UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

[Bluebear15]

The issue with the British royal family is that they often seem to view their "royal duties" as an obligation, rather than living as regular people with real jobs and only occasionally making official appearances. They could take a cue from other European royals who lead more normal lives while still fulfilling their ceremonial roles. The Dutch are very good at this. It's also somewhat misguided for kings, queens, and heirs to expect siblings to devote their entire lives to duties they never chose, and not provide them them with a trust fund to help support their personal lives. Unfortunately, British aristocrats are not bound by European laws that require families to equally provide for their children when there is wealth to be shared.

Working royals are provided with a wage... being a royal IS their job.

 

[UK Girl]

Working royals are provided with a wage... being a royal IS their job.

Anne would be retired in a normal world but realistically how could she or William or Kate really have normal jobs even?

 

[JDG]

The issue with the British royal family is that they often seem to view their "royal duties" as an obligation, rather than living as regular people with real jobs and only occasionally making official appearances. They could take a cue from other European royals who lead more normal lives while still fulfilling their ceremonial roles. The Dutch are very good at this. It's also somewhat misguided for kings, queens, and heirs to expect siblings to devote their entire lives to duties they never chose, and not provide them them with a trust fund to help support their personal lives. Unfortunately, British aristocrats are not bound by European laws that require families to equally provide for their children when there is wealth to be shared.

I believe ALL members of the royal family do have trust funds plus some are given a wage.

They have numerous trusts, from when ancestors leave them something in a will or money is gifted to them.

The lineage of the British Royal Family is 1,000 yrs old.

They must be doing something right.

There are many books written about how the Royal Family ‘works’.

They can be found in any library.

 

[RookieWebsleuth2024]

I believe ALL members of the royal family do have trust funds plus some are given a wage.

They have numerous trusts, from when ancestors leave them something in a will or money is gifted to them.

The lineage of the British Royal Family is 1,000 yrs old.

They must be doing something right.

There are many books written about how the Royal Family ‘works’.

They can be found in any library.

Is there a reference? Because reputable sources state, for example, that Prince Harry only had a trust because of the unprecedented divorce settlement his mother got, part of which he lost because she had not made the proper arrangements and much of the money went to taxes as a result.

The following website is pretty reputable and accurate when it comes to the net worth of celebrities:

Prince Harry Net Worth

What is Prince Harry's net worth?

www.celebritynetworth.com

There is also information about Harry not receiving inheritance from relatives people expected him to.

Prince Harry Got an 8-Figure Payout from a Royal Trust Fund for His 40th Birthday

Woah.

stylecaster.com

Prince Harry and his new fortune: how might the Duke of Sussex spend his recently inherited millions?

On his 40th birthday, Harry was expected to receive a sum of between £7 and £8 million from a family trust – an amount which could influence his new life in Montecito

www.tatler.com

 

[RookieWebsleuth2024]

Anne would be retired in a normal world but realistically how could she or William or Kate really have normal jobs even?

Just like Princes Constantijn and Friso of the Netherlands and their wives did. All of them also did some serious studies unlike Anne, William, or Kate.

 

[RookieWebsleuth2024]

Working royals are provided with a wage... being a royal IS their job.

True, but they have no independence. And usually everything is provided for them. Maybe some people can live with that, but not everyone.

 

[UK Girl]

Just like Princes Constantijn and Friso of the Netherlands and their wives did. All of them also did some serious studies unlike Anne, William, or Kate.

Excuse me? I am not sure you actually know much about our Royal family. William and Kate at least DID have serious studies! As most know that is how they met!

Also apart from school holidays maybe they are doing engagements most days and when not they as patrons of many many patrons have to deal with paperwork etc.

 

[UK Girl]

True, but they have no independence. And usually everything is provided for them. Maybe some people can live with that, but not everyone.

Ofc they have independence.

 

[sds71]

Rekindled romance for Andrew?

Prince Andrew’s ex sues Star Wars' producers for $421m

Stark's scenes were cut from the film, but she says the company still profited off of her.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[UK Girl]

Rekindled romance for Andrew?

Prince Andrew’s ex sues Star Wars' producers for $421m

Stark's scenes were cut from the film, but she says the company still profited off of her.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Tbh I think he likes Fergie still.

