UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

[seasideForest]

Who the heck is Sarah Margaret Ferguson?!!! Her name is meaningless.
MOO

Maybe she is now meaningless to the UK and the Commonwealth?

 

[seasideForest]

IMO 'prince' Andrew and his ex-wife could get a small abode without household help and live much more modestly, for the sake of the British taxpayers.

Yes. Agree.
There's a huge housing crisis in the UK (as in other countries too), put the money saved there instead maybe.

 

[Snoopster]

It seems like many are enjoying their 15 minutes of fame to declare that Andrew, who has never been charged with a crime, has caused a national crisis equal to the drunk driving death of Lady Diana. I'm not seeing it.

Should Andrew be evicted from his home, exiled to another country (if one would take him)? Should the government remove titles that are already in abeyance? Is Andrew's long known history with Epstein the most important crisis in the UK today?


"I hold no torch for the quondam Duke of York. Best leave that to Fergie. He seems to encapsulate everything our society detests in one podgy lump: boorishness, entitlement, arrogance.

Yet, I hesitate to ask, what exactly is his “crime”? Whatever the truth about what happened between Andrew and the sad, lost Virginia Giuffre, anyone who associated with Jeffrey Epstein is a poor judge of character, but the deceased financier rubbed shoulders with half the Davos set. Should they all suffer opprobrium? Prince Air Miles stuck by Epstein after his first prison sentence. Naive, not criminal. If a friend of mine went to jail, I might stick by them, too.

As Ernest Hemingway might almost have said, the former Falklands “hero” has fallen from grace slowly, then all of a sudden. So it was that, on Friday, the Windsors announced he will stop using all his titles. Still, however, the crowd are baying for more, demanding harsher punishment be meted out on the banned old Duke of York. There are calls for him to be prosecuted for asking the cops for dirt on Ms Giuffre: his muck-raking biographer has discussed the prospect on breakfast TV. There’s the suggestion he be turfed out of Royal Lodge, his home for 21 years. And, perhaps most preposterously, that he – and Sarah Ferguson for good measure – be exiled from his country of birth.

In what Thomas Macaulay would have described as one of Britain’s “periodic fits of morality”, we’ve turned this rather pathetic man into our latest national hate figure, a cross between Fred West and Jimmy Savile."

Oct 21, 2025
The Telegraph

"Make no mistake, this is a moment of peril for the royal family. The crisis of public confidence echoes the national mood after the death of Diana in 1997, that is to say, a dangerous sense that the palace is not only out of touch with the public mood but is failing to properly respond."

Octo 21, 2025

This is a moment of peril for the royal family

Editorial: The furore over Prince Andrew echoes the national mood after the death of Diana in 1997 – and there is a real danger that the palace has not fully appreciated the strength of public feeling

www.independent.co.uk

Regarding your opening sentence implying that Andrew is a national crisis but shouldn't be...Is there a person alive who doesn't believe that Andrew was into "young women"? He settled his suit with Virginia Giuffre. <modsnip> Why do you think the royal family has turned on him. They know who he is. They don't usually shrink from scandals, but in this case they have.
Virginia Giuffre took her own life. Andrew contributed to that.

Just my take.

So, yes, I believe it's just as bad.

ETA: also wanted to add that the British media does fan the flames, as Epstein isn't all about Andrew. It's much worse than just him.

 

[otto]

Regarding your opening sentence implying that Andrew is a national crisis but shouldn't be...Is there a person alive who doesn't believe that Andrew was into "young women"? He settled his suit with Virginia Giuffre. <modsnip> Why do you think the royal family has turned on him. They know who he is. They don't usually shrink from scandals, but in this case they have.
Virginia Giuffre took her own life. Andrew contributed to that.

Just my take.

So, yes, I believe it's just as bad.

ETA: also wanted to add that the British media does fan the flames, as Epstein isn't all about Andrew. It's much worse than just him.

