UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

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[otto]

I have half wondered if she was hoping William would somehow be the one to deal with it. I don't think Andrew would have gotten off nearly so lightly if William had been handling it. MOO

I think the Prince of Wales did handle it. He lives at the Windsor Estate with his family. He doesn't want Andrew, his ex-wife and their shady associates anywhere near his family. I think that's the reason that Andrew is moving to Sandringham rather than Adelaide Cottage or Frogmore Cottage ... as was suggested earlier this week as suitable accommodations for Sarah and Andrew.

Andrew and Sarah lying about their association with Epstein and stating that they want to retain that friendship, even though they knew he was a pedophile, is a big problem.

If the backlash against Andrew really is because of Epstein, we should recognize that he's the easy target. Why don't people move on to the not-so-easy targets, like Clinton and Trump? Is this about Epstein, or is this only about Andrew?

 

[Izzylizzy]

'Why Sarah Ferguson, Beatrice and Eugenie can't escape the taint of family scandal'​

snip

'And while there has been some sympathy for the princesses, they also haven't been able to completely avoid the scandals around their parents.

Earlier this week, a picture resurfaced showing Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Harvey Weinstein at Beatrice's 18th birthday party in Windsor.

The Telegraph also reported a leaked email from Epstein to his UK-based lawyer that suggested Ms Ferguson and the princesses visited Epstein in New York after he was released from prison in 2009.

A source close to Ms Ferguson insisted that neither she nor her daughters had any recollection of such a visit, according to the newspaper.'

Andrew: Why Sarah Ferguson, Beatrice and Eugenie can't escape the taint of family scandal

The scandal engulfing Andrew is of his own making but has had a profound impact on his immediate family.

www.bbc.com

Prince Andrew hosted Epstein, Maxwell and Weinstein at Royal Lodge - BBC News

The trio were at Andrew's mansion in 2006 as part of his daughter Beatrice's 18th birthday celebrations.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Izzylizzy]

The security "policeman" part sure gives Epstein's claim credence that SF did visit his NYC residence.
Who's the policeman?
imo

"[Sarah] took apartments in New York. She was the first to celebrate my release with her two daughters in tow. She visited me with [a] policeman sitting at my front desk. She has asked for help with her charities," he reportedly wrote in the emails'.

Epstein Claimed in Emails Sarah Ferguson Celebrated His Prison Release with Daughters Beatrice and Eugenie: Report

A new report claims 2011 emails show that Jeffrey Epstein said that Sarah Ferguson brought Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie to visit him after he was released from prison.

people.com

 

[otto]

'Why Sarah Ferguson, Beatrice and Eugenie can't escape the taint of family scandal'​

snip

'And while there has been some sympathy for the princesses, they also haven't been able to completely avoid the scandals around their parents.

Earlier this week, a picture resurfaced showing Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Harvey Weinstein at Beatrice's 18th birthday party in Windsor.

The Telegraph also reported a leaked email from Epstein to his UK-based lawyer that suggested Ms Ferguson and the princesses visited Epstein in New York after he was released from prison in 2009.

A source close to Ms Ferguson insisted that neither she nor her daughters had any recollection of such a visit, according to the newspaper.'

Andrew: Why Sarah Ferguson, Beatrice and Eugenie can't escape the taint of family scandal

The scandal engulfing Andrew is of his own making but has had a profound impact on his immediate family.

www.bbc.com

Prince Andrew hosted Epstein, Maxwell and Weinstein at Royal Lodge - BBC News

The trio were at Andrew's mansion in 2006 as part of his daughter Beatrice's 18th birthday celebrations.

www.bbc.co.uk

Andrew's daughters were born in 1988 and 1990, so both were adults in 2009. They weren't children who couldn't read the newspaper. They were adults presumably raised to be responsible royal princesses. They are responsible for their actions.

There's also this - shady financial dealing that involve Sarah, Andrew and Eugenie ... just a few years ago. Andrew's daughters have profited through Andrew and Sarah's shady dealings so no, they can't escape it now.

"Prince Andrew was paid tens of thousands of pounds by a British businessman linked to a wealth management company which ripped off pension savers.
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As well as the payments he made himself, Mr Gleave's company was also used to funnel significant sums to Prince Andrew and his ex-wife Sarah.

Ms Ferguson was paid £50,000 by Alphabet Capital in February 2020. It has previously been reported that she was paid £20,000 by Alphabet for a role advising the company and that she also received more than £200,000 to cover work she had done as a brand ambassador for a US solar energy company.

Prince Andrew was separately given £750,000 directly by Ms Isbilen, money which he has repaid.