 

[Bluebear15]

Ofc they have independence.

They don't really. Harry and Meghan went for independence and look at the abuse they receive.

 

[UK Girl]

They don't really. Harry and Meghan went for independence and look at the abuse they receive.

They do not get abuse because they went for independence. That was not the issue.

 

[Laura456]

He is a piece of garbage and so is his wife, maybe more so. No good person gives Epstein 9 phone numbers. I don't believe she didn't know. MOO

 

[UK Girl]

Prince Andrew sex abuse accuser claims she's just four days to live after crash

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Prince Andrew sex abuse accuser claims she's just four days to live after crash

Turns out the announcement of her impending death was a mistake. Not quite sure what to make of it tbh.

Virginia Giuffre's admission after claiming she had four days to live

Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre has said she mistakenly posted the claim that she had just four days left to live to her public Instagram.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JDG]

Mistake? Or fabrication?

I’m on the brink of death, hand me my phone?

 

[Kemug]

About that much-discussed photograph of Andrew and Virginia together - people have referred to it as proof that Andrew is a dirty old man, etc. In fact, at the time Andrew was 39 and she was 17. That does not make him a paedophile. As for her saying that he abused her, she was of legal age in England, and how could he possibly know that she "was being forced into it"? She looked remarkably cheerful in that photo, nothing like the poor little victim that she claims to be. I have never met Andrew, and can make no comment about his personality and character. But I am passionate about justice/injustice, and IMO he does not deserve the bad opinion of so many people. Virginia is no doubt a victim, but not of Andrew.

 

[Vern]

Turns out the announcement of her impending death was a mistake. Not quite sure what to make of it tbh.

Virginia Giuffre's admission after claiming she had four days to live

Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre has said she mistakenly posted the claim that she had just four days left to live to her public Instagram.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The truth about this photograph of Virginia Giuffre revealed

The most famous photograph of Virginia Giuffre was taken of her as a 17-year-old girl standing alongside a grinning Prince Andrew in Ghislaine Maxwell's Belgravia mews house.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Epstein victim Virginia Giuffre accused of ‘sick’ lies in claiming ‘small crash’ with school bus almost killed her

Several parents have since dismissed Giuffre’s claims of life-threatening injuries.

nypost.com

Virginia Giuffre Alleges Husband Has Physically Abused Her For Years: 'I Can No Longer Stay Silent' (Exclusive)

Virginia Giuffre Alleges Husband Has Physically Abused Her For Years: 'I Can No Longer Stay Silent' (Exclusive)

people.com

• She recently posted a picture of her bruised face on Instagram saying she had been in a road accident and was told she had four days to live
• Her husband filed a family restraining order against her in February that she has allegedly violated

As controversy swirls about a cryptic instagram message Jeffrey Epstein victim Virginia Guiffre recently posted about her deteriorating health following a car crash in Australia, she is now coming forward with allegations of abuse against her husband of 22 years, Robert Giuffre.

 

[sds71]

Virginia Giuffre, one of the most prominent survivors of Jeffrey Epstein’s sexual abuse, has died by suicide, her family said Friday.

Giuffre, 41, died in Neergabby, Australia, where she had been living for several years.


Giuffre was one of the earliest and loudest voices calling for criminal charges against Epstein and his enablers. Other Epstein abuse survivors later credited her with giving them the courage to speak out.

Virginia Giuffre, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent abuse survivors, dies by suicide

Other Epstein victims credited Giuffre with giving them the courage to speak out.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Legally Bland]

About that much-discussed photograph of Andrew and Virginia together - people have referred to it as proof that Andrew is a dirty old man, etc. In fact, at the time Andrew was 39 and she was 17. That does not make him a paedophile. As for her saying that he abused her, she was of legal age in England, and how could he possibly know that she "was being forced into it"? She looked remarkably cheerful in that photo, nothing like the poor little victim that she claims to be. I have never met Andrew, and can make no comment about his personality and character. But I am passionate about justice/injustice, and IMO he does not deserve the bad opinion of so many people. Virginia is no doubt a victim, but not of Andrew.

In what way is it normal for a middle aged couple to travel thousands of miles with a non-familial 17 year old girl and let her have sex with a 39 year old man? Should it not ring some alarm bells?