I think it's time that we see a complete, unedited list of Epstein's friends, private planes guests, financial deals, and massage logs. Andrew is at the top of the food chain, but he's not alone at the top. There needs to be an equal reaction with everyone who benefited from association with Epstein.

Learning that palace security officers investigate people who release personal information about royals to media, and that the financial settlement with Giuffre included a non-disclosure clause, doesn't seem all that surprising. Tabloids are suggesting that this is shockingly unusual, but it's not news when the intent behind the story is to cause outrage.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981453518201336177

 

[Warwick7]

Downing Street appears to be blocking a debate on Prince Andrew's finances and future.

Asked five times why the government won't allow time for a debate or vote on his titles, the PM's spokesman said that the "Royal Family would not want to take time from other important issues."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981385527434612769

 

[JDG]

If there is parliamentary pressure put on the Yorks (as they used to be known), it’s like opening Pandoras Box.

Yes, Andrew has caused grief in the Royal Family but this witch hunt seems to be media driven, hoping to bring down the House of Windsor.

After all, most of this stuff is old news. Nothing new at the zoo if you will.

I wonder who is really behind it?

MOO, IMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

Jeffrey Epstein had multiple appointments, phone calls and dinners with Matthew Menchel — the Miami U.S. Attorney’s office chief criminal prosecutor who spearheaded Epstein’s sweetheart deal in 2007, newly released documents show. A tranche of over 8,500 pages of records from Epstein’s estate — released by the House Oversight Committee Friday — show that Epstein’s calendars and emails reflect that Menchel, who left the DOJ in 2008, had multiple meetings or dinners with Epstein in 2011, 2013 and 2017. Lawmakers also referred to a photograph of Menchel on a ski trip with Epstein sometime in the 2000s.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article312545792.html#storylink=cpy

Did you ever read about the lead prosecutor Ann Marie
Villafana?
She was in cahoots with Epstein's big shot lawyers.

imo

DOJ report clearing Epstein's Miami prosecutors called 'total whitewash'

By Noreen Marcus, FloridaBulldog.org - A DOJ report that cleared Jeffrey Epstein's Miami prosecutors called "total whitewash."

www.floridabulldog.org

 

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[mickey2942]

Whatever PA and his side chick, SF have done, it really should not have any impact on their daughters.

It is interesting to watch the Royal Family fall apart. Not unlike my own family. Once Grandma died, we never really got all together again. We all grew up, holidays together, aunts, uncles, cousins. And then, our Grandmother, was like the "glue" that kept us together. Not unlike the Queen.

I don't see Camilla being the "glue" in this family. Nor Princess Anne.

Out with the old, in with the new.

 

[Aegon_the_Conqueror]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1981453518201336177

But he keeps his 30 room house. "Symbolic" is pretty accurate.

 

[JDG]

But he keeps his 30 room house. "Symbolic" is pretty accurate.

His lease will be up in approx. 50 years.

He paid the peppercorn rent at the beginning, when he refurbed the place.

That’s how the leases work, peppercorn rent is about £1 per annum.

Most of the lesser royals live at Kensington Palace in grace and favour apartments/homes for FREE.

Also many of the members of the family have FREE apartments at St. James Palace.

Not unusual at all in the RF.

IMO, MOO

 

[Telltale]

But he keeps his 30 room house. "Symbolic" is pretty accurate.

I wouldn't say that. Well not exactly.

Andrews entire identity and sense of self-worth has been about being a working prince and senior royal for most of his life. He was (pre-Meghan) Harry. The cooler well liked spare with enough freedom to go become a 'war hero' get into some fun celebrity scandals and then pop home to enjoy the trappings of extreme privilege and prestige while carrying a fraction of the 'responsibility' to keep it all going. His star waned over the years buf he could have skated into an entitled semi-retirement of social irrelevance if not for Virginia.

