GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #13

[YidArmyRach]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 2m2 minutes ago
NM defence closing speech: Becky was 'not killed for sexual purposes' #beckywatts http://www.itv.com/news/west/update...ial-becky-was-not-killed-for-sexual-purposes/ …

 

[sar2them1984]

Does anyone here know anything about this ?? Did I miss it ?



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christine megson
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Jury hearing last minute statement on behalf of Donovan Demetrius before closing statements.
6:36 a.m. - 5 Nov 2015
Bristol, England

I wonder what this is about

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[YidArmyRach]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 12m12 minutes ago
(1/2) "NM was an unusual character and may have had a habit of seeing the world in black and white..." #beckywattsITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 12m12 minutes ago

(2/2) "...but did he really plan to kidnap her for his own sexual purposes?" #beckywatts

 

[Alyce]

[h=3]Defence: Texts about kidnapping schoolgirls were 'silly'[/h]Matthews’ defence lawyer is now laying out to the jury how texts between him and Hoare discussing kidnapping schoolgirls were ‘a bit silly’.
Adam Vaitilingam QC said the texts are not to be taken seriously.
He labelled them “flimsy evidence”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6780397

Good grief, what next ! NM is into , but that isn't relevant, even though NM admitted to watching every day.
NM has a vile rape video on his pc, but looks like he hasnt watched it lately, so that's ok ........
and talk of kidnapping young teenage girls for sex, is just silly !

I started off being angry with Mr Defence, but now I think he's just doing a great job of making NM sound even worse than I already thought he was.

 

[Tortoise]

itv becky trial ‏@itvbeckytrial 12m12 minutes ago
(1/2) "nm was an unusual character and may have had a habit of seeing the world in black and white..." #beckywattsitv becky trial ‏@itvbeckytrial 12m12 minutes ago

(2/2) "...but did he really plan to kidnap her for his own sexual purposes?" #beckywatts

yes HE DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Alyce]

I wonder what this is about

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Cant find anything more about this, hopefully it will come out when his Defence Barrister does his bit.

 

[cottonweaver]

But as Skibaboo said, it only means it was not viewed on that computer since May 2014 ........ could have been uploaded elsewhere and watched many times.

Totally agree - it's a matter of whether the jury will be informed/know of the all that so they can discount this May 2014 .

perplexed about Pros saying stun gun was never used too.
How would forensics know, didn't think forensics had testified to their use, as opposed to ruled them out as such

 

[YidArmyRach]

Good grief, what next ! NM is into , but that isn't relevant, even though NM admitted to watching every day.
NM has a vile rape video on his pc, but looks like he hasnt watched it lately, so that's ok ........
and talk of kidnapping young teenage girls for sex, is just silly !

I started off being angry with Mr Defence, but now I think he's just doing a great job of making NM sound even worse than I already thought he was.

And wasn't there was the indecent images of child charge too - separate to SH?

 

[YidArmyRach]

Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 2m2 minutes ago
AV:We say the evidence points towards his account to the police.

Apart from him telling the police he strangled her .... only punched her once (despite 40 injuries) ....... claimed SH was out when he used the saw, and so on.

 

[Clio]

And wasn't there was the indecent images of child charge too - separate to SH?

The jury shouldn't know about that - it's not part of this trial

 

[Clio]

Re Rape video which both NM & SH deny having watched.

The court heard a chart of agreed facts say there was no evidence it had been viewed, and no evidence the computer had been used since May 2014.

http://www.itv.com/news/west/update...ial-becky-was-not-killed-for-sexual-purposes/

i.e. Pros is not disputing this fact

 

[Tortoise]

[h=3]Texts about kidnapping schoolgirls are 'without a sinister motive'[/h]Adam Vaitilingam QC has now described the texts between Matthews and Hoare as “without a sinister motive”.
He added: “They are effectively meaningless.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6780397

 

[YidArmyRach]

The jury shouldn't know about that - it's not part of this trial

They shouldn't, but it was common knowledge before this trial iirc.

 

[skibaboo]

[h=3]Texts about kidnapping schoolgirls are 'without a sinister motive'[/h]Adam Vaitilingam QC has now described the texts between Matthews and Hoare as “without a sinister motive”.
He added: “They are effectively meaningless.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6780397

Well I guess that's ok then :facepalm:

 

[Tortoise]

the jury shouldn't know about that - it's not part of this trial

perhaps that's the reason they were excluded from the trial. Not to influence the jury's thinking on this offence.

 

[jessie]

Totally agree - it's a matter of whether the jury will be informed/know of the all that so they can discount this May 2014 .

perplexed about Pros saying stun gun was never used too.
How would forensics know, didn't think forensics had testified to their use, as opposed to ruled them out as such

Re the stun gun. I remember an expert witness for the pros (expert on weaponry??) who said that it is possible to use a stun gun and leave no markings. Unproved either way I suppose, but he used it imo. :facepalm:

 

[Alyce]

Quote -

he wont be the first to admit he finds young women sexually attractive


or to translate that properly - he likes underage teenage girls

 

[Cherwell]

Keep in mind that NM's defence is only concerned with the conspiracy to kidnap charge, and murder as opposed to manslaughter.
He admits killing her, it's just the circumstances that are in dispute.

 

[Clio]

They shouldn't, but it was common knowledge before this trial iirc.

Maybe but the jury have a duty to make a decision based only on the evidence presented in court. We don't know what prospective jurors were asked on the questionnaire. There was probably some question or other as to whether a juror had formed a prior opinion on the case in which case they'd be ruled out of serving

 

[Tortoise]

11:46
[h=3]Read the kidnapping texts in full[/h]The jury previously heard one message read: “Laugh out loud where’s the little sweet 16...ish (smiley face).”
Another said: “Blonde schoolgirls IB tapping!!...hm...lol ”
A Facebook message on a mobile used by the couple said: “F*** me what version of Up did you watch.”
A message came back in reply saying: “The one with the schoolgirls doing (smiley face) or I might have let my mind get away with me just a little bit ”
Three minutes later another message said: “So you watched some with a blonde 16-year-old having sex with a really really grumpy old man in a floating house with a talking dog ”
In December 5 a text message sent from a mobile phone said: “How did you message *** ( a 16-year-old girl) as I can’t.”
Six minutes later a text reply said : “Why can’t you, I just went on her Facebook”
Three minutes another text said: “I don’t know I’ll show you when I finish work.”
A Facebook message from a mobile phone to a 16-year-old girl on November 11 last year said: “Hi don’t you work at Law’s Kitchen. My friend is a driver there. I think you worked one Friday with him. xox”
On December 9 another text message said: “F*** you bring me bak 2 pretty schoolgirls then (smiley face).”
The text reply said: “Lol yeh I’ll just kidnap them from school.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6780397