UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

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It seems rather odd that VG appears now to have lost the photograph.

But actually I don't think this photo really helps either side.

I don't think the photo actually proves a lot for VG's case, other than their having met. It's no smoking gun, is it? It doesn't prove they slept together; and in some ways it could harm her in the eyes of a jury that she doesn't look distressed or coerced in the photo. What is bad for Andrew is that he has denied ever *meeting* her, and there they are together.

I must say, if it was faked, you'd think it would be a bit more damning. So I'm inclined to say it's real, but inconclusive.
 
  • #342
Ellmau said:
It seems rather odd that VG appears now to have lost the photograph.

But actually I don't think this photo really helps either side.

I don't think the photo actually proves a lot for VG's case, other than their having met. It's no smoking gun, is it? It doesn't prove they slept together; and in some ways it could harm her in the eyes of a jury that she doesn't look distressed or coerced in the photo. What is bad for Andrew is that he has denied ever *meeting* her, and there they are together.



I must say, if it was faked, you'd think it would be a bit more damning. So I'm inclined to say it's real, but inconclusive.
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I agree with everything you said :)
 
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Welp this is why I would have kept very very quiet about this and had someone put it in a safety deposit box for me.

People who are "under the influence" of a cult or powerful individual can often look not in distress but that doesn't mean that they're acting of their own free will.

I hope that there are more explicit photos that Epstein took but Maxwell probably destroyed those if she was able.

One other way to prove things is if Virginia was able to confirm something about Prince Andrew that could only be seen without clothes, although that information could also have leaked seeing how he's been a playboy most of his life.
 
  • #345
Laura456 said:
Welp this is why I would have kept very very quiet about this and had someone put it in a safety deposit box for me.

People who are "under the influence" of a cult or powerful individual can often look not in distress but that doesn't mean that they're acting of their own free will.

I hope that there are more explicit photos that Epstein took but Maxwell probably destroyed those if she was able.

One other way to prove things is if Virginia was able to confirm something about Prince Andrew that could only be seen without clothes, although that information could also have leaked seeing how he's been a playboy most of his life.
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The issue about that though is her friend who testified in the Maxwell trial said VG called her and was really excited about being with Andrew which kinda confuses things. Another thing I would say is she apparently gave massages so....its possible ( not necessarily my opinion) that she could have seen something whilst massaging him.

So from the article she has gotten 160 000 from having that photo.

What I would say about the playboy title you said he had most of the life...to be fair he was when he was younger but I wouldnt say he has been so much since he originally met SF.
 
  • #346
UK Girl said:
The issue about that though is her friend who testified in the Maxwell trial said VG called her and was really excited about being with Andrew which kinda confuses things. Another thing I would say is she apparently gave massages so....its possible ( not necessarily my opinion) that she could have seen something whilst massaging him.

So from the article she has gotten 160 000 from having that photo.

What I would say about the playboy title you said he had most of the life...to be fair he was when he was younger but I wouldnt say he has been so much since he originally met SF.
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Even if she felt excited and "happy" about being with Andrew at the time, she had been groomed as a young person by people with power over her who were able to manipulate her (sounds like her dad was ok with his daughter being sold, too uggh).

That means she could not freely make an informed decision in that situation, so it shouldn't matter if she called crying and upset or excited and happy at the time.
 
  • #347
Laura456 said:
Even if she felt excited and "happy" about being with Andrew at the time, she had been groomed as a young person by people with power over her who were able to manipulate her (sounds like her dad was ok with his daughter being sold, too uggh).

That means she could not freely make an informed decision in that situation, so it shouldn't matter if she called crying and upset or excited and happy at the time.
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Her dad totally confused me to be honest saying that she had had a good childhood. What doesnt he class as a good childhood?
 
  • #348
Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre reach a settlement:

Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew have reached an out of court settlement. The parties will file a stipulated dismissal upon Ms. Giuffre’s receipt of the settlement (the sum of which is not being disclosed). Prince Andrew intends to make a substantial donation to Ms. Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights. Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms. Giuffre’s character, and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks. It is known that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked countless young girls over many years. Prince Andrew regrets his association with Epstein, and commends the bravery of Ms. Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others. He pledges to demonstrate his regret for his association with Epstein by supporting the fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and by supporting its victims

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713.78.1_1.pdf

#78 in Giuffre v. Prince Andrew (S.D.N.Y., 1:21-cv-06702) – CourtListener.com
 

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sds71 said:
Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre reach a settlement:

Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew have reached an out of court settlement. The parties will file a stipulated dismissal upon Ms. Giuffre’s receipt of the settlement (the sum of which is not being disclosed). Prince Andrew intends to make a substantial donation to Ms. Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights. Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms. Giuffre’s character, and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks. It is known that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked countless young girls over many years. Prince Andrew regrets his association with Epstein, and commends the bravery of Ms. Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others. He pledges to demonstrate his regret for his association with Epstein by supporting the fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and by supporting its victims

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713.78.1_1.pdf

#78 in Giuffre v. Prince Andrew (S.D.N.Y., 1:21-cv-06702) – CourtListener.com
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WOW!
 
  • #350
So much for VR not accepting a settlement to make her point etc.

ETA I didn’t mean this to sound so scathing, but it always seems to come down to money.
 
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@Skigh we posted at the same time!
 
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Well that is disappointing..
 
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HongKongPhooey said:
So much for VR not accepting a settlement to make her point etc.

ETA I didn’t mean this to sound so scathing, but it always seems to come down to money.
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Yet, it's all going to her "charity". Interesting setup, isn't it?
 
  • #358
Interesting. Glad to see the settlement goes to charity in support of trafficking victims.

Is that the end of it? Doesn’t sound like there’ll be much more info released to the public now.
 
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CoverMeCagney said:
Interesting. Glad to see the settlement goes to charity in support of trafficking victims.

Is that the end of it? Doesn’t sound like there’ll be much more info released to the public now.
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I think there are charities, then there are "charities".

There is a lot of abuse in private foundation charities. Model Naomi Campbell was heavily criticized for spending $1.2 million on a charity bash for her foundation, that netted about $225,000. The $1.2 million was, of course, deductible as a charity expense.

It would be wonderful if VG did fully use this to help fight the terrible scourge of sex trafficking.
 
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I’m not convinced it’s all going to charity, unless I missed something (quite possible with my tired head today).

It said he “intends” to make a donation. If it was a legal obligation, it wouldn’t be an intention. If that makes any sense at all. My guess is she got hers and he’s making an additional charity payment.

Would love to be proved wrong if anyone can jump in.
 
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