Another £10,000 was paid from Alphabet Capital to the couple's daughter, Eugenie. This, along with a £15,000 payment from Ms Isbilen's business adviser has previously been described by Eugenie as a gift from a "long-standing family friend" which she said was to pay for a surprise birthday party for her mother, Sarah."

Prince Andrew took money from firm linked to ripped-off pensioners

The King's brother was paid thousands by a businessman linked to a wealth management firm which ripped off pension savers.

www.bbc.com

 

[otto]

The security "policeman" part sure gives Epstein's claim credence that SF did visit his NYC residence.
Who's the policeman?
imo

"[Sarah] took apartments in New York. She was the first to celebrate my release with her two daughters in tow. She visited me with [a] policeman sitting at my front desk. She has asked for help with her charities," he reportedly wrote in the emails'.

Epstein Claimed in Emails Sarah Ferguson Celebrated His Prison Release with Daughters Beatrice and Eugenie: Report

A new report claims 2011 emails show that Jeffrey Epstein said that Sarah Ferguson brought Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie to visit him after he was released from prison.

people.com

That's where Andrew and Sarah got it wrong. They thought they could keep their friendship with Epstein and he would continue to give them money. They thought that no one would ever discover their continued friendship. Andrew and Sarah wanted money and they didn't care what they had to do to get it.

 

[otto]

For all we know, some teen girls or young adults may have known about Epstein's relationship with Andrew, Sarah, and their adult daughters. That may have given some of Epstein's victims confidence that they were safe with Epstein.

Epstein gave Andrew and Sarah money, but Andrew, Sarah and their daughters gave Epstein credibility.

 

[ErinC]

I think the Prince of Wales did handle it. He lives at the Windsor Estate with his family. He doesn't want Andrew, his ex-wife and their shady associates anywhere near his family. I think that's the reason that Andrew is moving to Sandringham rather than Adelaide Cottage or Frogmore Cottage ... as was suggested earlier this week as suitable accommodations for Sarah and Andrew.

Andrew and Sarah lying about their association with Epstein and stating that they want to retain that friendship, even though they knew he was a pedophile, is a big problem.

If the backlash against Andrew really is because of Epstein, we should recognize that he's the easy target. Why don't people move on to the not-so-easy targets, like Clinton and Trump? Is this about Epstein, or is this only about Andrew?

I too suspected that the PoW did handle it. To be honest, I can't imagine that KCIII would have had the gumption to do so on his own. MOO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Did Sarah actually think she was doing a public service advocating for mental help?

The gal still can't read the room.
imo

'You are not alone': Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, reveals she 'spent time' at Swiss mental health facility​

'Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, has shared a major health update with her followers on social media and opened up about “spending time” in a mental health facility.'

https://www.skynews.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity-life/you-are-not-alone-sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-reveals-she-spent-time-at-swiss-mental-health-facility/news-story/fa30ef33e2c0ad20d956fcf0b473a783

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[Izzylizzy]

I'm so pleased that SF got the word out that she's all for mental health and recovery.
imo



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[Izzylizzy]

I think the Prince of Wales did handle it. He lives at the Windsor Estate with his family. He doesn't want Andrew, his ex-wife and their shady associates anywhere near his family. I think that's the reason that Andrew is moving to Sandringham rather than Adelaide Cottage or Frogmore Cottage ... as was suggested earlier this week as suitable accommodations for Sarah and Andrew.

Andrew and Sarah lying about their association with Epstein and stating that they want to retain that friendship, even though they knew he was a pedophile, is a big problem.

If the backlash against Andrew really is because of Epstein, we should recognize that he's the easy target. Why don't people move on to the not-so-easy targets, like Clinton and Trump? Is this about Epstein, or is this only about Andrew?

BBM:
I can definitely see that especially after what Kate, him and the children just went through with her health and thankfully she recovered.
It was a very smart move keeping the toxic duo far, far away from them all .
imo

 

[otto]

Did Sarah actually think she was doing a public service advocating for mental help?

The gal still can't read the room.
imo

'You are not alone': Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, reveals she 'spent time' at Swiss mental health facility​

'Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, has shared a major health update with her followers on social media and opened up about “spending time” in a mental health facility.'

https://www.skynews.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity-life/you-are-not-alone-sarah-ferguson-duchess-of-york-reveals-she-spent-time-at-swiss-mental-health-facility/news-story/fa30ef33e2c0ad20d956fcf0b473a783

Online I converted the francs into pounds and wow.
I can't figure out if 95000 is for 1 week or 4 weeks?


