GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #12

[jessie]

Unrelated, but some interesting reading regarding the how a man would struggle to carry a suitcase with a person (female) inside it.

And, awful, but how it might actually be possible to get a live person inside a suitcase (thought it appears, thankfully, that this lady would have been deeply unconscious).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...an-body-suitcase-London-canal-goes-trial.html

Very interesting (if gruesome) link so thanks.

They say in that link "a large suitcase" and she appeared to be about RW's height and build from the details.
The red suitcase we've seen that NM says he used isn't large by any means though is it?

Quite a medium case I think, and I've never been able to understand how he could have managed to get her inside it - apart from his stupid testimony that that was his great idea at the start.

I'm taller than RW was, but there is now way I could get in a medium suitcase.
Rambling now, but my point is it's just not possible to cram someone into a little suitcase as he wants us to believe.

eta - to clarify, his own testimony is off from the start.

 

[ColourPurple]

Isn't it simply to do with AG. We know he told AG he heard a door slam as the reason for thinking Becky had gone out. One he'd said that, he couldn't retract it. Whatever it was that happened, I don't think it was planned for Becky to die in that house at that time, if at all. When AG got back from hospital, she probably asked about Becky and maybe that was the first thing that came to mind to explain how he/they knew she'd gone out.

We know he used it to tell AG but in his reasoning for doing it it was so SH would hear the door slam and know Becky had gone out. Just seems an extra pointless unneccessary step to have taken, if SH was innocent. (not that I actually think it was taken)

 

[Clio]

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[Clio]

We know he used it to tell AG but in his reasoning for doing it it was so SH would hear the door slam and know Becky had gone out. Just seems an extra pointless unneccessary step to have taken, if SH was innocent. (not that I actually think it was taken)

Deters anybody going upstairs to look?

 

[TupeloMz]

Very interesting (if gruesome) link so thanks.

They say in that link "a large suitcase" and she appeared to be about RW's height and build from the details.
The red suitcase we've seen that NM says he used isn't large by any means though is it?

Quite a medium case I think, and I've never been able to understand how he could have managed to get her inside it - apart from his stupid testimony that that was his great idea at the start.

I'm taller than RW was, but there is now way I could get in a medium suitcase.
Rambling now, but my point is it's just not possible to cram someone into a little suitcase as he wants us to believe.

eta - to clarify, his own testimony is off from the start.

I have had serious doubts about him putting her in that suitcase myself. Plus didn't he say he put her and the bed covering in there?. Imo she alone would not fit in there. I think the suitcase was made up so it would be more believable that SH did not know BW was in the car. Moo.

 

[ColourPurple]

Deters anybody going upstairs to look?

But according to SH they never discussed that she'd heard the door shut whern she came in from the kitchen so he had no way of knowing if she'd heard it over the tap running in the kitchen and Cbeebies in the lounge. I think I'm going to drive myself mad if I try to get inside NM's head aren't I!

 

[ColourPurple]

Just thought what poetic justice it would be if they did make the whole kidnap back story up and then ended up being convicted of conspiracy to kidnap in addition to what they could have been convicted of without the kidnap story.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Just thinking about Tupelo's post re her sister, and thinking of a couple of friends of ours where one seems to totally dominate the other (and not in a really bad way, just an "under the thumb" kinda way... e.g. my best friend, her poor husband doesn't get a say in anything, made a rod for his own back I say, but I love him as much as her and it works for them so hey ho!). Then that got me thinking to my own husband. Last year we renovated the cellar and my hubby did lots of the boring (but costly) prep work himself. This involved several evenings and weekends of him being down in the cellar. I rarely went down there because it was either dusty or being chemically treated, and would shout down to him to see how he was doing, or leave a cuppa at the top of the stairs. For all I know he could have been doing anything down there, various power tools on and off, rubble sacks full of "something", fumes, grazes on his hands, trips to the tip etc. I'd have missed the lot.

But that was a cellar, rooms that I never used, I had no reason to go down there unless a fuse blew. If it had been the family bathroom (and yes we have a dowstairs loo but upstairs is comfier ) and he'd been in there for hours with the door locked, he'd have got a "WTF ARE YOU DOING IN THERE?!" not least because that's where the shower is.

