GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #11

[mrazda71]

I'd say she's probably been told to play down her interest in girls. We have her having a threesome with another girl on more than one occasion and actually having had at least one relationships with a girl before she met NM.

I don't think, a weeks worth of snogging at 13 constitutes a "relationship", personally.

 

[Edinlass]

Towards the end of the relationship....???

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So she has now called off the relationship, I wonder if this is the first NM has heard of this. Surely they have no contact as in letters etc.

 

[ColourPurple]

No matter how scared she was of him, did she really let her child live in a cold house and only wash with cold water? Wonder if that is why they spent so much time around Becky's house - using their hot water and heating?

Wonder if he put the hot water on to clean the bath ?

 

[Unique]

Harriet Hadfield ‏@SkyHarriet 2 mins2 minutes ago
#beckywatts: Shauna and Becky didn't spend a lot of time together. Did bond over their hair. SH given some of Becky's clothes

Claire Hayhurst ‏@clairehayhurst 52 secs53 seconds ago
Hoare: NM pointed out "mainly people younger than him", said he "wanted to have sex with them. He would generally say 'I'd give them a go'".

Harriet Hadfield ‏@SkyHarriet 1 min1 minute ago
#beckywatts: On Nathan & teenage girls: "He would point out he'd like to have sex with them... He would generally say he'd give them a go."

 

[Unique]

Harriet Hadfield ‏@SkyHarriet 42 secs43 seconds ago
#beckywatts: on Nathan "He was extremely paranoid security-wise. He would make sure every door was locked... We wouldn't answer the door"

 

[sar2them1984]

Claire Hayhurst ‏@clairehayhurst 16 secs17 seconds ago
Hoare dyed Becky's hair last year "I was telling Becky about how I wanted to get my hair cut but I wasn't able to. Nathan wouldn't let me."

Claire Hayhurst ‏@clairehayhurst 4 secs4 seconds ago
Hoare: "He said if I had short hair I would look like a lesbian. She thought it was ridiculous."

Ahhh yes they had banter about this on her fb - she seemed to be taunting/joking with him about it

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[ColourPurple]

Wonder if he put the hot water on to clean the bath ?

At that age yes one to two weeks could be a relationship. Either way I'm sure you'd agree that its in her interests to play down her sexual interest in females?

 

[ColourPurple]

Ahhh yes they had banter about this on her fb - she seemed to be taunting/joking with him about it

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Yes a couple of the things being used to show he was controlling come across as jokes, the asking for a blowy, the looking like a lesbian if she had short hair.

 

[Tortoise]

[h=3]'Nathan said if I had my hair cut short I would look like a lesbian'[/h]Shauna Hoare is asked about her relationship with Becky Watts, who was around five years younger than her when she died.
Hoare said: “We wouldn’t have a lot of contact with her.”
The jury heard Hoare dyed Becky’s hair a year before her arrest.
She said: “I was telling Becky I wanted to get my hair cut but Nathan wouldn’t let me because he said if it was short I would look like a lesbian.
“Becky thought that was ridiculous.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6733548

 

[ColourPurple]

TV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 2 mins2 minutes ago
SH says NM would often park around the corner, so as not to let people know he was living there. #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 2 mins2 minutes ago
SH: “He was extremely paranoid, it was more sort of security wise. He rarely liked me out on my own." #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 3 mins3 minutes ago
Hoare says at the beginning of 2015 Matthews was still trying to hide the fact he was living with her. #beckywatts


ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 5 mins5 minutes ago
SH says when NM saw girls "younger than him", he would often tell her, "I’d give them a go". #beckywatts

 

[Tortoise]

[h=3]'Nathan would talk about wanting to have sex with teenage girls'[/h]Hoare is asked about Matthews’ attitude towards pretty, teenage girls.
She said: “Occasionally he would make inappropriate comments, saying how he would like to have sex with them.
“He would generally say: ‘I would give them a go’.”
Hoare said she did not like the comments.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6733548

 

[mrazda71]

Snipped by me

Hopefully he wasn't always chopping bodies up in the bathroom.

Will they ask if he always behaved the same way when the toilet blocked (ie door locked, bleach everywhere) or was it different this time?

But she wasn't always pregnant when the loo was blocked before, or he may not have used toxic chemicals previous times so ...

 

[LBB]

No matter how scared she was of him, did she really let her child live in a cold house and only wash with cold water? Wonder if that is why they spent so much time around Becky's house - using their hot water and heating?

That could be why.

Maybe her own childhood was neglectful and so this didn't seem that abnormal. People talk about cycles of abuse and neglect playing out.

 

[cottonweaver]

I don't think, a weeks worth of snogging at 13 constitutes a "relationship", personally.

Definitely not. Nor is it "evidence" of bisexuality etc.

But you can imagine her lawyer thinks it's relevant - important to get across as the Pros/experienced cops have judged this to be a murder with a sexual motive.
Let's see if Sh backs up NM's testimony that she would also spot the pretty teens for him, in a jokey way.

Speculating in her shoes - ie. Not sure I would want to be "feeding" my OH's peccadilloes/fetish if I personally found that peccadillo distasteful and he wanted me to engage in it the following week.

 

[ColourPurple]

'Nathan would talk about wanting to have sex with teenage girls'

Hoare is asked about Matthews’ attitude towards pretty, teenage girls.
She said: “Occasionally he would make inappropriate comments, saying how he would like to have sex with them.
“He would generally say: ‘I would give them a go’.”
Hoare said she did not like the comments.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6733548

She didn't like these comments yet she joined in with them, in fact instigated them( as seen on the text message and her approaching the girl on facebook)

 

[ColourPurple]

That could be why.

Maybe her own childhood was neglectful and so this didn't seem that abnormal. People talk about cycles of abuse and neglect playing out.

Foster parent's aren't normally neglectful though.

 

[Unique]

Claire Hayhurst ‏@clairehayhurst 1 min1 minute ago
Hoare: Asked about relationship with NM before Becky's death: "It wasn't fantastic but it was better than it had been."

 

[mrazda71]

Shauna texting or pointing out pretty girls could well be a way of getting on Nathan's good side - I used to say things to my ex if I knew he was in a dangerous mood that I knew would sway his mood.

 

[Tortoise]

[h=3]'If someone knocked at the door we wouldn't answer it'[/h]Avon & Somerset Police/PA

Home of Matthews and Hoare in Bristol
The jury heard Matthews was still living “secretly” at Hoare’s home early this year.
Hoare said: “He was extremely paranoid. He wouldn’t let me go out on my own. He would always make sure every door - every bolt - was locked.
“If someone knocked on the door we wouldn’t answer it.
“I just kind of accepted it.”
The jury heard Matthews invented the name “Sophie Cook” to order Chinese takeaway meals.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6733548

 

[ColourPurple]

Definitely not. Nor is it "evidence" of bisexuality etc.

But you can imagine her lawyer thinks it's relevant - important to get across as the Pros/experienced cops have judged this to be a murder with a sexual motive.
Let's see if Sh backs up NM's testimony that she would also spot the pretty teens for him, in a jokey way.

Speculating in her shoes - ie. Not sure I would want to be "feeding" my OH's peccadilloes/fetish if I personally found that peccadillo distasteful and he wanted me to engage in it the following week.

We have the text message evidence that she did tell him about pretty girls, and she approached one they liked on facebook.