UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999 - 2002

[UK Girl]

Boies is representing VRG pro bono.

For Boies, Giuffre’s case, which he has taken pro bono, is a chance to rewrite the last chapter of his career “He wants to preserve that reputation for posterity, long after he is gone.” Says Stephen Gillers, a professor at New York University

https://twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1436676076235800581
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Maybe the main reason is as simple as VRG wants some kind of justice in the absence of a criminal prosecution. Maybe she thinks it could lead to one less vulnerable young person being exploited. Maybe she once felt powerless and is now at a stage in her life where she feels stronger. TBH, if her claims are proven I don't care if she's doing it purely for money.

Its weird she has Weinsteins lawyer. I didnt realise that thank you.

 

[Cool Cats]

Virginia Giuffre: Prince Andrew accuser seeks evidence he could not sweat

Lawyers for a US woman who has accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault are seeking proof of the British royal's alleged inability to sweat.

Virginia Giuffre's legal team made the request as part of a civil case against the prince in a New York court.

Ms Giuffre, 38, alleges that Prince Andrew sexually assaulted her when she was a teenager at the homes of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.

Prince Andrew has consistently denied the allegations.

In a 2019 interview with BBC Newsnight, he said a "problem" with her account was that a medical condition at the time meant he could not have been sweating, as she claims he was.

A civil case filed in the US alleges that the prince sexually abused Ms Giuffre - then known as Virginia Roberts - at Maxwell's London home, and at Epstein's homes in Manhattan and Little St James in the Virgin Islands.

The motion filed by Ms Giuffre's lawyers calls on Prince Andrew to supply "all documents concerning your alleged medical condition of anhidrosis, hypohidrosis, or your inability to sweat".

Prince Andrew's lawyers said he objected to the request "on the grounds that it is harassing and seeks confidential and private information and documents that are irrelevant, immaterial and not reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence".

They added that Prince Andrew had no such documents in his possession to hand over.

The motion also includes requests for details of Prince Andrew's trips on Epstein's planes, and communication he had with Epstein and Maxwell.

In a separate development, a request by Prince Andrew's lawyers to pause the proceedings against him has been turned down by a US judge.

His lawyers had wanted Ms Giuffre to take part in a two-hour deposition to discuss her country of residence.

Ms Giuffre has been living in Western Australia and Prince Andrew's lawyers had argued that this may disqualify her from filing a lawsuit in a US court. The judge rejected the demand.

 

[Cool Cats]

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre could give victim impact statement at Ghislaine Maxwell sentencing

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre

“At the sentencing, I anticipate that there will be a lot of testimony from many, many other women who were not able to be heard at the trial, who will come forward and bring information about their suffering at the hands of Ghislaine Maxwell,” Mrs McCawley said.

“I believe this will be considered by the court before Judge Nathan renders her decision on the length of time Ghislaine will serve behind bars.”

Victim impact statements are written or oral testimonies presented to the court at the sentencing of the defendant, which allow the offender to hear about the effects of their actions. Although the judge will decide the defendant’s sentence based primarily on the pre-sentence report and certain sentencing guidelines, the judge should consider the statements before making a decision.

 

[otto]

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre could give victim impact statement at Ghislaine Maxwell sentencing

Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Giuffre

“At the sentencing, I anticipate that there will be a lot of testimony from many, many other women who were not able to be heard at the trial, who will come forward and bring information about their suffering at the hands of Ghislaine Maxwell,” Mrs McCawley said.

“I believe this will be considered by the court before Judge Nathan renders her decision on the length of time Ghislaine will serve behind bars.”

Victim impact statements are written or oral testimonies presented to the court at the sentencing of the defendant, which allow the offender to hear about the effects of their actions. Although the judge will decide the defendant’s sentence based primarily on the pre-sentence report and certain sentencing guidelines, the judge should consider the statements before making a decision.

That's surprising. I was under the impression that victim impact statements were reserved for those who were victims according to the facts of the trial. Giuffre had nothing to do with the trial.

This is the rule of law regarding victim impact statements in Canada. Is it different in the USA where everyone, regardless of whether evidence demonstrated them to be a victim, can voice an opinion during sentencing?

"A victim impact statement is a written statement that describes the physical or emotional harm, property damage, or economic loss that the victim of an offence has suffered. The Court must take the statement into account when sentencing an offender.
Jul 7, 2021
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Victim Impact Statement.

 

[rjay]

I believe it has to be allowed by the judge.

I believe this happened in the Larry Nasser case as well?

 

[otto]

I believe it has to be allowed by the judge.

I believe this happened in the Larry Nasser case as well?

Interesting. It doesn't make sense to me that, after a trial and conviction, everyone, regardless of whether they were a demonstrated victim during trial, can claim to be a victim. I doubt that would be allowed in Canada - per the definition of victim impact statement. In Canada, someone has to be a victim of an offence based on trial, not as an afterthought. I suppose this is one more difference between the justice system in the USA and in Canada.

