UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 8 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 5 hung re attempted #38

[JosieJo]

Well, we hope they were being constantly monitored!

They were , all the observation charts were shown at trial

 

[Sweeper2000]

Letby colleague's TV revelation as picture shows her at pal's wedding

Letby was in fact devastated by the accusations against her, according to Karen Rees, former head of urgent care nursing at the Countess of Chester Hospital where she worked.

www.dailymail.co.uk

ive never seen a smile so completed by envy. it says "you shouldnt have invited me dawn". dawn should be happy she was in prison when having hers i think.

 

[sapphire blue]

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Letby colleague's TV revelation as picture shows her at pal's wedding

Letby was in fact devastated by the accusations against her, according to Karen Rees, former head of urgent care nursing at the Countess of Chester Hospital where she worked.

www.dailymail.co.uk

ive never seen a smile so completed by envy. it says "you shouldnt have invited me dawn". dawn should be happy she was in prison when having hers i think.

I see someone who is on anti depressants that dull the emotions who is happy for her friend. Envy has a very different more malignant look from what I’ve seen.

 

[Dotta]

And I see ... wistfulness?

 

[JosieJo]

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Letby colleague's TV revelation as picture shows her at pal's wedding

Letby was in fact devastated by the accusations against her, according to Karen Rees, former head of urgent care nursing at the Countess of Chester Hospital where she worked.

www.dailymail.co.uk

ive never seen a smile so completed by envy. it says "you shouldnt have invited me dawn". dawn should be happy she was in prison when having hers i think.

This article makes my blood boil ..it's full of people such as Rees , Modi and close friends..who it would suit down to the ground if she was innocent

Then you have this ..

"It also provides a devastating counter to prosecution claims that babies on the unit were poisoned with insulin.

Many on the prosecution side viewed this as the nearest they had to a 'smoking gun' in a trial which lacked any hard evidence.

The 'immuno-assay' test used to make this claim was useless for the purpose, according to Matt Johl, an American expert in chemistry and forensic science.

'That kind of test was never meant to put somebody in prison,' he said. 'You would not strip a gold medal from an international athlete on an immuno-assay test. "

.........Do they not realise that this test alone wouldn't convict . It was just one of a number of factors that made it clear insulin had been administered, such as prolonged low blood sugars that came pretty much out of nowhere that would not normalise despite IV dextrose...to then suddenly right itself....in 2 different babies !!

 

[Sweeper2000]

I see someone who is on anti depressants that dull the emotions who is happy for her friend. Envy has a very different more malignant look from what I’ve seen.

i actually kinda agree. one of the things i noticed about lucy was her propensity for a smile for every occasion and one with charisma. in each and every one of her photos she is normally beaming and displays different characteristics such as this particularly cute smile.



the only one thats way more generic was the one in which she is holding up a baby gown. all in all though it doesn't really say anything and its notable as others have said she was often more spaced out and neutral looking. whats charisma without an inner? thriller without a filler? empty is what it is.

 

[May72031]

Can you imagine being a a guest at the wedding, and you find out you're seated next to her at the table for the after-wedding meal...

Wonder what all the other guests were thinking.

 

[Sweeper2000]

Can you imagine being a a guest at the wedding, and you find out you're seated next to her at the table for the after-wedding meal...

Wonder what all the other guests were thinking.

probably went by her alias "cruella bathory". especially with that hat.

nobody would know anything until afterwards though.

 

[Marantz4250b]

And I see ... wistfulness?

I get sadness, tbh. Just slightly, but I think it's there underneath everything.

Then again, that's a pic taken in a brief moment so might be deceptive. It would be very interesting to see more pics from that wedding.

 

[May72031]

Christopher Snowden has a thread on Cleuci de Oliveira, the "journalist" behind that awful "The Trials of Lucy Letby” account.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952045491321028978

This tweet caught the eye - it perfectly encapsulates how the pro-Letby propaganda narrative propagates itself.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1952045536904655318

 

[katydid23]

Well, we hope they were being constantly monitored!

We KNOW they were being monitored. During the long trial there was plenty of evidence submitted, showing the medical logs and observation notes, detailing the babies vital signs, feedings,, and any symptoms or changes, every hour, 24/7. We saw EVIDENCE that they were closely monitored.

