GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

[Insp.Dots]

I can only speak for myself, but my opinion wasn't changed by his comments. I had thought for a long time, and had said so on here, that as far as I could see there was no evidence that he was involved.



There's no verbatim account available so we don't know exactly what was said. It's been suggested before that he could have dozed off on the sofa, and then woken up and gone up to bed. Hence the mention of a sofa. Or perhaps his bed was actually a sofa bed. As for the headphones, or ear buds or whatever it was, I suppose he fell asleep listening to music or the radio in the same way I occasionally fall asleep with my specs on while reading in bed.

I really don't think this sort of nitpicking is enough to convict a man.

I agree and think we have felt similarly from the start Cherwell. I also think that because of the 'horrific' disposal method at the start maybe some were expecting much more horror to continue during evidence. I think the 4 'assistor's' as I call them really didn't have any idea of what they were involved in. It's frustrating that we don't have 100% of the evidence to access as it would probably settle a lot of the misgivings.
I just cannot get my head around the kidnap theory, I think that it possibly went something like:
Nathan said to Shauna he wanted to have words with Becky about her behaviour while she went for her . He went upstairs, started shouting at Becky, she said something back and he lost it with her (40 injuries post death tells me there was definitely a fight or struggle). SH may have heard and gone up or been told after and then helped concoct what they would do. I struggle to believe that she knew 'nothing' but I do think she may have lied to cover herself and didn't know how to put it right. I don't get the 'sexual' theory, their texting re kidnapping was a sad & sick sense of humour and bad timing. I don't think either of them are clever enough to have had any major plans. They were both jealous of Becky SH wanted to be little miss popular with DG & AG so 'told tales' to look like she empathized with AG. Someone else mentioned up thread SH's reaction when the Police said they'd found Becky in her house, I think that the Police may even have said that to see her reaction. I don't think she was complicit to Murder/Manslaughter but I do think she found out 'at some point', perhaps NM told her it was accidental but the Police would never believe etc......Remember SH did see NM as her 'everything', she had lost all her friends & family he was 'her world'. I still think she could have got a short sentence IF she had pleaded guilty to 'perverting' but like Cherwell said because she hasn't admitted to anything at all, her responses just aren't credible. I think pre arrest NM had convinced her that as long as she said nothing she would be ok as her DNA was unlikely to be found. IF she is found not guilty I wouldn't be surprised if she did stand by NM, she thinks that is all she has and will know she's not about to find any new friends after all this.
I am surprised that the Prosecution didn't do more with SH as I really don't think they have proven anything 100%. I guess a lot will depend on the judges guidance as to what she's found guilty on. I think her Lawyer is unconvinced by her, hence the 'If innocent..' He knows she's lied, but what about?
I wonder if we will get to see the 'full' police interviews after the verdicts? I can't help thinking that we are still missing some crucial parts to all of it!
Sorry for rambling, all my own thoughts and feelings.
Also, massive sympathy to BW's biological Mum and Gran & Bro, they must feel so totally empty, hurt and frustrated by all of it. I truly hope they get Justice for Becky, but I'm not sure they will without the truth!

 

[Insp.Dots]

If I recall correctly DD said "I was upstairs in bed asleep with headphones in" ...

No, I don't think nitpicking is enough to convict a man either but I'm guessing the police and the CPS must have thought there to be enough evidence to remand him in prison for 5 months ...

I thought DD was bailed?

 

[Insp.Dots]

This is an interesting point. How did the cheque get into SH and NM's possession?

Do we know the value of the cheque?

SH and NM were not in a position to intercept the cheque. That would most likely involve someone who lived there all the time.

The cheque was for £50 for Trainers, IF they visited a lot they could easily intercept it IMO

 

[Beesknees]

I thought DD was bailed?

Yes, DD is bailed. His twin, KD (JP's partner) is the one on remand.

 

[Insp.Dots]

It's not so much people wanting their fight, it's that her story of not being involved is so unbelievable to most, yet she's still pleading not guilty. And yes if NM had gone down that route too it'd be the same.

I think her total lack of emotion during the trial has been telling too, though I will say IF 'not guilty' and having gone through all this, the loss of contact with her Daughter, loss of twins would probably make me totally gaga and numb. It is 'vital' that they do get this right as IF wrongly convicted it really would be horrific!

