UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999-2002 *settled* #2

[Dotta]

Actually, can't anybody give themselves a hyphen?

Hyphenating a last name is a legal name change
and requires a formal process to complete.

But
He was given such surname at birth, no?

 

[JDG]

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[otto]

Even when Virginia went to Thailand for the massage course (and then met her husband and never returned to Epstein and Maxwell) they wanted her to find a specific Thai girl for Epstein. Virginia felt she was finally (mostly) free so she didn't even bother looking for the girl. Though, when Maxwell called her in Thailand, Virginia said she was looking for the girl.

Virginia says that the only thing she felt that she could do about the procuring was be honest with the girls ... tell them they would be given $200-$300 by Epstein but he would expect explicit "favours". Instead of giving them the usual line by the other procurers that the girls would be taught massage.

Epstein went through a lot of young girls because he wanted "services" three times a day.

Source: Nobody's Girl by Virginia Roberts Giuffre

Timeline
March 2001: Giuffre met Andrew in London
August 2001: Giuffre turned 18 years of age
2001-2002: Giuffre brought "children" to Epstein to be abused
September 2002: Giuffre, age 19, met husband in Thailand
September 2002: Epstein told Giuffre "have a good life", Giuffre moved to Australia

Over a period of 18 months, Giuffre met Andrew, she recruited "children" to be abused by Epstein, she moved to Australia with Epstein's blessing.

"The programme showed footage of Ms Giuffre speaking during an interview with the Miami Herald, in which she said:

“It kind of works like a pyramid scheme, Ghislaine brought me in, I brought other girls in, those girls brought other girls in and no matter what Jeffrey constantly had that open revolving door of young women,young teenagers, children I like to call them, coming through his door for one purpose and one purpose alone”.​

ofcom.org transcript

"The 41-year-old chronicled her initial romantic encounters with Robert Giuffre at the age of 19 in a self-penned memoir - The Billionaire's Playboy Club - dedicated to her 'true love Robbie who believes in me every step of the way'.
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'Finally a few seconds later his reaction to the news sunk in and [Epstein's] only and final reply until many years to come was, "Have a good life!"
DailyMail

 

[otto]

Until now, I thought that Giuffre and Andrew met long before she was able to escape Epstein's alleged coercive control. I am surprised that, at the same time that Giuffre claims to be acting without free will, she was recruiting children for Epstein as part of a paid pyramid scheme. Eighteen months later, while on a paid study-vacation in Thailand, she parted ways with Epstein by simply telling him that she was moving on. His only response was to wish her a good life.

For some reason, I thought the events of 18 months occurred over several years - in part because documentation about coercive control and trafficking suggests that leaving those associations is extremely difficult.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988559542787977498

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988728936067461467

 

[Warwick7]

"With perfect clarity, I simply knew that I couldn’t agree to their proposal. That said, I also knew I couldn’t just tell Epstein and Maxwell no. That was too dangerous. For the first time in more than two years, I began actively seeking a way to escape, buying time by pretending to think over their offer."

"Ultimately, Giuffre agreed — on the condition that the couple finally make good on their promise to put her through professional masseuse training."

"Epstein sent her to the International Training Massage School in Thailand."

Maxwell, Epstein pleaded for Virginia Giuffre to ‘have our baby’ — prompting teen to hatch escape plan: memoir

“There was no way I wanted to bring a child into the world for them to raise.”

nypost.com

 

[otto]

More from Epstein about Andrew, Giuffre:

"A photograph of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor with his arm around 17-year-old Virginia Roberts Giuffre was real, according to newly-released emails sent by Jeffrey Epstein, which undermine Andrew’s claim it may have been faked.

Andrew claimed in his interview on Newsnight in 2019 that he had no recollection of the infamous photograph ever being taken and suggested it may have been doctored.

But a tranche of emails published by the US House Oversight Committee on Wednesday appears to undermine his claims. In a 2011 email, Epstein, who is alleged to have taken the picture, appeared to tell a journalist: “Yes she [Giuffre] was on my plane, and yes she had her picture taken with Andrew.”
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The documents also seem to show that Andrew told Epstein “I can’t take any more of this my end”, as the scandal began to engulf the royal family. Andrew has strenuously denied allegations of any wrongdoing.
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The three emails released by the Democrats seem to show Epstein claiming a victim — later identified as Giuffre — “spent several hours” with Trump at Epstein’s residence.
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In one email correspondence from 2016, Epstein appears to thank Mandelson for advice on distancing himself from Andrew.
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In July of 2011, Epstein told his publicist Peggy Siegal to investigate the “liar” Giuffre over claims she was forced to have sex with Andrew"

Epstein email claims Andrew photo is real

Released files appear to show Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor telling Jeffrey Epstein he ‘can’t take any more of this’ as the scandal began to engulf the royal family

www.thetimes.com

"A newly released email from disgraced late financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, referencing Trump"

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Until now, I thought that Giuffre and Andrew met long before she was able to escape Epstein's alleged coercive control. I am surprised that, at the same time that Giuffre claims to be acting without free will, she was recruiting children for Epstein as part of a paid pyramid scheme. Eighteen months later, while on a paid study-vacation in Thailand, she parted ways with Epstein by simply telling him that she was moving on. His only response was to wish her a good life.

