UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

[sds71]

FBI?
How many years have they been asking him to testify?

Jan. 27, 2020


Two months ago, Britain’s Prince Andrew issued a public statement saying he would be willing to help American law enforcement officials with their investigation into allegations of sex-trafficking by Jeffrey Epstein and his associates.

F.B.I. agents and federal prosecutors in New York took him at his word. They reached out to his lawyers and asked to interview him.

There was no response at all, according to three people familiar with the investigation.

On Monday, in a rare move, the United States attorney in Manhattan publicly called out the prince for breaking his commitment.

“To date, Prince Andrew has provided zero cooperation,” the prosecutor, Geoffrey S. Berman, said in response to a question at a news conference outside Mr. Epstein’s Upper East Side mansion.

Mr. Berman said his office does not typically comment on cooperation in an ongoing investigation, but he felt it was “fair” for the public to know that Prince Andrew had failed to live up to his own promise.

Prince Andrew Offers ‘Zero Cooperation’ in Epstein Case, Prosecutor Says (Published 2020)

 

[Dotta]

Jan. 27, 2020


Two months ago, Britain’s Prince Andrew issued a public statement saying he would be willing to help American law enforcement officials with their investigation into allegations of sex-trafficking by Jeffrey Epstein and his associates.

F.B.I. agents and federal prosecutors in New York took him at his word. They reached out to his lawyers and asked to interview him.

There was no response at all, according to three people familiar with the investigation.

On Monday, in a rare move, the United States attorney in Manhattan publicly called out the prince for breaking his commitment.

“To date, Prince Andrew has provided zero cooperation,” the prosecutor, Geoffrey S. Berman, said in response to a question at a news conference outside Mr. Epstein’s Upper East Side mansion.

Mr. Berman said his office does not typically comment on cooperation in an ongoing investigation, but he felt it was “fair” for the public to know that Prince Andrew had failed to live up to his own promise.

Prince Andrew Offers ‘Zero Cooperation’ in Epstein Case, Prosecutor Says (Published 2020)

I understand.
But what can they do if he stays in the UK?
He obviously is not willing to talk to them.
They have been asking him for many years to no avail.

Let's be realistic - he is a member of Royal Family.

 

[sds71]

I understand.
But what can they do if he stays in the UK?robr
He obviously is not willing to talk to them.
They have been asking him for many years with no avail.

They can’t do anything.
Probably why Berman said something about it.

 

[Dotta]

They can’t do anything.
Probably why Berman said something about it.

The curtain has come down.

The audience can go home.

The show has finished.
With fanfare!

 

[CoverMeCagney]

The Telegraph says he will not be interviewed by the FBI.

The Mirror says he should be.

The Mail says that Epstein’s lawyer (who, presumably tried to get Epstein off his charges) called Andrew a hypocrite. Which is imo hypocritical.

So basically we don’t know whether the FBI still want to speak to him or not.

PS I’ve chosen up to date examples there, published in the last hour or so. No point focussing on stuff from months or years ago.

 

[JDG]

I aso think so.
Talk about Jubilee is just a smokescreen to save his face.

Interrogation under oath would be the end of him.

VG might not have had a walk in the park under oath either.

Do you have proof that it ‘would be the end of him’?

There is zero proof, she doesn’t have the photo, remember?

She certainly settled quickly, given that her lawyer said she wouldn’t and that i5 wasn’t about money.

 

[Dotta]

VG might not have had a walk in the park under oath either.

Do you have proof that it ‘would be the end of him’?

There is zero proof, she doesn’t have the photo, remember?

She certainly settled quickly, given that her lawyer said she wouldn’t and that i5 wasn’t about money.

A proof?
Hmmm...
What about his stubborn rejection of FBI numerous polite requests?

I would happily oblige - but then, Im squeaky clean, law abiding citizen, and I love to converse with intelligent men (easy on the eye either).

Please, dont ask me about other proofs.
I am a commoner from another country, with no connections to Royalty.

It is a forum and I just voice my opinions.

 

[JDG]

There is a thing known as ‘right to remain silent’.

The FBI can ask but he does not have to oblige, no one has to speak to the police, FBI etc.

Like I said, it would not have been a walk in the park for VG either. I hope she finds peace.

IMO, MOO

 

[escape2sc]

From post # 567
"There is zero proof, she doesn’t have the photo, remember?"

The photo only proved they met. The photo first showed up in the media in 2011 - eleven years ago. If there wasn't an actual photo why didn't Maxwell make public statements saying there was no photo ? Maxwell was issuing a lot of statements to the media prior to settling the defamation case with Virginia and Andrew was a close friend of Maxwell's, surely if there had not been a photo Maxwell would have came to Andrew's defense and shut down that story line a long time ago. If there was never a photo, I would think the FBI or Virginia's former attorneys or the NY prosecutor would have shut down the photo angle a long time ago - surely they all didn't take her word for it ?

I think Virginia stating she can't find the photo right before a settlement was announced is part of the settlement agreement - plain and simple.

Besides the photo only proves they met. The flight records place Andrew on the same flight as Virginia. The Court Circular shows Andrew very near the locations where Epstein's plane landed or departed from. There are numerous pictures of Epstein and Maxwell at royal properties and at parties hosted by Andrew. Andrew visiting Epstein after Epstein's conviction. Then there is Andrew's own words in his disastrous interview and offering to help authorities in their investigations but failing to do so .