 

[Tortoise]

If you were at work and 15 of the top doctors in their relevant fields with an impressive amount of academic papers to their name all said one thing, and Dr Evans a retired paediatrician and who never even qualified as a neonatologist to begin with said another, who would you trust to make a decision?

Perhaps this is an unanswerable hypothetical question, but it’s bonkers to me how

Except 14 and counting world class experts that outrank Dr Evans the way Lionel Messi outranks me at football disagree. The same Dr Evans who made a complete -up in even trying to understand AE, let alone diagnose it in these cases.

Letby’s name will go down in history as the current iteration of the Birmingham Six. No one credible is left who believes in her guilt. No one has taken up Dr Hammond’s offer to rebut these experts findings and you better believe if such experts existed they would feel duty bound to come forward and set the record straight.

That 14 doctors disagreed with Dr Evans is one way of looking at it, but it's a biased and misleading interpretation of what Lee's report actually said.

What is conveniently ignored is that where there was disagreement between two doctors on any case a third panellist was able to veto one of those opinions to reach a consensus opinion on the one they agreed with.

I'll also note Dr Lee is a panel member, and had a biased aim to start with by stating his disagreement with the trial experts and thus convening the panel, and the reports never stated how many cases this methodology was applied to or which doctors put their names to which case reports.

It looks like a fix to me. IMO

 

[crespo29]

Lucy Letby: Beyond Reasonable Doubt? review – one of the most meticulous documentaries in years

The science and statistics around Letby’s case are brilliantly unpacked by this considered programme. By its end, you are filled with questions

www.theguardian.com

 

[Marantz4250b]

Lucy Letby: Beyond Reasonable Doubt? review – one of the most meticulous documentaries in years

The science and statistics around Letby’s case are brilliantly unpacked by this considered programme. By its end, you are filled with questions

www.theguardian.com

Why was there a spike in mortality rates around the time Letby arrived? It is argued that she arrived at a time when the hospital was suddenly required to take in much sicker babies than it had before, babies it was hardly equipped to cope with.

I haven't seen the documentary but if this is its standard I doubt I'll bother!

There wasn't a "spike in mortality rates around the time she arrived". She'd been there four or five years prior to the period of her offences.

Perhaps it's just a error by the article writer but if true if a documentary maker can't even get a very basic fact of the case correct then it doesn't say a lot as to everything else in it!

 

[WaneLyrical]

Why was there a spike in mortality rates around the time Letby arrived? It is argued that she arrived at a time when the hospital was suddenly required to take in much sicker babies than it had before, babies it was hardly equipped to cope with.

I haven't seen the documentary but if this is its standard I doubt I'll bother!

There wasn't a "spike in mortality rates around the time she arrived". She'd been there four or five years prior to the period of her offences.

Perhaps it's just a error by the article writer but if true if a documentary maker can't even get a very basic fact of the case correct then it doesn't say a lot as to everything else in it!

I thought the deaths coincided with her doing an intensive care course and gaining access to the highest risk babies.

 

[marynnu]

I thought the deaths coincided with her doing an intensive care course and gaining access to the highest risk babies.

Well, that would rather support the likelihood of her doing harm, wouldn't it?

 

[WaneLyrical]

Well, that would rather support the likelihood of her doing harm, wouldn't it?

I would suggest it supports a higher likelihood of her being there when an intensive care baby deteriorates

 

[marynnu]

I would suggest it supports a higher likelihood of her being there when an intensive care baby deteriorates

Apart from Baby K, did any of the babies need intensive care? She's likely to have looked after similar babies prior to her course. You don't suddenly start doing high dependency nursing once you do the course but not before.

 

[WaneLyrical]

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Apart from Baby K, did any of the babies need intensive care? She's likely to have looked after similar babies prior to her course. You don't suddenly start doing high dependency nursing once you do the course but not before.

I’m confused. Is or is it not important that she did the additional course?

 

[marynnu]

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I’m confused. Is or is it not important that she did the additional course?

It is, because you get a more in-depth knowledge of neonatal care and a lot more ICU experience which is particularly important if you work on a Level 1 or 2 unit. But it's only part of the picture. You also need to get ongoing hands-on practice in the workplace. A good example of this is the relatively new nurse Sophie Ellis who was given a tiny but stable baby to care for under supervision. This is what happens so that by the time they do the course nurses have plenty of practical experience, so they can concentrate on the more advanced stuff.