UK - Nurse Lucy Letby Faces 22 Charges - 7 Murder/15 Attempted Murder of Babies #7

[JosieJo]

"At 11am, the TPN, which includes 10% dextrose, was 'off' as the line had "tissued", and it was restarted at noon. That TPN was stopped at 7pm, and replaced with a 15% dextrose infusion, Dr Gibbs tells the court.

[...]

Ben Myers KC, for Letby's defence, explains on this count [for Child F], Dr Gibbs will not be asked any questions on his evidence."

Very interesting. Unchallenged evidence about the same TPN being restarted.

Yes and as the infusion was only stopped for an hour I feel that increases the chances that the same bag was put back up

 

[Tortoise]

Thanks @JosieJo , sorry I thought you were offline.

 

[squish]

This is pretty damning, IMO.

There are several separate incidents in which a witness has seen Lucy Letby standing over the incubator of an inexplicably ailing baby. Or being the only one in the room with an ailing baby.

Babies E, K and I are other examples, also the unknown baby for which Letby told off a nurse for calling for help.

 

[JosieJo]

Thanks @JosieJo , sorry I thought you were offline.

No problem..I'm going to struggle with the afternoon updates

 

[Tortoise]

"Dr Gibbs' notes from 8.30am on August 5 recorded a 'natual increase in heart rate' due to Child F's stress.

The blood glucose reading was '1.7' despite administrations of glucose.

He also had signs of decreased circulation - a sign that he was "stressed, dehydrated, or had an infection".

While the blood sugar levels had risen to the '2's during the night, the latest reading of 1.7 was unusual and "unexpected" as Child F had had glucose administered, but did not seem to be responding.

Dr Gibbs: "At the time we didn't know this was because he had a large dose of insulin inside him"."



Also unchallenged!

 

[Tortoise]

No problem..I'm going to struggle with the afternoon updates

I'll be on and off but I'll do some when I'm around. I think they've stopped for lunch.

 

[Dcflag]

I don’t think the blood results showing intentional insulin administration is contestable. Seems to me that the results are absolutely not open for interpretation and that it’s the only option for the bloods results and symptoms of baby F. Would probably do no good to cross examine dr gibb really.

And in theory, the tpn bag is the only way you could have such prolonged effects (opposed to someone injecting insulin I guess?)

Just to clarify, this is the tpn bag hung up by LL?

 

[Supernovae]

I don’t think the blood results showing intentional insulin administration is contestable. Seems to me that the results are absolutely not open for interpretation and that it’s the only option for the bloods results and symptoms of baby F. Would probably do no good to cross examine dr gibb really.

And in theory, the tpn bag is the only way you could have such prolonged effects (opposed to someone injecting insulin I guess?)

Just to clarify, this is the tpn bag hung up by LL?

I think she co-signed for it, at least. I don't remember whether it was conclusively established that she hung it up.

 

[Tortoise]

I don’t think the blood results showing intentional insulin administration is contestable. Seems to me that the results are absolutely not open for interpretation and that it’s the only option for the bloods results and symptoms of baby F. Would probably do no good to cross examine dr gibb really.

And in theory, the tpn bag is the only way you could have such prolonged effects (opposed to someone injecting insulin I guess?)

Just to clarify, this is the tpn bag hung up by LL?

That's what her barrister said in his opening speech, which isn't evidence, but sounds like an admission.

 

[Dcflag]

That's what her barrister said in his opening speech, which isn't evidence, but sounds like an admission.

That in itself must be a smoking gun? When combined with every other charge in the case this has to be very significant. There’s scope for the bag to be tainted prior to use or by someone else sure, but given every other charge.. it’s some weighty evidence.

 

[Tortoise]

It doesn't seem relevant who hung the bag and pressed start anyway. If insulin from the locked cupboard was put in the bag it might not have been added at the cotside but done behind a cupboard door. IMO

 

[JosieJo]

It doesn't seem relevant who hung the bag and pressed start anyway. If insulin from the locked cupboard was put in the bag it might not have been added at the cotside but done behind a cupboard door. IMO

I agree more likely injected into the bag in the treatment room as both insulin and tpn in the fridge.

It's also possible it was injected at any point even after it was started as there would likely be an injection port on the bag

 

[Tortoise]

"Interestingly, at the end of this part of the interview she asked whether the police had access to the TPN bag that she had connected," Mr Johnson added."

Actually this sounds like an admission too, if she said it like that.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

There are several separate incidents in which a witness has seen Lucy Letby standing over the incubator of an inexplicably ailing baby. Or being the only one in the room with an ailing baby.

Babies E, K and I are other examples, also the unknown baby for which Letby told off a nurse for calling for help.

This may well be true but I imagine being one of the most reliable and experienced staff nurses in a chronically understaffed hospital, the chances of her being there are remarkably higher than average in usual circumstances.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

"Interestingly, at the end of this part of the interview she asked whether the police had access to the TPN bag that she had connected," Mr Johnson added."

Actually this sounds like an admission too, if she said it like that.

Or maybe she was wonder what is happening and wanting answers?
*I mean to say, suspicious as to why babies are taking a downturn herself.

 

[JosieJo]

This may well be true but I imagine being one of the most reliable and experienced staff nurses in a chronically understaffed hospital, the chances of her being there are remarkably higher than average in usual circumstances.

From what we have heard so far there have been plenty of band 6 nurses on duty ...quite a few have given evidence.

No one on the stand so far has said staffing levels were that bad.

Plus her working rota that was presented didn't seem over and above any normal full time nurse

 

[Tortoise]

Another quote from prosecution opening -

There were between 25-30 nurses and 15-20 nursery unit nurses in that part of the hospital, working day/night shifts. More would work on the day than the night shifts, typically.

Parents tended to visit their sick children during the day, Mr Johnson added.

Many of the events occurred "during the night shifts".

When Letby was moved to the day shifts, the rate of collapses "shifted to the day shift pattern".

Recap: Prosecution opens trial of Lucy Letby accused of Countess of Chester Hospital baby murders

 

[Tortoise]

Or maybe she was wonder what is happening and wanting answers?
*I mean to say, suspicious as to why babies are taking a downturn herself.

That quote was to say it seems she admitted she hung the bag, which was what was being questioned here.

 

[Tortoise]

1:55pm

The trial will resume shortly following its lunch break.

1:58pm

Members of the jury are now coming into court.
The next witness to give evidence is a nurse who cannot be named due to reporting restrictions. She has previously given evidence in the trial, and is now giving evidence in the case of Child F.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, November 24

 

[Tortoise]

2:01pm

The nurse confirms she had some involvement in the care of Child F, but was not the designated nurse.
She confirms she administered an infusion of glucose to Child F on August 5 at 8.30am.
She says it would have been a bolus of glucose given as a "push" response to low blood sugar.

LIVE: Lucy Letby trial, Thursday, November 24