL: "Sorry if I was off, just wasn’t a great start to the shift but sadly it got worse."

JJ-K: "You weren't off, you just were not happy and there is nothing I could say that was going to make it any better."

LL: "I was struggling to accept what happened to [Child A], now we’ve lost [Child C] as well and it's all a bit much."

JJ-K: "It will be but it does happen to these babies unfortunately. "It's a very sad part of our job."
The colleague recalls a baby who had previously died in the neonatal unit, but had "overwhelming sepsis" so "nothing would have saved that baby".

LL: "[C] is the little 800g baby. He went off very suddenly. I know it happens but it's so sad and cruel."… “I just keep seeing them both. No one should have to see and do the things we do. It’s heartbreaking.”

JJ-K: "Hoping you are going to ok, this is not like you. Sending the biggest hugs."

LL: "It's heartbreaking but it's not about me."

JJ-K: "Chin up chuck we will get through it together."

LL: "It's not about me or anyone else, it's these poor parents who have to walk away without their baby. It’s so unbelievably sad."


Sources:

Chester Standard - UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

BBC article - Lucy Letby: Nurse said baby's death was 'all a bit much', trial told

These messages are even more odd to me than I first thought
She seems almost angry she wasn't in room 1
I can understand why the nurse in charge might be a little frustrated if she originally "asked" to go in room 1 and even then kept getting involved with the family.
Even her colleague didn't seem to understand her frustration

 

[Sweeper2000]

Nearly everything she has written and is being speculated upon give no indication as to an abnormal person, really nothing at all. Even when she was asked to leave the room isn’t particularly far from what one could/would expect unless you think she is guilty. The language she uses is much more normal than not.

 

[JosieJo]

Nearly everything she has written and is being speculated upon give no indication as to an abnormal person, really nothing at all. Even when she was asked to leave the room isn’t particularly far from what one could/would expect unless you think she is guilty. The language she uses is much more normal than not.

I've no idea if guilty or not yet ...but imo those messages are at best "odd"

 

[Tortoise]

I struggle to see how the defence barrister can bring up 'staff struggling to cope' when the jury can plainly see that LL was willfully ignoring her duties that night, private texting, being in a nursery she wasn't supposed to be in for hours, then being in the family room when the designated nurse was already handling it, and getting involved in the memory box preparation which was not her assignment.

 

[JosieJo]

I struggle to see how the defence barrister can bring up 'staff struggling to cope' when the jury can plainly see that LL was willfully ignoring her duties that night, private texting, being in a nursery she wasn't supposed to be in for hours, then being in the family room when the designated nurse was already handling it, and getting involved in the memory box preparation which was not her assignment.

Every single person on the stand he has asked about staffing.
All have said they needed more staff ..and all added "as every hospital in the country"
No one yet has said care was compromised or dangerous.
I do wonder if this may "grate" on the jury

 

[Dotta]

I think the twins, child's E and F, is one of the strongest cases. Child F was the first child who was attacked using a different method. The nurses notes on Child E were false, and probably for a good reason.

The mother walked in as LL was allegedly attacking child E, yet she seemed to think nothing of it after telling the mom, 'trust me, I'm a nurse.' She wrote nothing in her notes about the child bleeding from his mouth. Instead, she wrote the 'child's feeds well tolerated,' but the baby hadn't been fed by the mother as she was bringing the milk at 9:00 pm!

The doctor said the baby was 'acutely distressed,' and that he never saw a baby bleed so much. He claimed the child lost more than a quarter of his blood volume.

The mother was 'fobbed off' at Letby and so upset she called her husband. LL had urged her to go back to her ward after seeing her child bleeding from the mouth! No wonder she was so upset.

The baby died less than five hours later.

Then, LL allegedly "wiped out" the mother's visit from hospital records, creating an alibi in someone else's records, according to the prosecution.

Less than 24 hours after Child E died, his brother, Child F was attacked via insulin in the bag. He survived.

I got real chills of terror reading this.
It is too much

 

[kittythehare]

Every single person on the stand he has asked about staffing.
All have said they needed more staff ..and all added "as every hospital in the country"
No one yet has said care was compromised or dangerous.
I do wonder if this may "grate" on the jury

I never worked in well staffed hospitals but nobody was ever murdered!