The photo only proves they met - it is the records and other photos that were more damaging to Andrew.

 

[JDG]

From post # 567
"There is zero proof, she doesn’t have the photo, remember?"

The photo only proved they met. The photo first showed up in the media in 2011 - eleven years ago. If there wasn't an actual photo why didn't Maxwell make public statements saying there was no photo ? Maxwell was issuing a lot of statements to the media prior to settling the defamation case with Virginia and Andrew was a close friend of Maxwell's, surely if there had not been a photo Maxwell would have came to Andrew's defense and shut down that story line a long time ago. If there was never a photo, I would think the FBI or Virginia's former attorneys or the NY prosecutor would have shut down the photo angle a long time ago - surely they all didn't take her word for it ?

I think Virginia stating she can't find the photo right before a settlement was announced is part of the settlement agreement - plain and simple.

Besides the photo only proves they met. The flight records place Andrew on the same flight as Virginia. The Court Circular shows Andrew very near the locations where Epstein's plane landed or departed from. There are numerous pictures of Epstein and Maxwell at royal properties and at parties hosted by Andrew. Andrew visiting Epstein after Epstein's conviction. Then there is Andrew's own words in his disastrous interview and offering to help authorities in their investigations but failing to do so .

The photo only proves they met - it is the records and other photos that were more damaging to Andrew.

No one is saying PA did not know/ was not in the presence of Epstein, Maxwell and others.

it is known that he, along with other rich/powerful men were on the plane, either together or at separate flights.

all of what you posted is true and known.

NONE of these things are proof that PA sexually assaulted VG.

As for the photo, it’s not proof either but it’s interesting that when told to produce the original, she stated she did not have it and settled immediately.

 

[JDG]

Bottom line is, the case was settled out of court without admission of guilt on the part of PA and that VG was satisfied with that outcome.

We are not privy to the other details and I’d now like to know that PA will be retiring out of the spotlight and that VG can find peace.

 

[mickey2942]

"He said, she said". Who has more credibility? INMO, PA had a lot of credibility issues.

 

[UK Girl]

"He said, she said". Who has more credibility? INMO, PA had a lot of credibility issues.

imo there were issues both sides but ...considering the most important thing was meant to been getting Andrew in to the court room and facing up to what he did ...that simply did not happen.

 

[UK Girl]

I think this is THE END of this drama.
VG got what she wanted:
- his total humiliation
- his apology
- vast sum of Compensation money
- publicity and money for her Charity.

FBI?
How many years have they been asking him to testify?

to be honest though did she? It had been said the number one thing she wanted was admittance that he had done what she accused him of and that that was more important than money etc and...that was the one thing that she did not get.

 

[Dotta]

to be honest though did she? It had been said the number one thing she wanted was admittance that he had done what she accused him of and that that was more important than money etc and...that was the one thing that she did not get.

What one wants and what one gets are 2 different things.

Dreams cost nothing after all.

 

[Spartygirl]

Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre reach a settlement:

Virginia Giuffre and Prince Andrew have reached an out of court settlement. The parties will file a stipulated dismissal upon Ms. Giuffre’s receipt of the settlement (the sum of which is not being disclosed). Prince Andrew intends to make a substantial donation to Ms. Giuffre’s charity in support of victims’ rights. Prince Andrew has never intended to malign Ms. Giuffre’s character, and he accepts that she has suffered both as an established victim of abuse and as a result of unfair public attacks. It is known that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked countless young girls over many years. Prince Andrew regrets his association with Epstein, and commends the bravery of Ms. Giuffre and other survivors in standing up for themselves and others. He pledges to demonstrate his regret for his association with Epstein by supporting the fight against the evils of sex trafficking, and by supporting its victims

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713.78.1_1.pdf

#78 in Giuffre v. Prince Andrew (S.D.N.Y., 1:21-cv-06702) – CourtListener.com

Hmmm... WOW.

 

[SouthAussie]

There is a thing known as ‘right to remain silent’.

The FBI can ask but he does not have to oblige, no one has to speak to the police, FBI etc.

Like I said, it would not have been a walk in the park for VG either. I hope she finds peace.

IMO, MOO

Which is why it is a good idea to not have a sworn deposition in the files. imo

Deposition statements might be the only legal record, should he decline to answer LE questions.

(Not that I think it matters now, it is pretty much a moot point as I doubt the matter will be pursued any further. Maxwell is in prison for 65 years, Epstein is dead, PA has settled ..... )

 

[mickey2942]

Which is why it is a good idea to not have a sworn deposition in the files. imo

Deposition statements might be the only legal record, should he decline to answer LE questions.

(Not that I think it matters now, it is pretty much a moot point as I doubt the matter will be pursued any further. Maxwell is in prison for 65 years, Epstein is dead, PA has settled ..... )

Excellent point. The information in a deposition was what ended up getting Bill Cosby convicted on rape charges. That conviction was appealed and eventually overturned. However, if PA had made a deposition, whatever he stated could have potentially been used in subsequent court cases.

 

[tedtink]

Point is he settled without demanding that the photo be produced and analysed, after denying he'd never met her.
Go figure......

 

[UK Girl]

Point is he settled without demanding that the photo be produced and analysed, after denying he'd never met her.
Go figure......

Likewise she settled without any demanding he admitted to what she alleged he had done which was meant to be the main issue for her...they both settled when you wouldnt have expected them to.