GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

[Clio]

Can I just ask if anybody thinks there really was a joint kidnap plan? I don't mean the nonsense that NM spouted about taking Becky to the woods, tying her to a tree to teach her a lesson etc. Do people think, if there was a joint plan, that it involved abducting Becky from CH on that day?

 

[Hexenb]

Since NM had no prior drug arrests and appears to have not socialized much, why do the Others (minus JI who had never met him) immediately believe he had such a large stash of weed in his home? NM doesn't strike me as even indulging much in alcohol and/or weed, let alone being perceived as a dealer.

Good point will have to ponder that one

 

[epiphany]

Can I just ask if anybody thinks there really was a joint kidnap plan? I don't mean the nonsense that NM spouted about taking Becky to the woods, tying her to a tree to teach her a lesson etc. Do people think, if there was a joint plan, that it involved abducting Becky from CH on that day?

Yes, I believe there was a joint kidnap (soon to be followed by murder) plan.

 

[mrazda71]

There's really no comparison. All that happened at Barton Court was some anonymous bags being brought into the kitchen, and then taken through to the shed. If he was really up in his bedroom at the time, which is a reasonable proposition at night, why should he have seen or heard that? Or thought it might have anything to do with the disappearance of BW, come to that?

But he did tell his boss he'd been asleep on a sofa not in bed asleep and conveniently wearing headphones too (a dangerous thing to do too in my opinion)

 

[mrazda71]

JI was standing next to the freezer at the bottom of the stairs when NM went to get the suitcases/body parts so unlikely to be that one and more likely to be the one in the kitchen but either way SH or even the little girl could have opened either freezer at any point.

Even before DD had made any comments, people on here were wondering why he'd even been charged so I take your point but disagree.

Maybe the freezer at the bottom of the stairs is the one that's in use as a freezer and the one elsewhere was where the body parts were put? That's a possibility isn't it?

 

[ColourPurple]

Can I just ask if anybody thinks there really was a joint kidnap plan? I don't mean the nonsense that NM spouted about taking Becky to the woods, tying her to a tree to teach her a lesson etc. Do people think, that if there was a joint plan, that it involved abducting Becky from CH on that day?

There could have been. Certainly the texts joking about kidnapping schoolgirls, seemed based an understanding not only of a sexual attraction to schoolgirls but also of an attic being involved. So yes they may have talked about kidnapping a teenager for sexual purproses and keeping her in their attic and decided that day to make Becky their target.

However, I still can't rule out all the other possibilities either.

 

[Hexenb]

He was in the house but didn't see anything, didn't hear anything, doesn't know anything? But he's innocent in a lot of eyes and yet Shauna didn't see anything, didn't hear anything, didn't know anything and yet many think she's the mastermind, the murderer ...

Both claimed to have been oblivious, both have no major evidence against them.

I don't think there is any comparison at all!

 

[ColourPurple]

Maybe the freezer at the bottom of the stairs is the one that's in use as a freezer and the one elsewhere was where the body parts were put? That's a possibility isn't it?

The other one is a fridgefreezer in the kitchen and has nesquik milkshake mix next to it to make milkshake frm milk presumably kept in the fridge part so I think that's more likely to be the working one, and I think he's more likely to put the parts in a working freezer but as I said, either way, SH could have opened either freezer door at any point. It's not like the freezer was in a locked shed in the garden that he could keep her out of!

 

[mrazda71]

The other one is a fridgefreezer in the kitchen and has nesquik milkshake mix next to it to make milkshake frm milk presumably kept in the fridge part so I think that's more likely to be the working one, and I think he's more likely to put the parts in a working freezer but as I said, either way, SH could have opened either freezer door at any point. It's not like the freezer was in a locked shed in the garden that he could keep her out of!