Titles and honours and coats of arms are kind of silly, but they matter a massive deal to him. Plus, Charles is doing more than just taking a few titles off him this time. Nah Andrew getting fully and publically excommunicated, Christmas and all. Which is bad enough when you've pissed off grandma. When it's the King, it's a bit like getting excommunicated from English society (well the circles he runs in at least.)

The long grueling humiliation he has suffered as each layer of privilege, prestige, social status has been publically stripped from him is about the worst thing you could do to him. I genuinely think he'd sit a few years inside as a Prince if he came out to the positions he held in 2021.

 

[JDG]

Prince Andrew has not had his titles stripped away.

He has simply agreed to not use them as has Sarah Ferguson.

His coat of arms, in the Garter hall has been taken down because he is no longer using/participating in the Knights of the Garter.

As for Christmas, he won’t be missed as the family parade to church but I bet he is at the family dinner & luncheon. Also bet he and SF use the side door and are not photographed.

The fact that he is brother to the King, brother and uncle to others, I really doubt he will be cold shouldered. There is fraternity after all & the King will be very aware that Andrew knows ALL the family secrets. Best he hold him close.

IMO, MOO

 

[CatsnChickens]

Prince Andrew took money from firm linked to ripped-off pensioners

The King's brother was paid thousands by a businessman linked to a wealth management firm which ripped off pension savers.

www.bbc.co.uk

The more that goes on I can see a self imposed exile coming soon just to get away from it all.

 

[Aegon_the_Conqueror]

I wouldn't say that. Well not exactly.

Andrews entire identity and sense of self-worth has been about being a working prince and senior royal for most of his life. He was (pre-Meghan) Harry. The cooler well liked spare with enough freedom to go become a 'war hero' get into some fun celebrity scandals and then pop home to enjoy the trappings of extreme privilege and prestige while carrying a fraction of the 'responsibility' to keep it all going. His star waned over the years buf he could have skated into an entitled semi-retirement of social irrelevance if not for Virginia.

Titles and honours and coats of arms are kind of silly, but they matter a massive deal to him. Plus, Charles is doing more than just taking a few titles off him this time. Nah Andrew getting fully and publically excommunicated, Christmas and all. Which is bad enough when you've pissed off grandma. When it's the King, it's a bit like getting excommunicated from English society (well the circles he runs in at least.)

The long grueling humiliation he has suffered as each layer of privilege, prestige, social status has been publically stripped from him is about the worst thing you could do to him. I genuinely think he'd sit a few years inside as a Prince if he came out to the positions he held in 2021.

They could always go medieval. Re-open the Tower of London.

 

[JDG]

Prince Andrew 'in talks to leave Royal Lodge', report claims

Buckingham Palace is said to be piling pressure on the former Duke of York as the controversy surrounding him and his property in Windsor shows no sign of abating.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JDG]

OT,

I’m thinking Royal Lodge is wanted by Prince William and Kate for Carol and Michael Middleton once he ascends the throne.

What better than a free, guarded, 30 room home in the middle of Windsor Great Park?

IMO, MOO

 

[elliefant]

His lease will be up in approx. 50 years.

He paid the peppercorn rent at the beginning, when he refurbed the place.

That’s how the leases work, peppercorn rent is about £1 per annum.

Most of the lesser royals live at Kensington Palace in grace and favour apartments/homes for FREE.

Also many of the members of the family have FREE apartments at St. James Palace.

Not unusual at all in the RF.

IMO, MOO

They (other Royals, in KP etc) live there rent free in exchange for undertaking royal duties in the public. Most royals who live there do not undertake those duties, so they pay rent.

 

[JDG]

They (other Royals, in KP etc) live there rent free in exchange for undertaking royal duties in the public. Most royals who live there do not undertake those duties, so they pay rent.

The grace and favour homes are rent free, gifted by the Monarch to family or loyal servants etc.

There are other properties on royal estates that are rented out either for peppercorn rent or up to market value.

IMO, MOO