GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #12

[PrimeSuspect]

And SH had the audacity to suggest in one of her early police interviews (no link handy) that when she & NM got a lift home from her Mom's home that she was a little bit afraid, nervous, it was dark---about the driver & his friend. She subtly suggests it (her initial nervousness about the other 2 men in the car) perhaps testing how it'll go over. She pondered whether it was KD, perhaps...mentioning one of the men in the car was biracial.

Then we learn she had met not only KD, but his GF, JP at a BD party she & Nathan had been invited to.

She's the Energizer Bunny of pathological liars...she hasn't run out of juice yet

When I read that it was light bulb moment too! :liar:

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Where it all began for SH at least, is her story the truth or a lie? I searched for these pics of Becky's backyard because I needed to visualize once again where SH was during the assault and murder of Becky. SH's explanation doesn't ring true. She's given the court the rundown on her 'unusual' relationship with NM, but this doesn't explain why she stood out in the rain having a cigarette for nearly 20 minutes.

Does anyone know if the window above the conservatory is where Becky's room is?

The rabbit hutch.

It would only take a few minutes to feed a rabbit especially if it was raining. As posters have mentioned numerous times, why not smoke in the conservatory? It's cold and raining outside for pete's sake!

Obviously, the reason she can't say she was in the conservatory is because it's within hearing distance of any commotion happening inside, especially if the window above the conservatory is Becky's.

SH said yesterday that she heard faint sound of music but no yelling or sounds of a scuffle.

http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tts/pictures-27974917-detail/pictures.html#28

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Morning Prime!

Going off the floor plans that I posted last thread, Becky's room is one of 2 at the back of the house. So, I think yes, that probably is her window, but it could also be just round the side of the house, to the left as you look at that picture.



I should clarify, these floor plans were taken from identical properties from the area. The only difference (I believe) is that Beckys house has a corridor from the living room to the back door - either it has been taken out of all the other houses, or, more likely, the wall has been added in to their house.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Please do not take this as me defending SH but...they could have been arguing because she wanted to go to bed and he and his idiot friends were preventing that from happening. Why she would lie about that, though, is another question. Does she think that is a better play? She is blanketly denying being awake. Who else could it have been if not SH?

She has painted such a picture of her being totally controlled and dominated, having to ask permission to have a cigarette, begging for money to buy food and saying she was too scared to cause arguments. So if all of what she said is true, then for her to be 'brave' enough to have an argument and actually tell him to 'get out' (if that part is correct) then I would assume a far bigger event has happened than just her being fed up that his mates were around.

The relationship, as she tells it, has him making all the decisions and her meekly going along with them. If she didn't have the courage to stop him turning her house into a complete rubbish tip, and if she didn't have the courage to take control back of her money, I can't imagine she had the courage to shout at him that she didn't want his friends around.

 

[sar2them1984]

How do we know that she was "cool, calm and collected"? We can't tell from a 'tweet' what her demeanor was while being cross examined? Or has it been said that's how she was and I've missed it?

In hindsight, maybe we should've set up a rota and had a Websleuther in the gallery each day, reporting back

That would have been a most excellent idea!

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[CoverMeCagney]

Someone remind me whose house they were in when JI allegedly witnessed the shouting incident?

If it was at CML, and we know NM went to great lengths to stop people coming into the house, I am sure SH must have known something big was going off when JI & KD turned up as it would be very unusual to have people there.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I still don't believe her explanation for going to her Mums!

I think she was looking for somewhere to leave her children if she ended up in prison, or dump her daughter if she ended up going on the run with NM. It would have been a place of convenience for them to hide, if the police hadn't found out where they were and tracked them down on their first night.

She didn't have a very good childhood though. She was in care for years, and when she went back to her mum's to live, she was allowed to have NM stay over, when she was still only 15 and he was in his 20's. Would she really want that type of life for her daughter? Remember, her mother had more than one child put into care. She isn't exactly mother of the year. SH's relationship with NM started when she was far too young to be involved with a man that age, and the relationship isn't a healthy one. A good parent would have put a block on that, not encouraged it! Her life would likely have turned out very differently had she been parented differently.

She speaks highly of Anjie's kindness - and of that family coming together for Becky - I'd have thought she would have rather have had that family take care of her daughter - bearing in mind Anjie is the child's grandmother.

Not sure if that would at all be possible, with DG having to take in the child of the people who killed his daughter though.

Personally, I think if SH is found guilty of murder, along with NM, the little girl would be better off being adopted outside of all the families, with a new name and a new identify and growing up without the pressure of her parents' crime on her shoulders. Of course, she'd find out eventually, but not at a time it would damage her development.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

fftopic:

While we're all here, please can you all subscribe to the UK cases link (in my sig below) and help keep it up to date with any new threads. I have missed a couple of cases lately and only stumbled upon them by chance, there are probably others as yet unseen. Anyone can add to it, and if you're subscribed it will come up in your list whenever a new case is listed.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Morning Prime!

Going off the floor plans that I posted last thread, Becky's room is one of 2 at the back of the house. So, I think yes, that probably is her window, but it could also be just round the side of the house, to the left as you look at that picture.

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I should clarify, these floor plans were taken from identical properties from the area. The only difference (I believe) is that Beckys house has a corridor from the living room to the back door - either it has been taken out of all the other houses, or, more likely, the wall has been added in to their house.

Morning CoverMeCagney TY for reposting these, gives a clearer picture.

Hmmm, both windows face the backyard. I hope this was brought to the attention of the jury members on their walk through.