95,000 Swiss Franc equals

89,779.75 Pound sterling

"Four Week Residential Treatment Programme"
95000 CHF/WEEK

Residential Rehab Prices - Paracelsus Recovery

Explore prices and fees for our fully bespoke treatment programmes, designed to provide you with the space, team and support needed to recover.

paracelsus-recovery.com

Not only did Sarah Ferguson experience skin cancer and breast cancer, but she had a mental health crisis, she sold her $4M Mayfair home, she lost access to a 30 room mansion at the Windsor Estate, she lost the charity patron-income and wow - I wonder how that compares with other 66-year-old women who are not affiliated with the Royal Family. Does Sarah stand out, or is it not that uncommon for women in their 60s to experience cancer, loss of income, downsizing and to then need mental health help (if they can afford it) to adjust. I hope we don't hear any more from Sarah, and that she follows Andrew into silence and a quiet retirement.

 

[JDG]

Not only did Sarah Ferguson experience skin cancer and breast cancer, but she had a mental health crisis, she sold her $4M Mayfair home, she lost access to a 30 room mansion at the Windsor Estate, she lost the charity patron-income and wow - I wonder how that compares with other 66-year-old women who are not affiliated with the Royal Family. Does Sarah stand out, or is it not that uncommon for women in their 60s to experience cancer, loss of income, downsizing and to then need mental health help (if they can afford it) to adjust. I hope we don't hear any more from Sarah, and that she follows Andrew into silence and a quiet retirement.

My two cents on this…. MOO, IMO

It’s fairly common for disaster to strike older women.

Breast cancer is common in your 7th and 8th decades, as are all other forms of cancer.

Husbands die so incomes drop and women have to rearrange their living arrangements.

Of course, not on the same level of luxury as SF but life changes are very common at her age.

Most people, unless they have great insurance, cannot afford much in the way of therapy.

The reality for most? You grow accustomed to the new circumstances and/ or learn to cope.

Gotta watch the baseball. lol

All IMO, MOO

 

[otto]

BBM:
I can definitely see that especially after what Kate, him and the children just went through with her health and thankfully she recovered.
It was a very smart move keeping the toxic duo far, far away from them all .
imo

The Prince of Wales needs to protect his family from people that Andrew invites into his life. William has three young children, and Catherine is recovering from cancer. She appears strong and healthy for now.

We know that Andrew and Sarah are always looking for a handout and that they will invite shady characters like Epstein, Maxwell to pose for photos on the throne if that results in a pocket full of pennies. Andrew and Sarah don't care about consequences for anyone when it involves money for them.

Evicting Andrew and Sarah from the Windsor estate is the only way to ensure that they will never bother William and Catherine's children.

"The Prince and Princess of Wales have moved into their new “forever” home, making them temporarily closer neighbours with the disgraced Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.

The couple and their three children relocated from Adelaide Cottage over half term and are now settling into their new abode, Forest Lodge, where they plan to remain after William becomes King. For a short time, they will be close neighbours of the former Duke of York, whose Royal Lodge mansion is just a two-mile hop across Windsor Great Park. Prince William did not attend the meetings last week as Buckingham Palace finally moved to strip his uncle of his titles and force him out of his grand home on the Crown Estate. But his closest aides were kept abreast of developments and William “fully supported” the King’s decision.
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The Waleses were also said to be concerned about the Windsor estate being tainted by association with the former prince. Having decided to make Forest Lodge their long-term family home, it suits the couple to be geographically distanced from Andrew and his ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, who will move out in January."

Prince and Princess of Wales become closer neighbours with Andrew

Royal couple move to new ‘forever’ home just two miles from their disgraced relative, The Telegraph can reveal

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Tealgrove]

I don’t have any sympathy for either of them quite frankly.

Fergie has been living beyond her means for a very long time.

Andrew has been abusing his “position” for even longer.

It always blew my mind that after divorcing, and all the scandal and drama there, they ended up living in the same home, paying no rent and living their “special” lives.

You reap what you sow.

What goes around comes around.

Eventually, all those chickens come home to roost.

Andrew and Fergie are finally in it.

MOO

 

[otto]

Virginia Giuffre did not have an easy life. As a child, she was abused by a family friend. Then she lived on the streets. It's evident that the money she received from Andrew and Epstein made no difference in providing a calm quiet life. In June, two months after she died, she was facing a possible 2 year sentence after breaching a family violence restraining order in February.

Giuffre admitted that she falsified her age at times, and that she was mistaken in identifying some men that she accused.

"Giuffre said Maxwell hired her as a masseuse for Epstein, but the couple effectively made her a sexual servant, pressuring her into gratifying not only Epstein but his friends and associates. Giuffre said she was flown around the world for assignations with men including Prince Andrew while she was 17 and 18.