 

[otto]

I suppose a victim impact statement from Giuffre regarding her time with Maxwell can be included in the action she has filed against Prince Andrew.

I don't recall any of the witnesses mentioning that they were trafficked. Was there testimony that they were trafficked? Is that something that Giuffre can introduce in a witness statement even though there was no evidence or testimony of trafficking during the Maxwell trial? What if the witness that Giuffre recruited identifies Giuffre as an agent of Epstein in her victim impact statement?

 

[Legally Bland]

Two of Prince Andrew’s avenues to prevent or stall the progression of Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s sex assault lawsuit against him were blocked on Saturday by a federal judge, increasing pressure to settle claims before a crucial court hearing this week.

Judge Lewis A Kaplan, in a written order, told the prince’s lawyers they must turn over documents on the schedule that has been set in the lawsuit brought by Guiffre who claims she was abused – aged 17 – by the prince on multiple occasions in 2001 while she was being sexually abused by financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Kaplan also rejected arguments by the prince’s lawyer, Andrew Brettler, on jurisdiction grounds after they argued last week that the lawsuit should be dismissed because Giuffre, a US citizen, no longer lives in the US.

US judge delivers double setback to Prince Andrew’s abuse case battle

 

[Cool Cats]

That's surprising. I was under the impression that victim impact statements were reserved for those who were victims according to the facts of the trial. Giuffre had nothing to do with the trial.

This is the rule of law regarding victim impact statements in Canada. Is it different in the USA where everyone, regardless of whether evidence demonstrated them to be a victim, can voice an opinion during sentencing?

"A victim impact statement is a written statement that describes the physical or emotional harm, property damage, or economic loss that the victim of an offence has suffered. The Court must take the statement into account when sentencing an offender.
Jul 7, 2021
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Victim Impact Statement.

Yes others not part of the trial can give victim impact statements. Happens all the time.

EXAMPLE:

Clare Bronfman labeled 'predator' by Nxivm victims.

The 41-year-old daughter of late former Seagram liquor chairman Edgar Bronfman Sr. pleaded guilty last August to charges of conspiracy to conceal and harbor an illegal alien for financial gain, and fraudulent use of identification.

A handful of women who were victimized by Nxivm tore into Seagram’s heiress Clare Bronfman on Wednesday, calling her a “dangerous megalomaniac” and “predator” for bankrolling the upstate sex cult.

Nine women delivered emotional victim impact statements in Brooklyn federal court ahead of Bronfman’s sentencing.

 

[Legally Bland]

Two of Prince Andrew’s avenues to prevent or stall the progression of Virginia Roberts Giuffre’s sex assault lawsuit against him were blocked on Saturday by a federal judge, increasing pressure to settle claims before a crucial court hearing this week.

Judge Lewis A Kaplan, in a written order, told the prince’s lawyers they must turn over documents on the schedule that has been set in the lawsuit brought by Guiffre who claims she was abused – aged 17 – by the prince on multiple occasions in 2001 while she was being sexually abused by financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Kaplan also rejected arguments by the prince’s lawyer, Andrew Brettler, on jurisdiction grounds after they argued last week that the lawsuit should be dismissed because Giuffre, a US citizen, no longer lives in the US.

US judge delivers double setback to Prince Andrew’s abuse case battle

I'm not sure that last paragraph reads very well as the article goes on to say:

The duke’s lawyers will seek to have the case dismissed by arguing that the Manhattan court does not have jurisdiction in the case because Giuffre has lived in Australia for years, despite her claims that she is a resident of Colorado.​

So they may just be referring to the order filed yesterday denying the motion to stay discovery. There's no new docs on Courtlistener, but they sometimes take a while to come through.

 

[Dotta]

Andrew's lawyers says he has no documents to support claim that he has the 'inability to sweat' | Daily Mail Online

 

[Dotta]

https://www-hulldailymail-co-uk.cdn.../judge-rejects-prince-andrews-efforts-6430512

 

[Cool Cats]

I believe it has to be allowed by the judge.

I believe this happened in the Larry Nasser case as well?

Regarding victim impact statements...
Yes, happened in the Larry Nasser case and a good example is with Clare Bronfman and Keith Raniere and Allison Mack etc... in the NXIVM Federal prosecutions.

Lots of people came forward with victim impact statements.

 

[Legally Bland]

Andrew's lawyers says he has no documents to support claim that he has the 'inability to sweat' | Daily Mail Online

I re-watched this part of the interview today and this line stood out re. going to Pizza Express:

'As soon as somebody reminded me of it, I went, 'Oh yes, I remember that'.​

Surely this person must be either a witness or have access to his itinerary, both of which PA claims don't exist.

