GUILTY UK - Olivia, 4, twins Ben & Max Clarence, 3, smothered, London, 22 April 2014

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Natalie Powell ‏@NatalieDPowell 29 secs29 seconds ago

Judge says there was a history of psychiatric illness in #TaniaClarence


Natalie Powell ‏@NatalieDPowell 35 secs35 seconds ago

Sorry that should read 'in #TaniaClarence 's family'
 
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Natalie Powell ‏@NatalieDPowell 3 mins3 minutes ago

Judge now going through the chronology of discovery of SMA illnesses in children #TaniaClarence @eNCAnews
 
  • #103
Natalie Powell ‏@NatalieDPowell 2 mins2 minutes ago

Prosecution accepts the Clarence children were happy and well looked after says Justice Sweeney #TaniaClarence @eNCAnews
 
  • #104
Natalie Powell ‏@NatalieDPowell 29 secs30 seconds ago

#TaniaClarence dedicated her life to the care of her children - wanted as normal a family life as possible for them, says judge @eNCAnews
 
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Natalie Powell ‏@NatalieDPowell 30 secs30 seconds ago

Judge says there was a conflict between the Clarences and medical interventions. #TaniaClarence needed persuading on medical treatment
 
  • #106
Jane Peel ‏@JanePeelNews

Mr Justice Sweeney says he must decide whether to impose a determinate prison term or a hospital order
 
  • #107
Ah, he's thinking of a determinate sentence. So my guess was nearly right, except I had an 'in' in front of my determinate. :(
 
  • #108
Warren Nettleford ‏@wnettleford 2 mins2 minutes ago

"Tania Clarence suffered remarkably high levels of physical and emotional stress in the care of her disabled children"
 
  • #109
Warren Nettleford ‏@wnettleford 55 secs56 seconds ago

"This is not a mercy killing,Tania Clarence did not seek to justify the killing for this reason.The outcome was a product of mental illness"
 
  • #110
That's interesting. The judge has definitively said it's not a mercy killing and Tania didn't seek to present it as such, unlike the view taken by many members of media and public.
 
  • #111
Natalie Powell ‏@NatalieDPowell 3 mins3 minutes ago

Judge concludes, #TaniaClarence culpability is low and depressive mental illness is strong
 
  • #112
Jane Peel ‏@JanePeelNews 1 min1 minute ago

Tania Clarence sentenced to a hospital order under section 37 of the Mental Health Act.
 
  • #113
Warren Nettleford ‏@wnettleford 2 mins2 minutes ago

Mr Justice Sweeney has imposed a hospital order on Tania Clarence, and her release will not be considered until she recovers.

Me: (So surely that's an indeterminate sentence?)
 
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Natalie Powell ‏@NatalieDPowell 1 min1 minute ago

Waiting for statement by #TaniaClarence 's solicitor outside court, due in about 15 minutes time after Judge gives hospital order @eNCAnews
 
  • #116
Tom Swarbrick ‏@TomsonSwarb 3 mins3 minutes ago

Tania Clarence's solicitor about to read a statement outside court. @LBC
 
  • #117
This section looks at section 37/41 of the Mental Health Act. It looks at the professionals you might come across, when this section is used, how it is carried out, what your rights are and how you can be discharged from hospital.

The Mental Health Act is the law which can be used to admit you to hospital for assessment and/or treatment for a mental illness.
To be detained or ‘sectioned’, you must have a mental disorder which needs assessment or treatment.

You must need assessment or treatment in hospital in the interests of your own health or safety or to protect other people.

The criminal courts can use section 37 if they think you should be in hospital instead of prison. Section 41 is a restriction order. The crown court can add this order to a section 37 if they have concerns about public safety and your level of risk.

You can appeal to the courts if you do not agree with this sentence. There are strict timescales if you want to do this, so it is a good idea to get legal advice from a solicitor.

You can appeal to the Hospital Managers and the Mental Health Review Tribunal (MHRT). However, the Secretary of State for Justice (the Ministry of Justice) decides when you can leave.

The hospital can treat you without your permission.

When you are discharged, you are entitled to free aftercare services under section 117 of the Mental Health Act. This can include things such as supported housing

http://www.rethink.org/living-with-...ion-37-41-hospital-order-given-by-crown-court
 
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  • #119
"Police said she had suffered minor injuries and was taken to hospital but was later discharged and arrested on suspicion of murder."

Minor injuries, huh? I hope those kids fought back. I hope they hurt her. I hope they smashed her into the wall with their wheelchairs. She deserved every ounce of pain and then some.

I have two friends with similar disorders--progressive muscular weakness, different types of muscular dystrophy, with both of them now using wheelchairs and needing daily assistance. They're both graduate students, one in history and the other in psychology. They're happy. Their lives are as fulfilling as anyone else's. Their life expectancies are shorter than the average person's, and yeah, it's a progressive disability--but they're just living their lives, like anybody.

That article's all whining about how they had to make their house wheelchair accessible and how much it cost and what the kids needed... I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Kids take money and kids take time and that's true whether they're disabled or not. If somebody complained about needing to change a baby's diaper or take a kid to school or cook dinner for them, and then killed the children because taking care of them was "such a burden", we'd call them monstrous. But when the child's disabled, oh, hey, they're a saint for even allowing the child to exist at all! Too bad it got so tough, totally understandable that they resorted to murder! Nobody asks whether the child wanted to live. Nobody asks what it was like to know your parents thought so little of your worth that they decided to kill you--the fear, the pain, the betrayal. Oh, no, they just talk about how hard it is to raise a disabled child. Shortened life expectancy is no excuse, either. Say those kids had twenty years to live--does that make it okay to, say, kill a healthy sixty-year-old? No? Then it's not okay to kill children with a disability that'll shorten their lives. If anything, a shorter life makes the time they have that much more precious.

I want to grab that reporter, shake them, and give them a piece of my mind. People who kill children--especially their own, disabled, children--should not be excused like that.

I urge you, and all those who share your opinion, to please read Justice Sweeney's sentencing remarks from today.

Your post makes very, very uncomfortable reading.
 
  • #120
Sorry, I didn't manage to post the sentencing hearing at the time. Here are some extracts:

'A woman who killed three of her children by smothering them has been detained under a hospital order...Mr Justice Sweeney told Clarence she would not be released until she had recuperated from her illness..."...there is a substantial body of evidence that they were happy and well looked after and you were grief-stricken that Olivia, Max and Ben were destined to die early and before you." '

He said there was evidence she had a major depressive illness and the judge also said that decisions of social workers were 'an important factor' in the case. There is a serious case review going on into the SS department's dealings with the family.

Tania's husband has stood by his wife throughout the trial and would continue to do so during her hospital stay her lawyer said.


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30096820
 

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