GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #11

[TupeloMz]

Gosh it's taking so long to load pages for me - so many cookies on here.

As soon as I finished last post I found this one from Bristol news

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/pictures/beccky/pictures-27974874-detail/pictures.html#40

Better identification of CML vs CL.

No room in Shauna's kitchen to move.
Quite surprised no junk in the garden at all - photo 34
A lounge in name only

Looking at the pics of SH's bathroom, I have doubts NM could even get through the door into the bathroom carrying a body. There seems barly enough room to walk through carrying nothing.

 

[musicaljoke]

If not battery powered, plugging the saw in presents the same power source problem whether it was used in the loft or the bathroom. Perhaps even more of a problem in the bathroom which definitely won't have had a power socket. I have lived in some houses which have electrical sockets in the loft. If no electrical socket in the loft he might have needed an extension cable to provide lighting anyway.

I agree that NM using the saw on a body in the actual bath, with one hand and his eyes closed and leaving no scratches or marks on the bath is just not credible. So if it was done in the bath, I think he had help. If it wasn't done in the bath, maybe he could have managed by himself.

It's a wonder he didn't kill himself by using a power tool in the bath and mixing bleach with other cleaning chemicals! What kind of toxic fumes did he cook up?!

 

[ColourPurple]

He wasn't supposed to be living there, so a garden full of clutter might draw attention to this - even if just complaints about the mess from the neighbours.

Ah true, but things like the kids slide and ride on bike could go outside and not look suspicious.

 

[Cherwell]

I still can't find clarity on this, as I asked yesterday.Was it cleaned at all? Can't find a forensic comment to say it was.

All I can find is this


It's very frustrating. Was hoping to find a forensics saying that either:
the bathroom was almost devoid of all DNA from all 3 occupants suggesting a recent deep cleaning
or, the bathroom showed typical evidence of the 3 occupants but no blood from NM, BW etc.
or another variation, so something could be deduced!

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx...2B8ADC!1477&authkey=!ADtXLjozus6A4Iw&app=Word

Ironic that the boot liner was left inside the mini-oven stored in the bathroom!!!

I'm going by the pictures which clearly show that the bath is spotlessly clean, uncharacteristically so given the state of the rest of the house. I imagine they would also have used the bath themselves subsequently, so more chances to wash any traces away.

 

[cottonweaver]

I thought that was unsual too but if he valued all the clutter, maybe he didn't want it getting wet in the garden?

ETA toddler ride on toys and a slide and what looks like it could be a pop up kids tent, that most people would keep outside or in the shed, are kept in the lounge instead too. It's not like there's room to use them in thee either. It's like somebody took outdoor toys from out of the garden and dumped them in the lounge in a big pile! Theres even a stack of tyres in the lounge rather than outside. Yet the gardens empty!

BIB , Ha! Yes or as my OH just said ( who is dismayed I have got into this trial) "if it was a high crime area he may be worried about stuff in the garden being robbed"
That could be it too.

 

[musicaljoke]

He wasn't supposed to be living there, so a garden full of clutter might draw attention to this - even if just complaints about the mess from the neighbours.

Could be, or maybe they were afraid someone would steal their stuff if it was outside.

 

[Clio]

We now know (from the trial) police "searched" CML before Tuesday 24th but it can't have been much of a search because NM had Becky's body there.

Is it possible that he brought stuff in from the garden into the house, thus making it even more cluttered - in an attempt to stop the police coming in?

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Assuming it was done in the bath tub, for me, the dimensions of a power saw, the bath tub, and a body don't really match together too well. The bath tub seems to small to be able to maneuver the saw in there.

 

[Wallace]

it still doesn't make sense though, I'm not sure they could charge someone with no evidence against them but suspicion.

It's perfectly normal for the Police to ask those type of questions but you would expect a solicitor to advise their client that they didn't need to prove anything. An extreme result of that advice is the answer of 'no comment' to every question. The Police will happily encourage a suspect to talk and dig a hole for themselves.

 

[Wallace]

We now know (from the trial) police "searched" CML before Tuesday 24th but it can't have been much of a search because NM had Becky's body there.

Is it possible that he brought stuff in from the garden into the house, thus making it even more cluttered - in an attempt to stop the police coming in?

Entirely possible but from the testimony given by NM and SH it sounds like the house was already extremely cluttered.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Probably something that her solicitor has said to her.