 

[UK Girl]

I re-watched this part of the interview today and this line stood out re. going to Pizza Express:

'As soon as somebody reminded me of it, I went, 'Oh yes, I remember that'.​

Surely this person must be either a witness or have access to his itinerary, both of which PA claims don't exist.

to be fair...the Mail claims that the lawyer has said they dont exist but i havent seen where the lawyer has been named. The Mail..or Fail as its known here isnt the most reliable paper and has its own issues with members of the Royal family

 

[sds71]

REQUEST NO. 8:
All Documents concerning Your alleged medical condition of anhidrosis, hypohidrosis, or
Your inability to sweat.
7147-2
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RESPONSE TO REQUEST NO. 8:
In addition to the General Objections, which are incorporated herein by this reference,
Defendant objects to this Request to the extent that it is argumentative and seeks documents subject to the attorney-client privilege or work-product protection. Defendant objects to this Request on the grounds that it is harassing and seeks confidential and private information and documents that are irrelevant, immaterial and not reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. Defendant additionally objects to this Request as premature (1) because the parties have not executed nor has the Court entered a protective order in this action sufficient to safeguard the confidentiality of documents and information produced by the parties in the course of discovery; and (2) because until the threshold issue of the Court’s subject matter jurisdiction over this matter, discovery other than on the narrow topic of Plaintiff’s domicile is improper.

Subject to and without waiving the foregoing objections, Defendant responds as follows:

Defendant is unable to comply with Request No. 8 because no such documents exist in his possession, custody or control. A diligent search and a reasonable inquiry have been made in an effort to comply with this demand.

Dated: December 27, 2021 Los Angeles, California
Respectfully submitted, LAVELY & SINGER, P.C.
s/ Melissa Y. Lerner
Andrew B. Brettler (AB2662) Melissa Y. Lerner (pro hac vice) 2049 Century Park East, Suite 2400 Los Angeles, California 90067 Telephone: (310) 556-3501 Facsimile: (310) 556-3615
Email: [email protected] Email: [email protected]
Attorneys for Prince Andrew, the Duke of York

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713.60.2.pdf

 

[UK Girl]

REQUEST NO. 8:
All Documents concerning Your alleged medical condition of anhidrosis, hypohidrosis, or
Your inability to sweat.
7147-2
15

RESPONSE TO REQUEST NO. 8:
In addition to the General Objections, which are incorporated herein by this reference,
Defendant objects to this Request to the extent that it is argumentative and seeks documents subject to the attorney-client privilege or work-product protection. Defendant objects to this Request on the grounds that it is harassing and seeks confidential and private information and documents that are irrelevant, immaterial and not reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. Defendant additionally objects to this Request as premature (1) because the parties have not executed nor has the Court entered a protective order in this action sufficient to safeguard the confidentiality of documents and information produced by the parties in the course of discovery; and (2) because until the threshold issue of the Court’s subject matter jurisdiction over this matter, discovery other than on the narrow topic of Plaintiff’s domicile is improper.

Subject to and without waiving the foregoing objections, Defendant responds as follows:

Defendant is unable to comply with Request No. 8 because no such documents exist in his possession, custody or control. A diligent search and a reasonable inquiry have been made in an effort to comply with this demand.

Dated: December 27, 2021 Los Angeles, California
Respectfully submitted, LAVELY & SINGER, P.C.
s/ Melissa Y. Lerner
Andrew B. Brettler (AB2662) Melissa Y. Lerner (pro hac vice) 2049 Century Park East, Suite 2400 Los Angeles, California 90067 Telephone: (310) 556-3501 Facsimile: (310) 556-3615
Email: [email protected] Email: [email protected]
Attorneys for Prince Andrew, the Duke of York

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713/gov.uscourts.nysd.564713.60.2.pdf

to be fair even if he didnt have it in his possession...his Doctors could write a letter or print some thing off although it would likely cost him for it.

 

[Legally Bland]

to be fair...the Mail claims that the lawyer has said they dont exist but i havent seen where the lawyer has been named. The Mail..or Fail as its known here isnt the most reliable paper and has its own issues with members of the Royal family

PA's legal team are basically saying there is no evidence or witnesses to any of his alibi claims.

Source for document:

 

[UK Girl]

PA's legal team are basically saying there is no evidence or witnesses to any of his alibi claims.

Source for document:

Honestly i have never believed about the Pizza place....you would never remember the dates twenty years on for something like that

 

[Legally Bland]

to be fair even if he didnt have it in his possession...his Doctors could write a letter or print some thing off although it would likely cost him for it.

Under current legislation, individuals have a right to access their own health records, and in limited circumstances, to access information about other people. This right extends equally to all relevant records relating to living individuals, including records held in the private health sector and health professionals’ private practice records.

[...]

Previously, under the Data Protection Act 1998 (DPA), data controllers of health records could charge between £10 and £50 for an access request, depending on where the records were held. However, since new data protection legislation came into force on 25 May 2018, record holders are no longer able to charge for accessing records. The exception to this is where requests are ‘manifestly unfounded or excessive’.9 In these cases, the data controller can charge a reasonable fee to cover the administrative costs or refuse to act on the request.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN07103/SN07103.pdf

BBM.