 

[Hexenb]

I agree and think we have felt similarly from the start Cherwell. I also think that because of the 'horrific' disposal method at the start maybe some were expecting much more horror to continue during evidence. I think the 4 'assistor's' as I call them really didn't have any idea of what they were involved in. It's frustrating that we don't have 100% of the evidence to access as it would probably settle a lot of the misgivings.
I just cannot get my head around the kidnap theory, I think that it possibly went something like:
Nathan said to Shauna he wanted to have words with Becky about her behaviour while she went for her . He went upstairs, started shouting at Becky, she said something back and he lost it with her (40 injuries post death tells me there was definitely a fight or struggle). SH may have heard and gone up or been told after and then helped concoct what they would do. I struggle to believe that she knew 'nothing' but I do think she may have lied to cover herself and didn't know how to put it right. I don't get the 'sexual' theory, their texting re kidnapping was a sad & sick sense of humour and bad timing. I don't think either of them are clever enough to have had any major plans. They were both jealous of Becky SH wanted to be little miss popular with DG & AG so 'told tales' to look like she empathized with AG. Someone else mentioned up thread SH's reaction when the Police said they'd found Becky in her house, I think that the Police may even have said that to see her reaction. I don't think she was complicit to Murder/Manslaughter but I do think she found out 'at some point', perhaps NM told her it was accidental but the Police would never believe etc......Remember SH did see NM as her 'everything', she had lost all her friends & family he was 'her world'. I still think she could have got a short sentence IF she had pleaded guilty to 'perverting' but like Cherwell said because she hasn't admitted to anything at all, her responses just aren't credible. I think pre arrest NM had convinced her that as long as she said nothing she would be ok as her DNA was unlikely to be found. IF she is found not guilty I wouldn't be surprised if she did stand by NM, she thinks that is all she has and will know she's not about to find any new friends after all this.
I am surprised that the Prosecution didn't do more with SH as I really don't think they have proven anything 100%. I guess a lot will depend on the judges guidance as to what she's found guilty on. I think her Lawyer is unconvinced by her, hence the 'If innocent..' He knows she's lied, but what about?
I wonder if we will get to see the 'full' police interviews after the verdicts? I can't help thinking that we are still missing some crucial parts to all of it!
Sorry for rambling, all my own thoughts and feelings.
Also, massive sympathy to BW's biological Mum and Gran & Bro, they must feel so totally empty, hurt and frustrated by all of it. I truly hope they get Justice for Becky, but I'm not sure they will without the truth!

I have wondered why NM has always stuck to the one punch to Becky and that he strangled her knowing full well the pm proved otherwise have you any thoughts on that? So much about this case is strange.

 

[Hexenb]

I'm thinking it came by post, because if it was handed to her by her grandmother, it would probably be in cash.

If SH & NM were there 3 days a week, when the post came, Becky would be at shool, Darren at work, so only Anjie would be there and she is disabled, so it makes sense that SH or NM would pick up the envelope and would know that it contained money (too bad for them it was in cheque form).

Why wouldn't they just destroy the cheque - were they thinking they could somehow cash it?

Was the cheque a Birthday present? and did I read somewhere that a cheque went missing so her grandmother sent another was that on here?

 

[Beesknees]

I think that NM killing his stepsister, a girl that was 12 (!) his junior is not a common crime at all. Even if they had like a sibling's rivalry, to dislike so much to reach this point is strange.

Men tend to be soft and tame with little girls and he knew her since she was a little child! And being a girl it would be easier for him to get along with her. If they were two men and near in age I could understand better. He must have been building that anger through the years and then SH played her part instigating even more.

 

[Clio]

I have wondered why NM has always stuck to the one punch to Becky and that he strangled her knowing full well the pm proved otherwise have you any thoughts on that? So much about this case is strange.

If he sticks to his story of one punch & strangulation then he has at least a chance of a manslaughter verdict, however slight. If he admits he hit her many times and suffocated her then there is no way he can hope for a manslaughter verdict imo

 

[Hexenb]

I thought DD was bailed?

Yes I think he was there is a picture of him turning up at court for the trial.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I think the negative reaction about SH is because of her own actions. Why on earth would people look at this situation as a fight I think it's more about justice for a beautiful 16 year old girl who lost her precious life in such a horrendous way Becky is the REAL victim in all of this. I don't care if NM is a crackpot or has fibro, I don't care if SH has had a crap life so have thousands of others it's a cruel world. Becky is not here to defend herself or tell anyone what happened If SH is truely innocent I wish her all the best and I would never ever want a innocent person to be in jail.