 

[kittythehare]

Morning all.

Just copying over a post I made in the media thread, which is new information. UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*


Episode 3 - 31 October 2022

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 3: Baby A​

In this episode, Liz and Caroline continue their examination of the trial, which is focusing on each baby in turn. They look at what the prosecution say happened to Baby A – the first alleged victim. A premature twin boy, he died 24 hours after his birth in June 2015. We’ll also hear about a rash found on some of the alleged victims and hear text messages Lucy Letby sent to colleagues after Baby A’s death.

The Trial of Lucy Letby, Episode 3: Baby A

www.mailplus.co.uk

Snippets from podcast (my transcript):

“LL also told detectives that she knew Baby A and his twin sister Baby B were much wanted babies and his parents had waited a long time for them. The interviewing officer then asked “who told you that?” and she replied “it was known through the nursing handover we had”. She was then asked if that sort of information would change the way she would deal with parents, and she said “no, I would like to think we treat all the parents the same, but you bear in mind what they’ve gone through to get to this point”.”

------

LL's text (Whatsapp) exchange with colleague Jennifer Jones-Key on Saturday 13th June 2015, during LL's night-shift - the night-shift when Baby C collapsed shortly after 11pm and died after midnight. The conversation starts at 9.48pm and concludes at about 11pm -

9:48pm –

JJ-K: "You ok? x"

LL: "I just keep thinking about Monday. Feel like I need to be in 1 to overcome it, but [nursing colleague] said no x"

JJ-K: "I agree with her, don't think it will help. You need a break from full-on ICU, you have to let it go or it will eat you up."

LL: "Not the vented baby necessarily, I just feel I need to be in 1, to get the image out of my head. To be in 3 is eating me up. All I can see is him in 1. It probably sounds odd but it's how I feel x"

JJ-K: “It sounds very odd and I’d be complete opposite.

LL: “Well that’s how I feel. I don’t expect people to understand but I know how I feel and how I have dealt with it before. I voiced that so can’t do any more, but people should respect that.”

JJ-K: “I think they do respect it but also trying to help you.”
JJ-K: “Why don’t you go in 1 for a bit?”

LL: "Yeah, I have done a couple of meds in 1. I’ll be fine"

LL: "Forget I said anything, I will be fine, it's part of the job but just don't feel like there is much team spirit tonight x"

JJ-K: "I am not going to forget but think you're way too hard on yourself."


The text message conversation, on Whatsapp, concludes at about 11pm.
Child C collapsed 20 minutes later.


Times of text conversation and additional text come from Chester Standard's live updates -
this post - UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

---

[Not in podcast] - Texts between LL and the same colleague Jennifer Jones-Key on the morning of 14th June 2015 after Baby C had died and LL had finished her night-shift -

LL: "Sorry if I was off, just wasn’t a great start to the shift but sadly it got worse."

JJ-K: "You weren't off, you just were not happy and there is nothing I could say that was going to make it any better."

LL: "I was struggling to accept what happened to [Child A], now we’ve lost [Child C] as well and it's all a bit much."

JJ-K: "It will be but it does happen to these babies unfortunately. "It's a very sad part of our job."
The colleague recalls a baby who had previously died in the neonatal unit, but had "overwhelming sepsis" so "nothing would have saved that baby".

LL: "[C] is the little 800g baby. He went off very suddenly. I know it happens but it's so sad and cruel."… “I just keep seeing them both. No one should have to see and do the things we do. It’s heartbreaking.”

JJ-K: "Hoping you are going to ok, this is not like you. Sending the biggest hugs."

LL: "It's heartbreaking but it's not about me."

JJ-K: "Chin up chuck we will get through it together."

LL: "It's not about me or anyone else, it's these poor parents who have to walk away without their baby. It’s so unbelievably sad."


Sources:

Chester Standard - UK - Lucy Letby Trial - Media, Maps & Timeline *NO DISCUSSION*

BBC article - Lucy Letby: Nurse said baby's death was 'all a bit much', trial told

#peopleShouldRespectThat.
Right.
Me me me.