UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999 - 2002

[Dotta]

Here is a neat and tidy list of both criminal and civil cases against former US president DJTrump, via Just Security Org.

Im done

I wrote about THIS case(JE/GM).
Im not interested in historical cases.

This topic is closed to me now.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

but...this was what someone was asking...why havent there been trials against others...and you said they were too smart to get caught but VG said she had seen it..so..i suppose there would be a witness but never mind

Thanks. I just think there are SO MANY people involved in all this - bring ‘em all down!!

Andrew, allegedly, had sex with a 17 year old. Sleazy as hell and utterly inappropriate, but not illegal in this country.

Another man, allegedly taking the virginity of a 13 year old. Now, to me, that’s proper paedophilia.

I’ve said it already, I am NOT defending the entitled, elitist, pompous Andrew, but in the grand scheme of things should he be lumped in the same as Epstein & Maxwell? Because that’s how it appears in the press, like he is the only other one worth legal action. I don’t think so.

 

[escape2sc]

Thanks. I just think there are SO MANY people involved in all this - bring ‘em all down!!

Andrew, allegedly, had sex with a 17 year old. Sleazy as hell and utterly inappropriate, but not illegal in this country.

Another man, allegedly taking the virginity of a 13 year old. Now, to me, that’s proper paedophilia.

I’ve said it already, I am NOT defending the entitled, elitist, pompous Andrew, but in the grand scheme of things should he be lumped in the same as Epstein & Maxwell? Because that’s how it appears in the press, like he is the only other one worth legal action. I don’t think so.

But it is illegal in this country. She was under the age of 18 when Epstein & Maxwell trafficked her for sex with others.
Citizen's Guide To U.S. Federal Law On Child Sex Trafficking
"Child Sex Trafficking is prohibited by 18 U.S.C. § 1591. This statute makes it a federal offense to knowingly recruit, entice, harbor, transport, provide, obtain, or maintain a minor (defined as someone under 18 years of age) knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that the victim is a minor and would be caused to engage in a commercial sex act. “Commercial sex act” is defined very broadly to include “any sex act, on account of which anything of value is given to or received by any person.” In other words, it is illegal both to offer and to obtain a child, and cause that child to engage in any kind of sexual activity in exchange for anything of value, whether it be money, goods, personal benefit, in-kind favors, or some other kind of benefit.'

Ignorance of age if an adult had sex with someone under the age of consent is not a defense against statutory rape charges in New York. Ignorance of whether a minor is a sex trafficking victim should not be a defense either and by law as a sex trafficking victim Virginia is considered a minor.

Interesting Texas Law
https://www.tdcaa.com/journal/what-every-prosecutor-should-know-about-human-trafficking/teresting Texas law

Sex trafficking of a child. What is commonly referred to as sex trafficking of a child or CSEC (commercial sexual exploitation of a child) is covered under §20A.02(a)(7). Sex trafficking of a child requires a showing that the defendant knowingly trafficked a child (under 18) and caused the child to engage in sexual conduct. Although the enumerated list of underlying conduct is long, it essentially covers all of the sexual crimes involving children. The State is not required to prove that the trafficker knew that the victim was under 18. Note also that all of the adults engaging in any part of this behavior are guilty of trafficking; those who profit as well as the sex buyer can be prosecuted under §20A.02(a)(8) for minor victims and §20A.02(a)(4) for adults.


I may be wrong but I understand the above laws to mean..as a 17 yr old trafficked victim, Virginia is considered a minor regardless that she was of the age of consent.

Andrew has a long history of "friendships" with persons with questionable character. Andrew's friendship with Epstein was mutually beneficial - if it wasn't Epstein would have dropped Andrew like a hot potato years ago. IMO

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I may be wrong but I understand the above laws to mean..as a 17 yr old trafficked victim, Virginia is considered a minor regardless that she was of the age of consent.

Andrew has a long history of "friendships" with persons with questionable character. Andrew's friendship with Epstein was mutually beneficial - if it wasn't Epstein would have dropped Andrew like a hot potato years ago. IMO

Yes you are correct about her being a minor IF it was known she was trafficked. Good point.

I think we can all agree Andrew is a complete idiot with catastrophically poor judgement and quite probably ignored advice from his friends/family/lawyers to steer clear of Epstein. Thought he was above it all, so big headed and deluded he thought girls would jump at the chance to sleep with a prince.