There is no legal age which makes consent automatic. Age is important to the context. This is from CPS guidance on consent:

Context is all important to the consideration of freedom and capacity to choose. It is necessary to focus on complainant’s state of mind in the context of all the relevant circumstances. These will include:

• their age, maturity and understanding;

• whether s/he knew or understood the position they were in and what they were being asked to do;

• the history of the relationship between the complainant and suspect;

• position of power over the complainant; and, especially for younger and/or vulnerable victims:

• any earlier provision by the suspect of any gifts, alcohol or drugs;

• promises by the suspect of a more secure or exciting way of life;

• insincere compliments and/or kindness shown by the suspect;

• any other evidence of exploitation or grooming so that s/he may not understand the full significance of what they are doing.

What is Consent? | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk

I fail to see the relevance of VRG smiling in the photo. Was it taken before or after sex? Was VRG a confirmed sex trafficking victim of Epstein and Maxwell? Is it normal to smile in photographs? Do you think E & M's victims could have been told to smile?

It's not just the London, or under the jurisdiction of UK law, where these incidents were alleged to have taken place:

C. Defendant’s Sexual Abuse of Plaintiff [Virginia Giuffre]

36. Prince Andrew abused Plaintiff on separate occasions when she was under the age of 18 years old.

37. On one occasion, Prince Andrew sexually abused Plaintiff in London at Maxwell’s home. During this encounter, Epstein, Maxwell, and Prince Andrew forced Plaintiff, a child, to have sexual intercourse with Prince Andrew against her will.

38. The below photograph depicts Prince Andrew, Plaintiff, and Maxwell at Maxwell’s home prior to Prince Andrew sexually abusing Plaintiff.

39. On another occasion, Prince Andrew sexually abused Plaintiff in Epstein’s New York mansion in this District. During this encounter, Maxwell forced Plaintiff, a child, and another victim to sit on Prince Andrew’s lap as Prince Andrew touched her. During his visit to New York, Prince Andrew forced Plaintiff to engage in sex acts against her will.

40. On another occasion, Prince Andrew sexually abused Plaintiff on Epstein’s private island in the U.S. Virgin Islands, Little St. James.

41. During each of the aforementioned incidents, Plaintiff was compelled by express or implied threats by Epstein, Maxwell, and/or Prince Andrew to engage in sexual acts with Prince Andrew, and feared death or physical injury to herself or another and other repercussions for disobeying Epstein, Maxwell, and Prince Andrew due to their powerful connections, wealth, and authority.

42. During each of the aforementioned incidents, Prince Andrew acted with intent to compel Plaintiff’s submission.

43. Prince Andrew engaged in each of the aforementioned sexual acts with Plaintiff at Epstein and Maxwell’s invitation, knowing that she was a sex-trafficking victim being forced to engage in sexual acts with him.

44. During each of the aforementioned incidents, Plaintiff did not consent to engaging in sexual acts with Prince Andrew.

45. During each of the aforementioned incidents, Prince Andrew knew Plaintiff’s age based on communications from Epstein and Maxwell.

46. During each of the aforementioned incidents, Prince Andrew sexually abused Plaintiff for the purpose of gratifying his sexual desires.

47. During each of the aforementioned incidents, Prince Andrew was acting in his individual, personal capacity, and was not performing any duty relating to his former role as a trade envoy, any duty relating to his role as a member of the Royal Family of the United Kingdom, or any other official or diplomatic duty or function.

48. Defendant’s sexual assault and battery of Plaintiff have caused her, and continue to cause her, significant emotional and psychological distress and harm.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Prince-Phillip-sexual-assault-lawsuit.pdf

Johanna Sjoberg puts VRG and PA together in New York.
Salon owner 'groped by Prince Andrew could hold key to sex abuse case'

Steve Scully puts them together in USVI.
Who is Steve Scully and what evidence does he claim against Prince Andrew?

Epstein's pilot, David Rodgers, has testified they travelled on the same plane, backed up by flight logs.
Jeffrey Epstein pilot’s logs pose questions for Prince Andrew | News | The Times

We don't know what other evidence there is, but it was never just about one photo.

And the main legal jeopardy was always in the US, where they had already passed sex trafficking laws, and where she would most definitely have been treated as a minor.