GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #11

[Tortoise]

Could be. I'd thought it was the heavy blue plastic box but that's apparently downstairs, it might even have been the cooker in the bathroom , was it definitely upstairs?

could have been the cooker too. yes she said it was upstairs.

 

[Cherwell]

It isn't only the accused - I'd have given the claim less credence if it were - it's Becky's father as well. From the Crimes Against Children Facebook page:

Statement read from Darren Galsworthy, Becky's dad: "Rebecca was very rude, abusive and disrespectful to Anjie". Anjie,her stepmum has MS. [...] Around Christmas 2014 they had a row when she was being particularly disrespectful. She was asked to leave home, left for a bit.

SH said only that this had happened on several occasions. I'm inclined to give her statements on this more credence than I otherwise might (including, for example, her statement on DG's will, which could easily have been confirmed or refuted with AG) because they're confirmed in part by DG himself.

Note "asked to leave home", not "kicked out". My bet is that arrangements would have been made for her to stay for a while with her mother, grandparent or other relative. No one is denying that something like this happened, it's not uncommon with stroppy teenagers, but she won't have been "thrown out" on to the street with nowhere to go.

 

[cottonweaver]

Does anyone think that's what the neighbour heard - the trolley with the case on it being pulled up the stairs and being wheeled across the floor?

She said it was upstairs and it was a wooden floor iirc.

I don't recall seeing a wooden floor upstairs. I wonder which is the adjoining wall for her house?

where was wooden floor mentioned? Uk Eire FB site?

Sarah Webb, a neighbour of Nathan Matthews and Shauna Hoare, has told the court of she heard loud noises coming from the couple’s home on February 19 - the day of Becky’s death.

She told the court she could hear a “very heavy” object which sounded like a suitcase being dragged across the floor and shouting.

She said: “(I heard) lots of running up and down the stairs very, very quickly.

“He said a single word, I couldn’t work out what it was.

“I assumed they were doing DIY and as for shouting, people do have arguments.”

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx...2B8ADC!1477&authkey=!ADtXLjozus6A4Iw&app=Word

 

[ColourPurple]

Yes, that's why I mentioned it. She denied, when asked that the pair had ever used them in sex together and said they just dangled off the bar.

I am not sure personally that BW was suspended from that, originally poster was asking something along those lines.
I do, however, think NM is a sexual compulsive with some dark fetishes and I assume when he bought them he had some fantasy in mind but interestingly they never used them together, she says.
(I think they were probably bit bored with each other on that front.)

He was wearing handcuffs in his prisoner fancy dress outfit so could just be those

 

[Tortoise]

where was wooden floor mentioned? Uk Eire FB site?



https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx...2B8ADC!1477&authkey=!ADtXLjozus6A4Iw&app=Word

"There was lots of running up and down the stairs very, very quickly, banging, slamming doors, scraping, furniture being moved, a suitcase being rolled across a wooden floor which was upstairs," she told the court.
"I remember thinking it was annoying because I wanted to put my little one down for a nap and with the banging she was finding it difficult to sleep.
"There was one voice at one point, a man's voice. He said one single word, I couldn't work out what it was.
"It sounded like the bed was being lifted across the floor, like something heavy was being dragged.
"It was unusual, we never heard anything from them."
Mrs Webb said she believed the noises happened between 11am and 2pm on February 19.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-neighbour-6596349

 

[Tortoise]

the neighbours statement does make it sound like they were in a real hurry. and it couldn't have been the next day when NM was there by himself as he wouldn't have been talking to himself, unless it was when he cut his hand, but then presumably she'd have heard the power saw as well if it was the Friday.

 

[Tortoise]

I am more convinced than ever that she didn't get her dates wrong.

 

[Kaly99]

Note "asked to leave home", not "kicked out". My bet is that arrangements would have been made for her to stay for a while with her mother, grandparent or other relative. No one is denying that something like this happened, it's not uncommon with stroppy teenagers, but she won't have been "thrown out" on to the street with nowhere to go.

I'd hardly expect a statement by her father read out in court to say "I kicked Becky out of home for a bit". But I suspect "she was asked to leave" is a somewhat polite restatement of the actual words used.

I think it more likely she went to her boyfriend's or a friend's, as she appears to have been in the habit of doing that anyway. That seems to me more probable for a teenager than going to her mum's and saying "Dad's asked me to leave home again".

 

[cottonweaver]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-neighbour-6596349

LOL - nothing to paste.

Anyway, I'm thinking that it may be an impression of the sound Ms Webb heard, Webb describing.
ie. a sound akin to dragging case against a wooden floor IF Webb has never been at SH's house and IF there are no upstairs wooden floors at SH's - both of which are plausible, from the photos and the lack of visitors to CML.

It's rather difficult isn't it as on this trial thread we are speculating "blind" based on what are at best a sketchy precis, collections of tweets and a few, sometimes inaccurate news reports. We don't have the luxury of a live feed and a shorthand court journo giving us almost a transcript.