Did SH not wash from Thursday to Tuesday?? It just doesn't seem right that she'd hear/see nothing in their house where the bathroom is next to the bedrooms, the landing is small, it's new so noise would carry through thin walls. She must have been confined to one or two rooms, with a toddler in tow, noise and clutter everywhere, it's a depressing thought whether she knew what he was doing or not.

 

[Hexenb]

[h=3]'We told relatives we were having job interviews - not speaking to police'[/h]When the pair went for video interviews with the police, they lied to relatives that they were going for job interviews, the jury heard.
Hoare said the idea to lie about the interviews came from Matthews.
She said he did not want her to talk to people about Becky.
The jury heard the couple were later arrested at Hoare’s mum’s house in Bristol.
Asked about her reaction to the arrest, Hoare said: “Originally complete shock.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6750182

Why lie if they had nothing to hide this was her mum all far too suspicious!

 

[TupeloMz]

Didn't SH say NM was only in the bathroom working for about an hour each day? If that were me I would ask him the first time he came out of there if he was finished and if he said no I would tell him to get his behind back in there and finish up! Lol
But no...SH said he was finished a while before she asked him if she could use the bathroom now and he said yes.
Why wouldn't he tell her immediately that he was finished?
Why would he only work an hour each day (iirc)?
Boggles the mind.

 

[Hexenb]

Yes, because it's really funny to laugh about someone who, by that time, had been missing for 5 days and was the subject of family worry and searches in Bristol..... SH totally disgusts me

Exactly what did she find so funny not really a laughing matter a missing 16 year old girl

 

[Jinkasaurus]

I feel like the prosecutor is letting her get away with this. Why is there no questioning of conflicting statements she has made?

 

[jessie]

I feel like the prosecutor is letting her get away with this. Why is there no questioning of conflicting statements she has made?

I only hope he will begin on that tomorrow. She may, unwittingly, have dug herself into a hole with her answers so far. (I hope)

 

[Jinkasaurus]

I do see, though, that he makes his argument in the form of his question, so he doesn't need to rely on her answer (because he knows she is a liar). For example, if he says "So you are just completely oblivious to everything going on in your house?" - he is making his point to the jury, and it doesn't matter if she says yes or no.

Does that make sense?

 

[MamaJoJo]

I do see, though, that he makes his argument in the form of his question, so he doesn't need to rely on her answer (because he knows she is a liar). For example, if he says "So you are just completely oblivious to everything going on in your house?" - he is making his point to the jury, and it doesn't matter if she says yes or no.

Does that make sense?

I get what you are saying. For me, though, the prosecutor sort of comes off as sarcastic and she simply is saying, "Uh, no, that's not accurate." If he chose to question her more thoroughly with questions in which she'd have to do some explaining of the events of the week, I think she may just dig herself a hole that she can't get out of. What I can't tell from the tweets and the news articles is actually how the jury is reacting. Are their eyes rolling? Are they over (what I believe to be) her lies? Or, are they seeming sympathetic to her plight?

 

[Alyce]

I feel like the prosecutor is letting her get away with this. Why is there no questioning of conflicting statements she has made?

There was a note on the uk and Eire page saying that the conflicting statements ( so far ! ) had all been brought back up by Pros today.

Am sure there is much more being said than we are getting via the tweets.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

There was a note on the uk and Eire page saying that the conflicting statements ( so far ! ) had all been brought back up by Pros today.

Am sure there is much more being said than we are getting via the tweets.

Yes, its hard to remember that we are getting just the tiniest bits of info about this trial by tweet. It seems that the info that Tortoise has been posting seems to have more detail to it - I think its text from a website rather than tweets.

 

[jessie]

There was a note on the uk and Eire page saying that the conflicting statements ( so far ! ) had all been brought back up by Pros today.

Am sure there is much more being said than we are getting via the tweets.

Isn't that so frustrating for us here. !

 

[Hexenb]

I wonder what makes her remember on that particular night that NW was in a slightly better mood than usual, I can't remember my own moods yesterday let alone a partners. Was this the same night as the" You want to hide a body" night?
Meant to quote meaning the night of the 19th

 

[musicaljoke]

I have had serious doubts about him putting her in that suitcase myself. Plus didn't he say he put her and the bed covering in there?. Imo she alone would not fit in there. I think the suitcase was made up so it would be more believable that SH did not know BW was in the car. Moo.

The bed covering was a duvet, was it not? That would nearly fill a suitcase by itself.