On a separate note I found it odd that her solicitor allowed the line of questioning that the interviews were taking. The interviewer said that SH needed to prove that she wasn't involved. It's up to the Police to prove that she was, it's not up to her to prove that she wasn't. Was really surprised that her solicitor did not interrupt and point that out.

Was this pre-charges though? I got the impression the point the interviewer was making was (as an example) "look we have an awful lot that points to you being part of this.......tell me why we shouldn't charge you?"

 

[Alyce]

Entirely possible but from the testimony given by NM and SH it sounds like the house was already extremely cluttered.

There was a quote from a police officer ( will have a look later for the link ) where he said the house was so cluttered it was not possible to do a search. I think this referred to the first visit ( pre Feb 24 ).

I also remember the joke ( either on here or elsewhere ) of someone saying - note to burglars, just clutter up your house and you wont get searched.
But in fact that could be exactly what NM and SH did...added even more clutter to deter or stall searching by the police.

 

[Clio]

There was a quote from a police officer ( will have a look later for the link ) where he said the house was so cluttered it was not possible to do a search. I think this referred to the first visit ( pre Feb 24 ).

I also remember the joke ( either on here or elsewhere ) of someone saying - note to burglars, just clutter up your house and you wont get searched.
But in fact that could be exactly what NM and SH did...added even more clutter to deter or stall searching by the police.

Indeed. What other credible reason is there for a hoarder such as NM to have a totally clear garden, given that we now know he was hiding a dismembered body in his house and probably hadn't fully "sanitised" the bathroom (or wherever the dismemberment was done) yet?

 

[Clio]

Looking at the pics of SH's bathroom, I have doubts NM could even get through the door into the bathroom carrying a body. There seems barly enough room to walk through carrying nothing.

It wasn't necessarily like that when police finally got in to do a routine missing persons search on Tuesday 24th Feb though. The photos will be from after SH/NM were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping on 28th Feb.

 

[cottonweaver]

I realise that NM wouldn't have done the dismember outside in the garden due to being overlooked by neighbours on all sides but what struck me about the garden was also that there is not a single piece of "litter" out there and they have a toddler, not even a single toy.

When I look at the police photos of the house there is ( beyond the hoarding) stuff dropped everywhere. All down the staircase, drinks can next to bath, packaging, clothes ...........


http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/pictures/beccky/pictures-27974874-detail/pictures.html#26

 

[Clio]

I thought that was unsual too but if he valued all the clutter, maybe he didn't want it getting wet in the garden?

ETA toddler ride on toys and a slide and what looks like it could be a pop up kids tent, that most people would keep outside or in the shed, are kept in the lounge instead too. It's not like there's room to use them in thee either. It's like somebody took outdoor toys from out of the garden and dumped them in the lounge in a big pile! Theres even a stack of tyres in the lounge rather than outside. Yet the gardens empty!

Didn't NM say that the blue box was stored in the lounge? Maybe that's why he needed to bring the tyres inside?

 

[sar2them1984]

Could be, or maybe they were afraid someone would steal their stuff if it was outside.

Or perhaps they weren't there enough to use the garden,, or they couldn't get to it to access it...could be a number of reasons. IMO there's nothing relevant to it

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[TupeloMz]

It wasn't necessarily like that when police finally got in to do a routine missing persons search on Tuesday 24th Feb though. The photos will be from after SH/NM were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping on 28th Feb.

Oh. Sorry. I thought these were actual evidence photos.

 

[Clio]

Oh. Sorry. I thought these were actual evidence photos.

I think they are evidence photos. But they will have been taken after NM/SH were in custody. By the time these photos were taken, the body etc had been packaged up and hidden in a shed at another property some days previously. There were several days between the first full house search for a missing person (24th Feb) and NM/SH's initial arrest (28th Feb).

 

[ColourPurple]

We now know (from the trial) police "searched" CML before Tuesday 24th but it can't have been much of a search because NM had Becky's body there.

Is it possible that he brought stuff in from the garden into the house, thus making it even more cluttered - in an attempt to stop the police coming in?

Argh I was about to say one thing I couldn't see was the big blue plastic box NM referred to and that maybe they'd thrown toys from the garden on top.... then I remembered it had all been moved to the shed by the time these pics were taken.

Maybe to avoid police seeing that they'd moved some large items out of the lounge since they last visited, they did put in toys from outside in place of what had been moved? Not that I think police would have noticed, but NM wouldnt know that and th elast thing he'd want to hear would be "Wheres that big blue box gone that was here before?"

ETA, Id I'd have read on I'd have seen we're all on the same page about the stuff already being moved etc. lol