GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #11

[Tortoise]

Tortoise- can you explain your new a-ha moment with the whole door slamming incident again? I feel like I am missing something.

I'll do my best to

NM said last week that he made one BIG mistake in telling Anjie that he was in the kitchen when the front door slammed. Now we know this in itself hasn't caused him a problem - his lie wasn't the reason he was caught, his fingerprint was, so it's not as if him being in the hall and slamming the door proves something worse for him - like it was murder and not an accidental death for instance.

So in considering why he thinks it was a big mistake, the only thing he can mean is that his story to Anjie has caused a problem for Shauna. Shauna MUST have heard him telling Anjie he was in the kitchen and MUST have backed him up on that at the time.

That is a problem for Shauna because it is now known that NM wasn't in the kitchen, the door slamming wasn't Becky, it was him.

This means that she knew he was lying to Anjie on the day Becky was killed. She had a good reason therefore to suspect he had done something, or she was in on the whole thing and they hadn't got their stories straight, thinking they wouldn't ever be caught in this lie.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[ColourPurple]

I had a thought about why JI might be pleading not guilty to assisting an offender... could it be because JI was never dealing directly with the "offender " NM.

KD was the one who made a deal with NM and then it was KD who asked JI to help as he had a van. So JI was doing KD a favour rather than doing something direcly for NM

 

[Cherwell]

I disagree: "kicked out" implies she was kicked out of or "asked to leave" that house (the former implying it was done with somewhat more urgency than the latter). It says nothing at all about whether she had anywhere else to go.

"They kicked me out so I moved into my friend's place". No contradiction there as far as I can see.

Well, she did have somewhere else to go, probably several options, so it's hardly the same as making your teenage daughter homeless and destitute. That was my point, whatever terminology is used.

 

[Scorpio5]

I don't know if its possible for South West Water to be able to tell that there was an increase in water supply on a certain date, that would determine the clean up and possibly dismembering of young Becky The house will 99% have a water meter judging by the age.

I also wonder if the purchase of the saw and cleaning stuff didn't happen the night of the day that Becky was taken from her house because his/her/their benefit hadn't gone into the bank.

 

[Tortoise]

I'm finding it difficult to get a link to the Path stating est time of Becky's death. (While we are entertaining the idea that the duo or NM alone brought BW body DOA back to the house 11am- 2pm to match Webb's noises)

I can't find it on the OneDrive docus for 14 Oct nor on
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6631230

Anyone have it ?

don't think I've ever seen it mentioned?

 

[ColourPurple]

Been like that for me all night and bizarrely just speeded up! I have put a blocker on but it's not making any difference.

Yes! Mine's just speeded up a bit too. It's been slower than dial up till then. I look like I've been really stingy with thanking people tonight but it's taken all my time just to load pages lol

 

[cottonweaver]

I had a thought about why JI might be pleading not guilty to assisting an offender... could it be because JI was never dealing directly with the "offender " NM.

KD was the one who made a deal with NM and then it was KD who asked JI to help as he had a van. So JI was doing KD a favour rather than doing something direcly for NM

At a total tangent to your point but involving Barton Court:

I last linked to D.Mirror article, it noted the Barton Hill neighbour said he thought it was odd that he had not seen the two dogs in the back garden for about 2 days prior to finding remains in shed ( March 2nd?)

It has struck me a couple of times. Dogs obviously have supreme noses, doesn't matter how well wrapped something is, it implied for me perhaps the dogs had been showing attention at the shed and had been kept in. Obviously if this were true it implies the occupants were suspecting something more sinister about the contents at that stage.

( Naturally I have come to this trial late so I may be re-hashing something already discounted on here)

 

[cottonweaver]

don't think I've ever seen it mentioned?

Strange and the thread users have been following this trial for a while?
Has it been withheld? Makes no sense.

 

[Clio]

WS is awful tonight. Almost impossible to post anything.

As an aside, is there a reason posters are on first name terms with the people involved? People being referred to as Shauna and Nathan rather than SH & NM. I thought it was a WS ToS thing to use initials but maybe not.

 

[ColourPurple]

At a total tangent to your point but involving Barton Court:

I last linked to D.Mirror article, it noted the Barton Hill neighbour said he thought it was odd that he had not seen the two dogs in the back garden for about 2 days prior to finding remains in shed ( March 2nd?)

It has struck me a couple of times. Dogs obviously have supreme noses, doesn't matter how well wrapped something is, it implied for me perhaps the dogs had been showing attention at the shed and had been kept in. Obviously if this were true it implies the occupants were suspecting something more sinister about the contents at that stage.

( Naturally I have come to this trial late so I may be re-hashing something already discounted on here)

There were a few views on it. That it would be more suspicious if the dogs were kept out of the garden as soon as the packages were put in the shed, but less suspicious if they were let out at first then kept in when they started to react. We discussed whether they could have thought it was drugs the dogs reacted to rather than a body (reacting out of curiosity rather than alerting like drug dogs)

It was discussed whether people wouldve been able to smell something but the police officer who found the packages said there was no smell apparent when he went in the shed, as they were so well packed, also salt had been used to preserve.

