GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #13

[Alyce]

I cant see them doing any more closings today.

AV took 1 hour 40 mins

AL surely is going to take at least the same length of time - if not more as he needs to justify why SH is innocent of all charges

 

[ColourPurple]

Well my answer to each of them questions is YES absolutely on every account....

So patronising questioning the jury.

Yes I don't think it's putting any question in their mind.

The irony is that the kidnap plan part could be totally made up, yet could end up being what convicts NM of murder instead of manslaughter. I think there'd be more chance of getting a manslaughter conviction if the story was something like Becky being mouthy and NM losing his temper and snapping, but the kidnap story adds a premeditated angle to the story and makes him more likely to be convicted of murder.

 

[Tortoise]

The obvious inference is that 16 year olds are "legal".

yes, so they dwelt on the legality of part of their plan. cough cough.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 2m2 minutes ago
NM Extreme hoarding,frank acknowledgment of mental health issues,anger management, addiction to ...


Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 51s52 seconds ago
smutty interest in teenager girl, his paying for an escort.His anger at Becky,his desire to control her..

Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 26s27 seconds ago
his anger when he went into her room that morning & she didn't acquiesce.AL say NM is irrational,not straight forward


Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 2m2 minutes ago
AL:What type of person does evidence portray NM/SH to be?
NM-he said he saw things in black & white.

 

[YidArmyRach]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 2m2 minutes ago
SH def: "Sometimes when we look for rational explanation of things..." #beckywatts

 

[Tortoise]

Yes I don't think it's putting any question in their mind.

The irony is that the kidnap plan part could be totally made up, yet could end up being what convicts NM of murder instead of manslaughter. I think there'd be more chance of getting a manslaughter conviction if the story was something like Becky being mouthy and NM losing his temper and snapping, but the kidnap story adds a premeditated angle to the story and makes him more likely to be convicted of murder.

could be, but I don't think it was. I think the sexual motive has been established and is quite damning.

 

[cottonweaver]

yes, so they dwelt on the legality of part of their plan. cough cough.

Absolutely, IIRC he wrote "ish" in one of the texts ie. "16 ish LOL"
Unfortunately I don't remember the Pros highlighting what we all spotted on that? IIRC

 

[YidArmyRach]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 3m3 minutes ago
"... as NM counsel has conceded, we are dealing with behaviour of someone who is irrational." #beckywatts

 

[YidArmyRach]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 50s50 seconds ago
SH was able to send "highly inappropriate texts to excite or to please" NM - to appeal to his "toilet humour" #beckywatts

 

[YidArmyRach]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 50s50 seconds ago
SH was able to send "highly inappropriate texts to excite or to please" NM - to appeal to his "toilet humour" #beckywatts

Must admit, that isn't how I've always understood 'toilet humour' to be defined.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 59s60 seconds ago
AL: she relied on NM for everything.He was not straightforward, would on occasion assault her

Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 2m2 minutes ago
AL says SH-troubled upbringing, some evidence that NM didn't treat her well,her self respect wasn't high.SH became completely reliant on him

 

[YidArmyRach]

Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 35s36 seconds ago
AL:"Not all victims of abuse are easy to sympathise with,it doesn't mean they're not being abused"

 

[Tortoise]

Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 59s60 seconds ago
AL: she relied on NM for everything.He was not straightforward, would on occasion assault her

Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 2m2 minutes ago
AL says SH-troubled upbringing, some evidence that NM didn't treat her well,her self respect wasn't high.SH became completely reliant on him

more proof for the pudding

 

[Alyce]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 50s50 seconds ago
SH was able to send "highly inappropriate texts to excite or to please" NM - to appeal to his "toilet humour" #beckywatts

Must admit, that isn't how I've always understood 'toilet humour' to be defined.

Me neither - more inappropriate wording, just like AV. Perhaps both Barristers are struggling to deal with such depraved individuals and cant find the right phrases, or dont dare to use them !

 

[YidArmyRach]

Again, the big focus on abuse and SH being controlled and abused by NM. If she didn't do anything illegal, why is it relevant?

Anyone would think this is a defence for being forced into helping him!

 

[ColourPurple]

Absolutely, IIRC he wrote "ish" in one of the texts ie. "16 ish LOL"
Unfortunately I don't remember the Pros highlighting what we all spotted on that? IIRC

Ah I'd interpreted that to mean someone who was over 16 and pretending to be 16. Hadn't thought of the other option.

 

[YidArmyRach]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 56s57 seconds ago
"The council gives her material things, but the council can’t give the love that turns a house into a proud home." #beckywatts

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 1m1 minute ago
"A product of our times, a child of our city." #beckywatts

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 2m2 minutes ago
"I’m asking you to see her, warts and all, a young woman that she was." #beckywatts

 

[Tortoise]

someone get the violins out please

 

[YidArmyRach]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 1m1 minute ago
"And her life, and her home, are filled, both literally and metaphorically by NM. Filled with his junk, filled with his issues." #beckywatts

 

[ColourPurple]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 50s50 seconds ago
SH was able to send "highly inappropriate texts to excite or to please" NM - to appeal to his "toilet humour" #beckywatts

texts about kindapping schoolgirls ISNT toilet humour. Grrr this must be some phrase SH and her lawyer have agreed to use to lessen what it really was