The men denied it and assailed Giuffre’s credibility. She acknowledged changing some key details of her account, including the age at which she first met Epstein.
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She also filed, and in at least some cases settled, lawsuits against Epstein and others connected to him. In one case, she dropped her claims against a prominent U.S. attorney, saying she might have erred in identifying him as one of the men to whom Epstein supplied her.
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Giuffre, born Virginia Roberts, told interviewers that her childhood was shattered when she was sexually abused as a grade-schooler by a man her family knew. She later ran away from home and endured more abuse, she said.
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Giuffre separated from her husband and children this year. She had been charged with breaching a family violence restraining order over an incident in February, and was set to appear in court in June in the city of Perth, where her estranged husband and children live.

She had yet to enter a plea to the charge. A conviction would have carried a potential maximum sentence of two years in prison."

Virginia Giuffre, plaintiff in Epstein and Prince Andrew sex trafficking case, dies at 41

The American-born Giuffre, who lived in Australia for years, became an advocate for sex trafficking survivors after emerging as a central figure in Epstein's prolonged downfall.

www.pbs.org

 

[RichardKimble]

Clinton should be in prison if he committed a crime, but no charges are filed. Same with Andrew. No charges. Same with everyone who coerced teenage girls and young women to be victims of Epstein. No charges. In the US, if one person drives another person to a location to commit a crime, both are guilty of the crime ... except when it involves ushering a child to be criminally exploited. Then, only the pedophile is guilty. The accomplice, except Maxwell, is given a pass.

I think it's important to clarify why Andrew has been exiled by, and from, his family. Andrew and Sarah declared publicly that they terminated all association with Epstein. That was never true. Shortly afterward, they contacted Epstein to confirm that their friendship with him was unchanged. This information was first exposed in January of this year, and compounded last month with new information about Sarah.

Lying about their association with Epstein places everything Andrew and Sarah said about Epstein in question, which is specifically important for a member of the Royal Family. The Royal Family is held to a higher standard.

This is a nice opportunity for anti-monarchists to surface and argue against the importance of the Royal Family in upholding family values, culture and tradition. Andrew was dishonest, therefore the entire family should be removed ... old money should be dispersed to the masses ... like the French and Russian revolutions. I think that goes too far.

I suggest leaving old money alone, and be thankful that the UK is not an autocracy. Imagine that someone accused of benefiting through association with Epstein became leader of the United Kingdom to form a one party autocracy! That's worth fighting ... but not a disgraced man who lied about his association with a pedophile.

America kicked out the red coats with good reason,France and Russia saw sense, there is no place imo in the ever changing world for such grace and favour just because your born to a bloodline,This is not politics of envy I admire the likes of Richard Branson who started poor and made something of his life.


Charlie never pressured Andrew to give it up because it was the right thing to do he was pressured by the reputation of disgrace to the royal name, he would still be in the household if it could have been buried.

 

[JDG]

America kicked out the red coats with good reason,France and Russia saw sense, there is no place imo in the ever changing world for such grace and favour just because your born to a bloodline,This is not politics of envy I admire the likes of Richard Branson who started poor and made something of his life.


Charlie never pressured Andrew to give it up because it was the right thing to do he was pressured by the reputation of disgrace to the royal name, he would still be in the household if it could have been buried.

Only time will tell but I suspect there’s a lot more to come out in the rest of the emails.

Also from whatever auditing has been allowed.

IMO all of the royal accounts should be gone over with a fine tooth comb.

Let’s know what we don’t know and make ‘suggestions’ based on fact.

 

[JDG]

Charlie’s time is limited by his poor health but it seems almost criminal to hide this information from the public so they can keep all of the money trees for the next generations.

If it’s a huge scam, shine a light on it ajd deal with it. IMO, MOO

 

[sds71]

Andrew Mountbatten Windsor arranged a private tour of Buckingham Palace while the late Queen was in residence, for businessmen from a cryptocurrency mining firm which agreed to pay his ex-wife up to £1.4m, the BBC can reveal.

Jay Bloom and his colleague Michael Evers were driven through the palace gates in the former prince's own car after being collected from their five-star Knightsbridge hotel for the visit in June 2019.

Their company, Pegasus Group Holdings, which Mr Bloom co-founded, employed Sarah Ferguson as a "brand ambassador" for a crypto-mining scheme which would lose investors millions when it failed less than a year later.

Mr Evers told the BBC they then met the Queen, although Mr Bloom disputed this.

Andrew fixed palace visit for firm with £1.4m deal with ex-wife

A company paying Sarah Ferguson was given a private tour of Buckingham Palace while the late Queen was in residence, BBC can reveal.

www.bbc.com