For clarity, I am not pro Andrew in any way, I couldn’t give a damn whether he’s prosecuted or not. There just must be so many famous men who are bricking it right now. Catch them all, I say.

 

[Dotta]

Thanks. I just think there are SO MANY people involved in all this - bring ‘em all down!!

Andrew, allegedly, had sex with

Yes you are correct about her being a minor IF it was known she was trafficked. Good point.

I think we can all agree Andrew is a complete idiot with catastrophically poor judgement and quite probably ignored advice from his friends/family/lawyers to steer clear of Epstein. Thought he was above it all, so big headed and deluded he thought girls would jump at the chance to sleep with a prince.

For clarity, I am not pro Andrew in any way, I couldn’t give a damn whether he’s prosecuted or not. There just must be so many famous men who are bricking it right now. Catch them all, I say.

I remember a former Am AG hinted JE was involved in some kind of "Intelligence".
If it is really a case, I dont think we will hear about others.

Alexander Acosta dodges when asked if Jeffrey Epstein was an 'intelligence asset'

 

[escape2sc]

Re if Andrew knew Virginia was being trafficked.

Her Civil suit claims sexual assault/rape, don’t her claims have to follow the criminal law definition/guidelines of what constitutes sexual assault/rape ? It would be grounds for dismissing the case if her claims were outside the scope of what the law reads or how can they claim he is liable ? Or is that an issue not brought up this early in the civil court process ? Or her attorney has evidence he knew or the New York and/or Federal law states as a sex trafficked minor it doesn’t matter if he knew she was trafficked ?

 

[Cool Cats]

Meet Lewis A Kaplan: The judge overseeing the Prince Andrew case who has sent down mobsters and terrorists

Lewis Kaplan's rise through the ranks has seen him take on many high-profile cases

Judge Kaplan appeared to deal the Duke a severe blow on Tuesday, saying that he is “not entitled” to bring up a settlement Ms Giuffre had with Jeffrey Epstein, the late financier and convicted sex offender.

That $500,000 (£370,000) deal was at the heart of the Duke’s bid to have the sexual abuse lawsuit against him thrown out.

 

[Dotta]

All's well that ends well

Prince Andrew could conclude case out of court with Virginia Roberts if it goes to trial | Daily Mail Online

 

[CP244]

Meet Lewis A Kaplan: The judge overseeing the Prince Andrew case who has sent down mobsters and terrorists

Lewis Kaplan's rise through the ranks has seen him take on many high-profile cases

Judge Kaplan appeared to deal the Duke a severe blow on Tuesday, saying that he is “not entitled” to bring up a settlement Ms Giuffre had with Jeffrey Epstein, the late financier and convicted sex offender.

That $500,000 (£370,000) deal was at the heart of the Duke’s bid to have the sexual abuse lawsuit against him thrown out.

The fact that he is using this technicality just cements his guilt to me.

 

[Dotta]

The fact that he is using this technicality just cements his guilt to me.

Technicality or not, it is within the law to take advantage of it.

This case should have been settled ages ago without fanfare.
According to Press, VR/G just wanted him to apologise.

Unfortunately, some children are not taught in childhood 3 magical words:
Sorry, Thank you, Please.
Oh well...

 

[Becky Starkey]

Thanks. I just think there are SO MANY people involved in all this - bring ‘em all down!!

Andrew, allegedly, had sex with a 17 year old. Sleazy as hell and utterly inappropriate, but not illegal in this country.

Another man, allegedly taking the virginity of a 13 year old. Now, to me, that’s proper paedophilia.

I’ve said it already, I am NOT defending the entitled, elitist, pompous Andrew, but in the grand scheme of things should he be lumped in the same as Epstein & Maxwell? Because that’s how it appears in the press, like he is the only other one worth legal action. I don’t think so.

Those flight logs have a long list of celebs and politicos, don't know how many minors they were involved with though. But I've always wondered why all those names have just been swept under a big rug yet those same people are in our faces all the time on tv, radio, internet, wherever. No one ever even asks them why they were on the Lolita Express.

 

[CP244]

Technicality or not, it is within the law to take advantage of it.

This case should have been settled ages ago without fanfare.
According to Press, VR/G just wanted him to apologise.

Unfortunately, some children are not taught in childhood 3 magical words:
Sorry, Thank you, Please.
Oh well...

I was not speaking of whether it is within the law or not, just how it influences my mind as to his guilt or not.