 

[ColourPurple]

WS is awful tonight. Almost impossible to post anything.

As an aside, is there a reason posters are on first name terms with the people involved? People being referred to as Shauna and Nathan rather than SH & NM. I thought it was a WS ToS thing to use initials but maybe not.

I tend to use Becky's full name but everyone else's initials , unless I'm having a "senior moment" lol and forget their initials

 

[Tortoise]

WS is awful tonight. Almost impossible to post anything.

As an aside, is there a reason posters are on first name terms with the people involved? People being referred to as Shauna and Nathan rather than SH & NM. I thought it was a WS ToS thing to use initials but maybe not.

I didn't know that. Thanks I will use initials from now on.

 

[Tortoise]

Had never seen this bit before -

[FONT=open_sans]Friday, February 20:[/FONT]
[FONT=open_sans]Matthews texted his work and said he was not coming in as he had a problem with his car.[/FONT]
[FONT=open_sans]A device belonging to either Matthews or Hoare is used to search a concern over a pregnancy.[/FONT]
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Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...tory-27953184-detail/story.html#ixzz3qBrctoLs
Follow us: @BristolPost on Twitter | bristolpost on Facebook

Also from the same article -

Monday, February 23:
Police try to get into Cotton Mill Lane in the morning. The curtains were drawn and no one answers the door.
6pm: Officers go back to Cotton Mill Lane. They are not home. They ring the couple and try to persuade them to return home and let them into their property so it can be searched. They agree to talk to officers at Southmead instead as they won't come back to Cotton Mill Lane, saying they have dinner plans.



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[cottonweaver]

WS is awful tonight. Almost impossible to post anything.

As an aside, is there a reason posters are on first name terms with the people involved? People being referred to as Shauna and Nathan rather than SH & NM. I thought it was a WS ToS thing to use initials but maybe not.

BIB Def not stipulated in ToS, I think people should write the names how they wish, I skip between two for no reason really.

 

[Clio]

I didn't know that. Thanks I will use initials from now on.

I was just curious- other posters have been doing it too. Usually, it's only the victim who is referred to by name and everyone else by initials. At least on threads that I've followed before, mainly related to UK crimes. I thought it was a ToS thing or something to do with anonymity and wondered why it was different in this case.

 

[ColourPurple]

Had never seen this bit before -

[FONT=open_sans]Friday, February 20:[/FONT]
[FONT=open_sans]Matthews texted his work and said he was not coming in as he had a problem with his car.[/FONT]
[FONT=open_sans]A device belonging to either Matthews or Hoare is used to search a concern over a pregnancy.[/FONT]
[FONT=open_sans]

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...tory-27953184-detail/story.html#ixzz3qBrctoLs
Follow us: @BristolPost on Twitter | bristolpost on Facebook

Also from the same article -

Monday, February 23:
Police try to get into Cotton Mill Lane in the morning. The curtains were drawn and no one answers the door.
6pm: Officers go back to Cotton Mill Lane. They are not home. They ring the couple and try to persuade them to return home and let them into their property so it can be searched. They agree to talk to officers at Southmead instead as they won't come back to Cotton Mill Lane, saying they have dinner plans.



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I hadn't noticed he pregnancy concern either.

I wonder how they explained the police arriving at SH's mothers to speak to them. Not seen that mentioned.

 

[Tortoise]

So when did the police go in while the blue box was there? it has to have been either Sat or Sun, while they were/he was dismembering the body and wrapping it up!

 

[mrazda71]

Yes, that's why I mentioned it. She denied, when asked that the pair had ever used them in sex together and said they just dangled off the bar.

I am not sure personally that BW was suspended from that, originally poster was asking something along those lines.
I do, however, think NM is a sexual compulsive with some dark fetishes and I assume when he bought them he had some fantasy in mind but interestingly they never used them together, she says.
(I think they were probably bit bored with each other on that front.)

Couldn't they have just been a part of his fancy dress outfit?

 

[Tortoise]

I hadn't noticed he pregnancy concern either.

I wonder how they explained the police arriving at SH's mothers to speak to them. Not seen that mentioned.

I'd seen that mentioned before. It must have looked very odd but I don't think her mum/step-dad mentioned it in evidence - perhaps they sneaked outside to talk to police without them noticing.

 

[sar2them1984]

WS is awful tonight. Almost impossible to post anything.

As an aside, is there a reason posters are on first name terms with the people involved? People being referred to as Shauna and Nathan rather than SH & NM. I thought it was a WS ToS thing to use initials but maybe not.

I've known both to be used in other cases I've followed - I don't believe there is a hard or fast rule. Doesn't really make a difference...

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