 

[Cherwell]

I'd hardly expect a statement by her father read out in court to say "I kicked Becky out of home for a bit". But I suspect "she was asked to leave" is a somewhat polite restatement of the actual words used.

I think it more likely she went to her boyfriend's or a friend's, as she appears to have been in the habit of doing that anyway. That seems to me more probable for a teenager than going to her mum's and saying "Dad's asked me to leave home again".

My point being that she had somewhere to go. Very different from being "kicked out" which implies the opposite.

 

[Tortoise]

LOL - nothing to paste.

Anyway, I'm thinking that it may be an impression of the sound Ms Webb heard, Webb describing.
ie. a sound akin to dragging case against a wooden floor IF Webb has never been at SH's house and IF there are no upstairs wooden floors at SH's - both of which are plausible, from the photos and the lack of visitors to CML.

It's rather difficult isn't it as on this trial thread we are speculating "blind" based on what are at best a sketchy precis, collections of tweets and a few, sometimes inaccurate news reports. We don't have the luxury of a live feed and a shorthand court journo giving us almost a transcript.

yes, I agree with you.

the adjoining wall could be the stair wall - which is also the bath-side wall of the bathroom I think.

 

[ColourPurple]

perhaps he subconsciously wants SH to be found out?

or, he consciously wants her found out and is doing it in a sly way - making it obvious he couldn't have done anything on his own and hinting as to where they can catch SH out, but in a way where he hasn't actually stated it.

A.

Might be or he might just have been acknowledging that he knows thats where he messed things up. Let's see if pros make any mention of it on SH Monday. I read on Uk and Eire that NM might be called back to the stand too and that its a psychological move to do so. Don't know how true that is.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Tortoise- can you explain your new a-ha moment with the whole door slamming incident again? I feel like I am missing something.

 

[ColourPurple]

LOL - nothing to paste.

Anyway, I'm thinking that it may be an impression of the sound Ms Webb heard, Webb describing.
ie. a sound akin to dragging case against a wooden floor IF Webb has never been at SH's house and IF there are no upstairs wooden floors at SH's - both of which are plausible, from the photos and the lack of visitors to CML.

It's rather difficult isn't it as on this trial thread we are speculating "blind" based on what are at best a sketchy precis, collections of tweets and a few, sometimes inaccurate news reports. We don't have the luxury of a live feed and a shorthand court journo giving us almost a transcript.

I've always thought the bathroom looked like hard flooring like lino, or someone else mentioned some kind of non slip floor covering that housing associations use. A cooker being moved across that might make a noise.

 

[Kaly99]

My point being that she had somewhere to go. Very different from being "kicked out" which implies the opposite.

I disagree: "kicked out" implies she was kicked out of or "asked to leave" that house (the former implying it was done with somewhat more urgency than the latter). It says nothing at all about whether she had anywhere else to go.

"They kicked me out so I moved into my friend's place". No contradiction there as far as I can see.

 

[Gigi-G]

I don't believe him about the drain cleaner. He bought drain cleaner 12:20pm on Feb 20th. He bought the saw at 12:51pm on Feb 20th. There is no time for him to try using the drain cleaner to "dissolve the body" before realising it wasn't working and then buying the saw.

I still don't believe the bath was the place of dismemberment. Given rigor. A body's dead weight. It would of been a cumbersome ordeal if it were true. The Circular saw. You bring the blade down onto the item to be cut. So it would of had to of been on some kind of flattened surface. I don't think there would be enough room in that bath for a body and the drill to allow for such accurate dissection. Imo

 

[cottonweaver]

I'm finding it difficult to get a link to the Path stating est time of Becky's death. (While we are entertaining the idea that the duo or NM alone brought BW body DOA back to the house 11am- 2pm to match Webb's noises)

I can't find it on the OneDrive docus for 14 Oct nor on
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6631230

Anyone have it ?

 

[ColourPurple]

Is anyone else having problems with the site going really slow. Can't work out if it's websleuths or the laptop I'm using

 

[cottonweaver]

I've always thought the bathroom looked like hard flooring like lino, or someone else mentioned some kind of non slip floor covering that housing associations use. A cooker being moved across that might make a noise.

Yes, sorry I missed your post.
I looked at that, it's the blue lino - hard stuff you get in LA/HAssoc flats etc - I know cause I lived in one long time ago. No cushioning to it - so absolutely it could make similar noises as wood floor if she is describing a trundling like suitcases.

Strange though isn't it- I 'd like to find the best account out there of what Webb heard - the voices rowing and the male voice saying one word. ( Being really nit-picky I'd like to know if it sounds like a wheeled suitcase moving across "wood" or some kind of planking as that gives a different rhythmic sound as it crosses each plank gap. Ignore this, just thinking out loud. Mind going back to loft again even though I'd ruled it out!)

 

[cottonweaver]

Is anyone else having problems with the site going really slow. Can't work out if it's websleuths or the laptop I'm using

Been like that for me all night and bizarrely just speeded up! I have put a blocker on but it's not making any difference.