UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

[JDG]

Miss Gruenbaum told The Sun: ‘I don’t want to sit by and not speak out about the way he was towards me as he calls Virginia delusional.’

Finally, another woman stepping up! Such a privileged little man who thought he was so entitled imo.

When your Mother is the Queen of England, you are very entitled.

He has been raised to believe he is very special; being the favourite child has not helped either I’d imagine.

 

[UK Girl]

And, as a freelance masseuse she gets her name & picture in the paper.

Good publicity for her. More income perhaps?

She only, allegedly, saw PA six times over a few weeks.

Not vetted by the palace, so no records of her visits. Handy that!

The Sun pays very well for things like that. The story is doing the rounds tonight...some slightly different to each other and a couple of things that dont make sense. If she was freelance why go back after the first time even?

 

[UK Girl]

So, if VG was a young runaway, where were the Child Protection officials??

Going back to her father at 14 means she was very young and should have been under care of the state.

Was she in foster care? With family members? Roaming the streets??

She lived with her dad when she went to work at Mar Lago. She was apparently reading whilst there and Maxwell went up to her etc

 

[Forest_Wood]

And, as a freelance masseuse she gets her name & picture in the paper.

Good publicity for her. More income perhaps?

She only, allegedly, saw PA six times over a few weeks.

Not vetted by the palace, so no records of her visits. Handy that!

Not the kind of publicity that any business person would want imo.

 

[UK Girl]

Not the kind of publicity that any business person would want imo.

well..she obviously did want the publicity or she wouldnt have gone to the paper. Not sure if the publicity would be good or bad for her tbh

 

[Dotta]

Another one (2019)

Female masseuse reveals how Prince Andrew's nude massage sparked security breach | Daily Mail Online

 

[JDG]

Not the kind of publicity that any business person would want imo.

You know what they say, there’s no such thing as bad publicity.

Why wouldn’t she want to attract more customers? Money, money, money.

 

[JDG]

Just a comment about massages in general.

Are you not normally wearing only a towel during a massage??

 

[Forest_Wood]

well..she obviously did want the publicity or she wouldnt have gone to the paper. Not sure if the publicity would be good or bad for her tbh

IMO she wanted to bring to light the real kind of person he is. That’s what’s obvious to me. Turning it into being about wanting publicity is just another way for some to minimize and detract from how this man of privilege and wealth treats women.

 

[JDG]

IMO she wanted to bring to light the real kind of person he is. That’s what’s obvious to me. Turning it into being about wanting publicity is just another way for some to minimize and detract from how this man of privilege and wealth treats women.

There are two questions here in this trial.

Did PA believe/know that VG was trafficked and being held against her will?

Did PA believe that VG was the age of consent and whatever transpired was consensual?

That’s what he is on trial about, nothing else.

His behaviour, rudeness, immature jokes and vulgarity do not add nor detract from the ONLY two questions.

 

[UK Girl]

IMO she wanted to bring to light the real kind of person he is. That’s what’s obvious to me. Turning it into being about wanting publicity is just another way for some to minimize and detract from how this man of privilege and wealth treats women.

Perhaps and perhaps not. The Sun is a gossip rag and one that isnt taken seriously. In fact most people wont buy it due to the famous lies its told.

 

[UK Girl]

By the way her comments about he only wore a towel for a massage isnt that normal?

 

[rosesfromangels]

By the way her comments about he only wore a towel for a massage isnt that normal?

Yes

 

[Dotta]

It sounds like "flashing".
The therapist clearly said he didn't bother with a towel leaving a shower (in the above link I sent).
She felt uncomfortable and embarrassed.

 

[UK Girl]

There are two questions here in this trial.

Did PA believe/know that VG was trafficked and being held against her will?

Did PA believe that VG was the age of consent and whatever transpired was consensual?

That’s what he is on trial about, nothing else.

His behaviour, rudeness, immature jokes and vulgarity do not add nor detract from the ONLY two questions.

It sounds like "flashing".
The therapist clearly said he didn't bother with a towel leaving a shower (in the above link I sent).
She felt uncomfortable and embarrassed.

that was allegedly another one i thought?

 

[Forest_Wood]

There are two questions here in this trial.

Did PA believe/know that VG was trafficked and being held against her will?

Did PA believe that VG was the age of consent and whatever transpired was consensual?

That’s what he is on trial about, nothing else.

His behaviour, rudeness, immature jokes and vulgarity do not add nor detract from the ONLY two questions.

Being held against her will … where does that come into play with being a trafficking victim? I wonder how he concluded a 17 year old girl travelling internationally with a couple of wealthy people was normal.

A person who’s being trafficked does not have the capacity to consent.

Andrew’s behaviour, rudeness, immature jokes (as you put it — at the age of 40-50?) and vulgarity all stand for his character, which will be assessed imo.

The impact of her experiences with Andrew on her emotional/mental health is paramount to this case.

 

[Forest_Wood]

It sounds like "flashing".
The therapist clearly said he didn't bother with a towel leaving a shower (in the above link I sent).
She felt uncomfortable and embarrassed.

Imagine the gall of him to do that! His alleged actions are such an embarrassment to every nation still under the realm of the royal family imo.

 

[Dotta]

Ghislaine Maxwell told masseuse 'I am going to introduce you to someone more famous than God' | Daily Mail Online

DM updated it from 2019

 

[UK Girl]

Being held against her will … where does that come into play with being a trafficking victim? I wonder how he concluded a 17 year old girl travelling internationally with a couple of wealthy people was normal.

A person who’s being trafficked does not have the capacity to consent.

Andrew’s behaviour, rudeness, immature jokes (as you put it — at the age of 40-50?) and vulgarity all stand for his character, which will be assessed imo.

The impact of her experiences with Andrew on her emotional/mental health is paramount to this case.

why wouldnt he think it was normal for a younger girl to travel internationally wasnt normal? most people he knows are rich and all ages mix together.

One issue for me or two even. What she said to Carolynn kinda contradicts other things she has said OR was that to lure her into that world? Secondly she said she took her clothes off one by one which he liked and went over to him...IF they cant prove he knew she was trafficked surely he could argue he thought was interested in him? there are other issues for me...for me the biggest issue which isnt helping him is its obvious he is lieing to some extent...and i am basing on my opinion on facts not gossip articles.

 

[Dotta]

New York Post

Prince Andrew was obsessed with anal sex: physical therapist