UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999 - 2002

[Dotta]

Dotta, it's a long article, but if you read it, you'll see that the DM did their due diligence and actually had 2 clothed people get inside the tub. It's not big enough for the er, action.

So, let's say pre-action b/c they ended in the bedroom.

 

[tayaway]

So, let's say pre-action b/c they ended in the bedroom.

Yes! Apparently the tub was/is too small a space for um, foreplay?

 

[Dotta]

Yes! Apparently the tub was/is too small a space for um, foreplay?

Hahaha
The Latin proverb says
Per Aspera Ad Astra
meaning
Through suffering to the Stars!

 

[Dotta]

But seriously, Im sure JE/GM have pics/videos of these "meetings" with the rich and famous.

 

[Dotta]

Oh, how the Wheel of Fortune turns

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...ng-Duke-York-title-loses-Giuffre-lawsuit.html

 

[UK Girl]

Oh, how the Wheel of Fortune turns

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10361451/amp/Prince-Andrew-asked-stop-using-Duke-York-title-loses-Giuffre-lawsuit.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#aoh=16410986915334&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=Źródło: %1$s&ampshare=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10361451/Prince-Andrew-asked-stop-using-Duke-York-title-loses-Giuffre-lawsuit.html

Honestly I do not believe he will be asked to step down. If it was a criminal trial MAYBE but even then...the Mail has said for nearly two years now that Harry will be told he is to lose his title but it has never happened and I doubt it will. I dont believe Andrew ever will as long as his mother is alive either.

 

[otto]

Honestly I do not believe he will be asked to step down. If it was a criminal trial MAYBE but even then...the Mail has said for nearly two years now that Harry will be told he is to lose his title but it has never happened and I doubt it will. I dont believe Andrew ever will as long as his mother is alive either.

So many people are making statements as though Giuffre has won her action against Prince Andrew. It seems that guilty until proven innocent is the new reality.

 

[sds71]

Virginia’s lawyers claim they now have up to six witnesses willing to testify she and Andrew met. Among them is Johanna Sjoberg, 41, who claims Andrew touched her breast while playing with a latex Spitting Image puppet of himself inside Epstein’s New York mansion.

Another witness, Steve Scully, who worked for Epstein, says he saw Andrew and Virginia kiss while on Epstein’s private island.


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/inside-epstein-house-horrors-girlfriend-25833022

 

[Dotta]

So many people are making statements as though Giuffre has won her action against Prince Andrew. It seems that guilty until proven innocent is the new reality.

Hmmm...
"Caesar's wife must be above any hint of suspicion".

That's harsh reality - Nobility obliges, no?

 

[UK Girl]

Hmmm...
"Caesar's wife must be above any hint of suspicion".

That's harsh reality - Nobility obliges, no?

Not really. We have had several famous soap stars here suspended from their jobs accused of rape and gone to court and been found not guilty. Rightly or wrongly hes not been convicted of anything or even charged in a criminal court to be fair. Equally IF innocent...and people are calling you a rapist...thats also harsh. My personal opinion right now is he should tell the truth whatever that is as it could backfire on him.

 

[Dotta]

Not really. We have had several famous soap stars here suspended from their jobs accused of rape and gone to court and been found not guilty. Rightly or wrongly hes not been convicted of anything or even charged in a criminal court to be fair. Equally IF innocent...and people are calling you a rapist...thats also harsh. My personal opinion right now is he should tell the truth whatever that is as it could backfire on him.

The saying means that prominent figures, and being a member of Royal Family certainly applies, must avoid attracting negative attention.

There is a vast distinction between the symbol of a country and a TV soap opera star, isn't there?

But hey, Im a republican from another country

 

[UK Girl]

The saying means that prominent figures, and being a member of Royal Family certainly applies, must avoid attracting negative attention.

There is a vast distinction between the symbol of a country and a TV soap opera star, isn't there?

But hey, Im a republican from another country

to be honest...i think regardless of who it is..and seriously..i dont like Andrew I think he is an arrogant mummys boy...but...i think for whoever it has to be horrible to be called a rapist when its not been confirmed in court and pft hes not the symbol you think and he never really was

 

[Dotta]

to be honest...i think regardless of who it is..and seriously..i dont like Andrew I think he is an arrogant mummys boy...but...i think for whoever it has to be horrible to be called a rapist when its not been confirmed in court and pft hes not the symbol you think and he never really was

No comment

 

[UK Girl]

Out of curiousity has Andrew said who his witnesses will be yet?

 

[UK Girl]

Dershowitz: BBC Should Not Apologize for Interviewing Me

 

[minusfour]

So many people are making statements as though Giuffre has won her action against Prince Andrew. It seems that guilty until proven innocent is the new reality.

Prince Andrew seems to have enjoyed the presumption of innocence for quite a long while. He certainly has the best legal advice that money can buy, and not many people are able to hide from process servers on a royal estate. Instead of talking to the FBI, as has apparently been requested, he gave that interview in which he supplied an alibi, (apparently cannot prove), gave the non sweating defence, (apparently cannot prove), and forgot to mention any degree of sympathy for the minor victims of his convicted friends crimes. There are suggestions, in the media at least, that the infamous photo of him and VG was faked. (To be fair, GM had not been convicted at that time, but she had been accused) Now there seems to be technicalities that Prince Andrew is relying upon so that he doesn't have to answer these allegations- prior agreements between victims and JE, the living arrangements of VG.