Imo, this alone looks bad for SH. She either knew the plan, whatever ridiculous plan that was, or she witnessed something and was in up to her neck! NM then sets in motion his new plan, to dispose of the body. JMO

 

[YidArmyRach]

Where it all began for SH at least, is her story the truth or a lie? I searched for these pics of Becky's backyard because I needed to visualize once again where SH was during the assault and murder of Becky. SH's explanation doesn't ring true. She's given the court the rundown on her 'unusual' relationship with NM, but this doesn't explain why she stood out in the rain having a cigarette for nearly 20 minutes.

Does anyone know if the window above the conservatory is where Becky's room is?

The rabbit hutch.

It would only take a few minutes to feed a rabbit especially if it was raining. As posters have mentioned numerous times, why not smoke in the conservatory? It's cold and raining outside for pete's sake!

Obviously, the reason she can't say she was in the conservatory is because it's within hearing distance of any commotion happening inside, especially if the window above the conservatory is Becky's.

SH said yesterday that she heard faint sound of music but no yelling or sounds of a scuffle.

http://www.westerndailypress.co.uk/...tts/pictures-27974917-detail/pictures.html#28

I know its only a rabbit, but what a miserable life that poor creature must have, living amongst all that rubbish.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Morning CoverMeCagney TY for reposting these, gives a clearer picture.

Hmmm, both windows face the backyard. I hope this was brought to the attention of the jury members on their walk through.

Imo, this alone looks bad for SH. She either knew the plan, whatever ridiculous plan that was, or she witnessed something and was in up to her neck! NM then sets in motion his new plan, to dispose of the body. JMO

If SH was in the garden, and Becky's window was open, she would definitely have heard any loud noises like a scream or shouting. Defo. But we don't know for sure if the window was open, do we?

I think Beckys room was room 2, the photos of her room look to me like her room was more rectangular than square. In which case she'd be directly overlooking the conservatory and garden.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I know its only a rabbit, but what a miserable life that poor creature must have, living amongst all that rubbish.

It's all so bizarre: the conservatory which has literally been plonked on the back of the house, the veranda/balcony they've made on top of the shed roof, and what I can only describe as swimming pool steps coming down from the right of the balcony thing.

Soz if I sound like a snob but it looks like a shanty town death trap, just cobbled together with whatever's lying around.

 

[Clio]

Morning all,

I was looking for confirmation of Becky's window having been open, as I hadn't heard that before. Here it is.

She said she may have heard the faint sound of music, but that was it, and thought Becky's window was open.
She didn't hear voices or calling out, she said.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-Watts/story-28099257-detail/story.html#ixzz3qQ8xwH4e

From that same article.

Prosecutor William Mousley QC asked why she and Matthews went to Crown Hill on February 19.
She said they went there, she didn't do anything and Matthews' may have washed up.
"We were there most of the day," she said, saying it was better going to Crown Hill than staying at Cotton Mill Lane, even if Matthews' mum Anjie was out.

No mention of needing to return the cake tin loaned to them by MM? Wasn't that originally stated as the main reason for going to CH that day as they knew MM, or CM at least, would be taking AG to the hospital?

And also,

"I do not recall a night we were arguing."

According to SW, they had an argument lasting about half an hour either the night before, or on the evening of, Becky's death.

 

[Clio]

Someone remind me whose house they were in when JI allegedly witnessed the shouting incident?

If it was at CML, and we know NM went to great lengths to stop people coming into the house, I am sure SH must have known something big was going off when JI & KD turned up as it would be very unusual to have people there.

Aggghhh no please don't ask that. We don't know for sure as the testimony was from friends of JI, who in one case, was allegedly drunk at the time of recounting the story. It's open to debate as to how you read it.

Edit 1 Added links for JI friends testimony

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...hbour-moving/story-28026467-detail/story.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-man-6674859

Edit 2 Tweet from yesterday

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 20 hrs20 hours ago
Court heard that James Ireland saw SH in the house, shouting at NM, telling him to "get out". SH denies this is the case #beckywatts

 

[Alyce]

Morning All, just catching up on the posts from overnight, some of you had a late one !

Hoping there is more cross for SH today, but fearing that Pros has finished with her.

If I remember this correctly, when NM had finished, there was talk , on the FB page, about him possibly going back on the stand the next day. In the event, he did not of course, and SHs evidence began.

I think there is a protocol ( mentioned here yesterday ) that when Pros has finished with a witness, they ( Pros team ) then get together during the remainder of that day to decide if they have gone through everything.
The following day, the witness knows that they * may* be called back unless Pros says they are done. I believe this was what happened with NM as the FB page was saying he was due to be back on the stand, then he was not.

I fear this may be the same with SH. They finished early yesterday, they had a good 1.5 hours when they could have continued with her. so I think it may be just the protocol of the court saying she might be needed again tomorrow ( today now ) , and I fear she will not be called again.

 

[Clio]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 5 mins5 minutes ago
Shauna Hoare is back in the witness box where she'll be re-examined by her barrister this morning #beckywatts

 

[Clio]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 2 mins2 minutes ago
Here's what happened yesterday #beckywatts http://www.itv.com/news/west/story/2015-11-02/becky-watts-trial-day-18/ …

 

[Alyce]

[video=twitter;661491225778855936]https://twitter.com/SiobhanRobbins/status/661491225778855936[/video]


oh good, she is one of the best tweeters

 

[Clio]

Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 52 secs52 seconds ago
Andrew Langdon QC questioning his client Shauna Hoare,she denies all the charges against her

 

[Alyce]

[video=twitter;661491990006243328]https://twitter.com/SiobhanRobbins/status/661491990006243328[/video]


on no !! that means the Prosecution has finished with SH !!