For some reason, I thought the events of 18 months occurred over several years - in part because documentation about coercive control and trafficking suggests that leaving those associations is extremely difficult.

Respectfully, 18 months is ~1 & 1/2 years. And I wonder if perhaps the now deceased victim VG might have experienced something akin to ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ in her time there. MOO

 

[Luna20]

These emails are damning though none of these parties have been convicted aside from GM. Eerie that the author starts his email off “I think you should let him “hang himself”


“WASHINGTON — Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein ended his friendship with Bill Clinton because he believed the former president was a liar, according to new emails the disgraced financier’s estate handed over to Congress on Wednesday.

The emails obtained by the House Oversight Committee show that Kathryn Ruemmler, a former White House counsel to President Barack Obama, had a chummy relationship with Epstein — and the two frequently discussed politics in the lead-up to the 2016 election.

In a Jan. 23, 2016, email, Epstein revealed that he broke off contact with Slick Willy after “he swore, with whole-hearted conviction to me that he had done something, he had forgotten that he also swore the exact opposite to me only weeks before.”

Epstein emails with ex-Obama lawyer claim he stopped talking to Bill Clinton for mysterious reason

In a Jan. 23, 2016, email, Epstein revealed that he broke off contact with “Slick Willy” after “he swore, with whole-hearted conviction to me that he had done something.

nypost.com

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989304182642290915

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989458602906509338

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1989857137091121186

 

[Luna20]

Perhaps Charles knew in advance that this was going to get worse and pulled the plug on AM.


“A US congressman has accused Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor of “hiding” from a government committee seeking to question him over an investigation into Jeffrey Epstein.

Suhas Subramanyam, one of the Democrat members of the House Oversight Committee, also warned the former prince that the panel he sits on will “continue to pursue” the matter.

The committee wrote to Mountbatten-Windsor earlier in November, requesting he sit for a “transcribed interview” in connection with his “long-standing friendship” with paedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein.

The letter, signed by 16 members of Congress, said the committee had identified “financial records containing notations such as ‘massage for Andrew’ that raise serious questions”.

It has requested that he responds by this Thursday, 20 November.

Subramanyam told The Guardian that the former duke “has been hiding from us, and I think he will continue to try to hide from people doing meaningful investigations of this matter”.

“It seems like every time we find more evidence, [former] prince Andrew seems to be in the documents,” he added.

“And so I think if he is hoping that the story will just go away by ignoring us and being silent, he will be sorely disappointed, as we continue to pursue this over the next year and beyond.”


More:

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor accused of 'hiding' from Epstein inquiry

'It seems like every time we find more evidence, Andrew seems to be in the documents,' one of the US Democrats seeking to interview the former prince said

inews.co.uk

 

[JDG]

I don’t believe Andrew MW is obliged to respond to anything/anyone in America.

I could be wrong but I’d like these same people to answer a question.

Why are y’all not going after the wealthy Americans named in flight logs etc?

There are plenty of Americans to choose from.

 

[Luna20]

I don’t believe Andrew MW is obliged to respond to anything/anyone in America.

I could be wrong but I’d like these same people to answer a question.

Why are y’all not going after the wealthy Americans named in flight logs etc?

There are plenty of Americans to choose from.

Same here. They have emails with some of the parties identity’s. So they do have information that they can investigate. Maybe they are privately having conversations for now? I don’t know what it is.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990735600496836830

 

[Parker Knoll]

Poor horse.

 

[Luna20]

Poor horse.

Right?! He has had enough of that scoundrel and no longer wants to carry him around.

Another US official has been implicated. I don’t have time to look for it at the moment.

 

[JDG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1990735600496836830

Get used to seeing Andrew on horseback or golfing.

His lifestyle isn’t going to change much, he will be living in the lap of luxury but in a smaller mansion, on a vast estate in Norfolk.

He will still have servants as he is unable to fend for himself, same as all ‘senior’ royals.

The family just wants him out of sight.

The King has three valets to dress him and keep him in clean socks.

As well as the guy who draws his bath and puts his toothpaste onto the brush for him.

Wish I could find the video of Harry ‘all tied up’ while putting on a top.

Took two men to get him disentangled. SMH