Perhaps Prince Andrew is guilty of nothing more than having poor taste in friends, and poor judgement in other areas of his life. How can we know, he has so far refused to talk to investigators? I have read, on social media, the most awful attacks against his accusers. Lolitia's who "knew exactly what they were doing", and much worse.

Going back centuries to the Magna Carta, the British Royal Family are not meant to be above the law. It would behove him to stand up like an adult, and answer the investigators, instead of relying upon the presumption of innocence for any longer. (Technically GM was innocent a month ago too)

As an Australian, the apparent protection of Prince Andrew by the royal machine makes me sick, and makes me think about the role of the Royals in the future.

 

[Dotta]

Prince Andrew seems to have enjoyed the presumption of innocence for quite a long while. He certainly has the best legal advice that money can buy, and not many people are able to hide from process servers on a royal estate. Instead of talking to the FBI, as has apparently been requested, he gave that interview in which he supplied an alibi, (apparently cannot prove), gave the non sweating defence, (apparently cannot prove), and forgot to mention any degree of sympathy for the minor victims of his convicted friends crimes. There are suggestions, in the media at least, that the infamous photo of him and VG was faked. (To be fair, GM had not been convicted at that time, but she had been accused) Now there seems to be technicalities that Prince Andrew is relying upon so that he doesn't have to answer these allegations- prior agreements between victims and JE, the living arrangements of VG.

Perhaps Prince Andrew is guilty of nothing more than having poor taste in friends, and poor judgement in other areas of his life. How can we know, he has so far refused to talk to investigators? I have read, on social media, the most awful attacks against his accusers. Lolitia's who "knew exactly what they were doing", and much worse.

Going back centuries to the Magna Carta, the British Royal Family are not meant to be above the law. It would behove him to stand up like an adult, and answer the investigators, instead of relying upon the presumption of innocence for any longer. (Technically GM was innocent a month ago too)

As an Australian, the apparent protection of Prince Andrew by the royal machine makes me sick, and makes me think about the role of the Royals in the future.

Im also a foreigner and I watch from the sidelines.
Sadly, for the British RF, "the milk has been spilled" so to speak.
People abroad dont really know who is who - they just read lurid headlines about British Royal Family involved in sordid phedophile scandal.
It is sad really, but the attitude towards British Monarchy is changing.
Im not sure if people in the UK realise that.

 

[UK Girl]

Prince Andrew seems to have enjoyed the presumption of innocence for quite a long while. He certainly has the best legal advice that money can buy, and not many people are able to hide from process servers on a royal estate. Instead of talking to the FBI, as has apparently been requested, he gave that interview in which he supplied an alibi, (apparently cannot prove), gave the non sweating defence, (apparently cannot prove), and forgot to mention any degree of sympathy for the minor victims of his convicted friends crimes. There are suggestions, in the media at least, that the infamous photo of him and VG was faked. (To be fair, GM had not been convicted at that time, but she had been accused) Now there seems to be technicalities that Prince Andrew is relying upon so that he doesn't have to answer these allegations- prior agreements between victims and JE, the living arrangements of VG.

Perhaps Prince Andrew is guilty of nothing more than having poor taste in friends, and poor judgement in other areas of his life. How can we know, he has so far refused to talk to investigators? I have read, on social media, the most awful attacks against his accusers. Lolitia's who "knew exactly what they were doing", and much worse.

Going back centuries to the Magna Carta, the British Royal Family are not meant to be above the law. It would behove him to stand up like an adult, and answer the investigators, instead of relying upon the presumption of innocence for any longer. (Technically GM was innocent a month ago too)

As an Australian, the apparent protection of Prince Andrew by the royal machine makes me sick, and makes me think about the role of the Royals in the future.

Honestly I have my own views on that too. I think he is putting the Royal family in danger although once the Queen dies he wont really be part of it anyway. I hate what he is doing to his mother when she has been through enough already the past couple of years and also risks overshadowing this special year for his mum. I guess Harrys book does also come to that. I do think he should answer questions although...the cops apparently spoke to VG and didnt think there was a case to proceed in this country and apparently the Americans wanted him as a witness rather than anything. I DO think he needs to tell the truth because lieing will make him look bad and make him look guilty even if he isnt. I personally...dont think getting the case dropped is a good move as it would just look like he is hiding rather than trying to sort the problem. For me the issue is...in this country she wasnt below the age of consent and I believe NY the same. I suppose it then comes down to whether he forced her or not which could i read something in the Mail which here link to a lot where she allegedly told the bf at the time she didnt want to go to London but...she wanted the money to keep up their life style which then confuses me where the charges are concerned. I just want the truth and the whole truth to come out whatever it is.

 

[UK Girl]

Im also a foreigner and I watch from the sidelines.
Sadly, for the British RF, "the milk has been spilled" so to speak.
People abroad dont really know who is who - they just read lurid headlines about British Family involved in sordid phedophile scandal.
It is sad really, but the attitude towards British Monarchy is changing.
Im not sure if people in the UK realise that.

why would we not know? though I dont think Harry and Meghan have helped that situation either tbh. Although I guess it went further back to Charles and Diana and then her death ugh. Also not really thrilled at the thought of having Camilla as the Queen tbh

 

[otto]

If Royal Families had to be abolished each time the second born embarrassed the heir to the throne, they would have never survived this long. <modsnip - off topic>