 

[StasiaUK]

Technicality or not, it is within the law to take advantage of it.

This case should have been settled ages ago without fanfare.
According to Press, VR/G just wanted him to apologise.

Unfortunately, some children are not taught in childhood 3 magical words:
Sorry, Thank you, Please.
Oh well...

She just wanted him to apologise? What an absolute load of tripe! (Not you by the way - wherever this was said). She’s out for justice and compensation for what she says happened to her. And if it did happen the way she alleges then rightfully so too. But for her to try and say an apology would have made all this go away, I don’t for one second buy it.

 

[Dotta]

She just wanted him to apologise? What an absolute load of tripe! (Not you by the way - wherever this was said). She’s out for justice and compensation for what she says happened to her. And if it did happen the way she alleges then rightfully so too. But for her to try and say an apology would have made all this go away, I don’t for one second buy it.

Haha
Prince would never know.
If only he tried!

 

[StasiaUK]

Haha
Prince would never know.
If only he tried!

True lol

 

[Cool Cats]

Prince Andrew's Sexual Abuse Case May Finally Reveal the Hypocrisy of Who Gets Royal Protection

The way the palace is handling Prince Andrew’s civil case, in which he is accused of raping Virginia Roberts Giuffre after she was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, should put every royal watcher on notice. Not just for the horrific allegations against the Duke of York, but for how the royal family picks and chooses how they deal with each scandal that comes their way.

It’s hard not to take issue with the fact that Prince Harry lost his honorary military titles, something he took great pride in after serving in the military, for leaving his senior role and moving to the U.S. — while Andrew, who no longer has a public role in the royal family, still retains the military titles bestowed upon him. This particular discrepancy has “prompted objections from veterans, who say it is unseemly to be under the command of a person facing such allegations,” according to The New York Times.

So, why would the palace favor Andrew over Harry? Well, Andrew has always stood by his royal heritage because his privilege has kept him safe (for now). Harry chose to side with his wife, who found the constraints of the royal family damaging to her well-being, so losing those titles was part of the punishment.

 

[Dotta]

Money trouble looming

Prince Andrew could have to pay accuser Virginia Giuffre £3.7m - but she won't want to settle | Daily Mail Online

 

[altojack]

Andrew HAS sold £17m Swiss chalet to pay for legal battle with rape accuser

So PA has sold his Swiss chalet. Yesterday the paper headline was that he was selling it. I personally was under the impression it was on the market a couple of years ago.

Anyway, he must have realised he need to get cash quickly. And The Queen IS NOT paying his legal fees for the court case.

 

[UK Girl]

Andrew HAS sold £17m Swiss chalet to pay for legal battle with rape accuser

So PA has sold his Swiss chalet. Yesterday the paper headline was that he was selling it. I personally was under the impression it was on the market a couple of years ago.

Anyway, he must have realised he need to get cash quickly. And The Queen IS NOT paying his legal fees for the court case.

He was meant to have sold it some time ago as he owed someone 9 million towards it...but now it says its up for sale...its hard to keep up with it

 

[UK Girl]

Key witness at Ghislaine Maxwell's trial waives her anonymity and makes a sensational new claim | Daily Mail Online

‘She said they had dinner and they had sex. She didn’t say anything about what they ate or where they were – that’s not what we were talking about. It was just that she couldn’t believe she got to sleep with Prince Andrew.

‘I kept saying, “are you serious?” And she said “yeah”. I asked if she got paid to do it and she never gave me an answer.’

Today Carolyn is a life-worn, 35-year-old married mother of five children aged between five and 17, still living near Palm Beach, where Epstein had a sprawling, £13 million mansion.

She has no issue with Andrew – she’s never met him – nor is she a huge fan of Virginia. She hasn’t seen her former friend in years, and it probably wouldn’t be a joyful reunion if they did meet.

Carolyn holds Virginia responsible for delivering her into Epstein and Maxwell’s clutches in the first place. Giuffre has admitted that she actively recruited young girls for Epstein, something she says she bitterly regrets.

Plus, it should be noted, the jury in New York believed Carolyn’s testimony wholeheartedly. Maxwell was convicted unanimously on five of the six charges against her. Four of the guilty verdicts were underpinned by allegations made by Carolyn. The most serious of them, of child sex trafficking a minor, applied to Carolyn alone, and carries a maximum 40-year jail term.


So they had dinner and then sex? so what happened to the night club?