I think EVERYONE in this group has been horrified by this case and agree that Becky was innocent in all of it. My saying it may have started as NM starting a 'fight' or argument was my thinking of 'how Becky's death and all her injuries happened. The Pathologist stated that BW FOUGHT for her life. This forum is for us to discuss ALL possibilities and try and get to the bottom of what's gone on.

 

[Insp.Dots]

Can anyone remember exactly when NM phoned AG to advise that he and SH would be calling round to Crown Hill on Thursday Feb 19 ?

Also, does anyone have the exact time that Becky arrived home on that day ? I have 3 timings of 7.30 8.30 and 10.30am

I just had a thought regarding reasons for the visit, but without those timings it wont necessarily make any sense.

Have tried googling but cant find the specifics.

I think AG let her in at 8.30 but can't find it either. It was to return a cake tin, No idea when call was though sorry.

 

[MamaJoJo]

My big question right now revolves around DNA.

Was the cello tape tested for DNA? How in the world could NM or both NM and SH not have left a ton of DNA on the tape? I know that when I use it, half of my skin sticks to it.

Also, I don't have the link, but remember when it was revealed that NM's DNA was found on the bags? It was mentioned that "other" DNA was found but that it didn't belong to SH. Was it tested against KD, JP, JI or DD?

 

[Hexenb]

I think EVERYONE in this group has been horrified by this case and agree that Becky was innocent in all of it. My saying it may have started as NM starting a 'fight' or argument was my thinking of 'how Becky's death and all her injuries happened. The Pathologist stated that BW FOUGHT for her life. This forum is for us to discuss ALL possibilities and try and get to the bottom of what's gone on.

Bless ya that wasn't a reply to your quote it was another one and I just clicked reply lol someone suggested that people just want to blame SH as NW admitted it sorry to confuse you

 

[Insp.Dots]

I have wondered why NM has always stuck to the one punch to Becky and that he strangled her knowing full well the pm proved otherwise have you any thoughts on that? So much about this case is strange.

Yes, it is strange. I think maybe NM just 'hoped' if he kept to that story he would only be convicted of 'manslaughter'. I had thought at first the bruises may have been 'after' death but apparently not. The other 'horrific' worry I had at earlier points was that BW may still have been alive when he put her in the car. We know that NM &SH aren't the brightest, what if he panicked, thought she was dead but she wasn't?

 

[YidArmyRach]

He was in the house but didn't see anything, didn't hear anything, doesn't know anything? But he's innocent in a lot of eyes and yet Shauna didn't see anything, didn't hear anything, didn't know anything and yet many think she's the mastermind, the murderer ...

Both claimed to have been oblivious, both have no major evidence against them.

There is a big difference between not hearing some cases and bags being stored in a shed (in a house you temporarily live at) ...... and not hearing a violent murder being carried out whilst you are in the same house, not hearing the clean up and removal of the body whilst you are in the house and not hearing a body being cut up into 8 pieces, then stored for days, in the house you live in.

 

[Hexenb]

I think a lot of the negative reaction to Shauna is maybe because Nathan has confessed and already entered a guilty plea to manslaughter.

I think if Nathan hadn't confessed and was pleading innocent to all charges then the focus would be on him but in this situation.

The people wanted their fight and Nathan already admitted defeat and so it fell to Shauna.

It was this one Insp. Dots

 

[Insp.Dots]

Bless ya that wasn't a reply to your quote it was another one and I just clicked reply lol someone suggested that people just want to blame SH as NW admitted it sorry to confuse you

No problem, thanks for explaining I did wonder!

 

[edgedweller]

Didn't that card have pictures of the victim on it?

yes, if I remember rightly, it had photos of TS after she died. *shudder*. Poor girl.

 

[Hexenb]

Yes, it is strange. I think maybe NM just 'hoped' if he kept to that story he would only be convicted of 'manslaughter'. I had thought at first the bruises may have been 'after' death but apparently not. The other 'horrific' worry I had at earlier points was that BW may still have been alive when he put her in the car. We know that NM &SH aren't the brightest, what if he panicked, thought she was dead but she wasn't?

I was totally shocked by the injuries both before and after death and the thought did cross my mind at Becky still being alive in the boot