I was thinking that maybe the fridge part of the fridge freezer in the kitchen worked but the freezer part was broken, therefore they another freezer, cause Nathan wouldn't throw out the old broken one

 

[ColourPurple]

But he did tell his boss he'd been asleep on a sofa not in bed asleep and conveniently wearing headphones too (a dangerous thing to do too in my opinion)

Whatever he did or didn't tell his boss I still don't think that changes the fact that it's a completely different situation... but I think you know that now.

 

[ColourPurple]

I was thinking that maybe the fridge part of the fridge freezer in the kitchen worked but the freezer part was broken, therefore they another freezer, cause Nathan wouldn't throw out the old broken one

And that still wouldn't change the fact that she could have opened either door at any point. lol

 

[mrazda71]

Whatever he did or didn't tell his boss it doesn't change the fact that it's a completely different situation... but I think you know that now.

I'm so sorry, you've lost me, what is it you think I know now? *confused*

 

[ColourPurple]

I'm so sorry, you've lost me, what is it you think I know now? *confused*

I think you now know that I dont think that changes the fact that it was a completely different situation.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I wonder if NM will ever spill the beans about what really happened? Will he hold a grudge against SH if she doesn't visit him as often as possible, this is of course, if she's found not guilty, or serves a short sentence.

 

[ColourPurple]

Since NM had no prior drug arrests and appears to have not socialized much, why do the Others (minus JI who had never met him) immediately believe he had such a large stash of weed in his home? NM doesn't strike me as even indulging much in alcohol and/or weed, let alone being perceived as a dealer.

Why would they think somebody would lie about something like that though? And if he was offering 10k too, I think they'd just accept that he was telling the truth.

 

[mrazda71]

I wonder if NM will ever spill the beans about what really happened? Will he hold a grudge against SH if she doesn't visit him as often as possible, this is of course, if she's found not guilty, or serves a short sentence.

I suspect she won't be visiting him at all even if she should be found not guilty on all charges ...

 

[PrimeSuspect]

People shouldn't be swayed by his speech, but I don't think he had anything to do with it either. If he's convicted on the strength of hearsay evidence of a few remarks, possibly misremembered and/or misinterpreted, then we should all be watching our backs.

Believe me, I do. :bodyguard:

 

[Cherwell]

I feel that if DD had gone on the stand and not made the comments he did, which he'd had the chance to gauge public opinion on, that he wouldn't be given such an easy time - he was uncooperative, he deleted possible evidence.

I can only speak for myself, but my opinion wasn't changed by his comments. I had thought for a long time, and had said so on here, that as far as I could see there was no evidence that he was involved.

But he did tell his boss he'd been asleep on a sofa not in bed asleep and conveniently wearing headphones too (a dangerous thing to do too in my opinion)

There's no verbatim account available so we don't know exactly what was said. It's been suggested before that he could have dozed off on the sofa, and then woken up and gone up to bed. Hence the mention of a sofa. Or perhaps his bed was actually a sofa bed. As for the headphones, or ear buds or whatever it was, I suppose he fell asleep listening to music or the radio in the same way I occasionally fall asleep with my specs on while reading in bed.

I really don't think this sort of nitpicking is enough to convict a man.

 

[epiphany]

Re the discussion of DD versus SH, the human element prob comes into play. That doesn't mean the jurors won't put that aside or OTOH, may factor (subconsciously) it in. I'm not sure what the outcome will be for DD.

Even before she takes the stand, when her earlier interviews are shown, SH appears to elicit a strong negative reaction even though pregnant. IMO, this stems primarily, from her discussion about Becky with the police, and the manner in which she comes across concerning her opinions about Becky on her video interviews.

As another poster noted, as clever as she may be, SH does not even appear to hear herself, or consider how she sounds when she speaks to the police about Becky. It astounded me!

OTOH, DD is likely charismatic; has developed people skills--something about him & his presentation on the stand that audience connected with, found him likable, believable, responded with their gut instincts

 

[Cherwell]

Believe me, I do. :bodyguard:

Wait till they see your browsing history :lol: