• #81

"Neighbour tells court he thought
'a one year old shouldn't cry that much',
Michael Nuttall also lived next door.
He said Jay was quieter than John.

He noticed Preston cried a lot at the house.
He thought a one year old shouldn’t cry that much
but he thought it was teething problems and
he didn’t want to be an interfering neighbour.

He said the crying was ‘high pitched’.
He heard John going upstairs and using a raised voice,
saying ‘come on now’."

BBM
Sara Sharif case déjà vu
:(
 
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  • #82

"Neighbour tells court he thought
'a one year old shouldn't cry that much',
Michael Nuttall also lived next door.
He said Jay was quieter than John.

He noticed Preston cried a lot at the house.
He thought a one year old shouldn’t cry that much
but he thought it was teething problems and
he didn’t want to be an interfering neighbour.

He said the crying was ‘high pitched’.
He heard John going upstairs and using a raised voice,
saying ‘come on now’."

BBM
Sara Sharif case déjà vu
:(
And also Leiland James Cordell, although (thankfully) he wasn’t SA’d.
 
  • #83
Audio of the 999 call where Varley can be heard telling McGowan to 'put it down' has been released.

Some chat logs of messages between Varley and a friend have also been released.
 
  • #84
My opinions only-- One text claimed that the foster parents didn't mention sleep difficulties, but that seems hard to believe.

He wrote Preston screamed a lot, but with the abuse and lack of patience, Preston was probably in pain often.

OT -- but I have known babies that needed special very expensive formula because they were sensitive to any milk-based or soy-based formulas. I wonder if Preston also had something like that, or something else health-wise that caused him discomfort and kept him from sleeping for very long.
 
  • #85
My opinions only-- One text claimed that the foster parents didn't mention sleep difficulties, but that seems hard to believe.

He wrote Preston screamed a lot, but with the abuse and lack of patience, Preston was probably in pain often.

OT -- but I have known babies that needed special very expensive formula because they were sensitive to any milk-based or soy-based formulas. I wonder if Preston also had something like that, or something else health-wise that caused him discomfort and kept him from sleeping for very long.

He had allergy to milk.
Also
the poor child had 40!!! injuries on and inside his tiny body.

40!!!

As was reported.
 
  • #86
  • #87
Dbm
 
  • #88
He had allergy to milk.
Also
the poor child had 40!!! injuries on and inside his tiny body.

40!!!

As was reported.

He must have been in so much pain ☹️
 
  • #89

"The 28-second clip was sent by Varley to his mother, Karen Graham, on April 10
– a week after Preston went to live with him and his boyfriend, John McGowan-Fazakerley, 32.

It was released by police after being shown to the jury on the fourth day of the couple's trial.

Today
jurors were told that arguments, raised voices and an 'unusual amount' of 'high-pitched and distressed' crying
was heard by neighbours who lived next door to the couple, in Blackpool, Lancashire,
in the weeks before his death."

:(

Video in the link
 
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  • #90
Audio of the 999 call where Varley can be heard telling McGowan to 'put it down' has been released.

Some chat logs of messages between Varley and a friend have also been released.
Very rare for courts to release any evidence whilst trial is live
 
  • #91
If the media is reporting it then it is fair comment, SJ means under the judge, or under judgement, good old Latin, which is supposed to not prejudice a jury pre trial, and during trial, but the courts have realised that the media will be reporting so they try to ensure that they are responsible in what and how they report on a case, it is a free for all IMO, the media has hung drawn and quartered many. a defendant before the opening remarks, but they will slap a journalist or publication down if they feel they have gone too far

The judge lets the media know if any evidence, witness etc still lies with the SJ principles and they won't be allowed to report it
 
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  • #92
Quite a few posts removed for violating sub judice or discussing sub judice.

A reminder / explanation of sub judice was posted earlier in this thread:


In the above linked post, please click on the post or make sure to scroll on down to see the full post. (Not sure why the software cuts off the quoted post. I always have more to say than it thinks I do.)

I will also add that it isn't only expressions regarding guilt ... it also includes expressions of innocence. Anything that has the potential to influence the trier of fact (judge or jury) is sub judice (which is contempt of court).

So now that I've scared the daylights out of you all ;) ... please carry on with the above in mind.

Thanks !!
 

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