GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

[Wallace]

easy to say in hindsight but the police should have been on those two like a shot. by the Sunday at least. Not that it would have saved Becky, but they could have caught them in the act of what they were doing. Bathroom door wide open...nothing hidden from sight.

Was thinking exactly the same thing just now.

When the details of the timing of the Police search and the midnight van trip were first revealed I did wonder why the Police didn't have them under 24 hour surveillance. The three main reasons that came to mind were:

1. Shortage of resources. This was still an active search and resources would have been spread thin.

2. Belief that she was still alive.

3. Someone had convinced the Police that it couldn't possibly have been NM and SH.

 

[sar2them1984]

I wonder how much the fact of only 11 people on the Jury might become a problem ?

ie; with 12 and 2 disagreeing with the majority, then 10-2 majority would work

with 11 and 2 disagreeing - are they allowed a 9 - 2 ? I think someone posted on here yesterday that it has to be 10 - 1

Yep it has to be 10 -1

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[sar2them1984]

Anyone think it is odd that there is no mention what so ever of SH's child on her Facebook?

Yep but then again some people like to keep their kids off there...funnily enough they mention a dog but I've not heard anything about a dog at their property


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[Tortoise]

I seem to remember there was an occasion in court when NM was in pain with his fibromyalgia. Had to stand up I think because sitting was hurting his back or something. That will probably have made a lasting impression on the jury. Just how he would have been hampered by it.

Also the jury will have seen diagrams of the 40 areas of bruising I should think. How can those bruises have occurred if he was doing as he said he was doing - taping up her face repeatedly, checking for breathing and holding his hand on her mouth long enough to cause suffocation?

 

[YidArmyRach]

I seem to remember there was an occasion in court when NM was in pain with his fibromyalgia. Had to stand up I think because sitting was hurting his back or something. That will probably have made a lasting impression on the jury. Just how he would have been hampered by it.

Also the jury will have seen diagrams of the 40 areas of bruising I should think. How can those bruises have occurred if he was doing as he said he was doing - taping up her face repeatedly, checking for breathing and holding his hand on her mouth long enough to cause suffocation?

Unless it hasn't been reported, I find it odd that the prosecution didn't have his doctor or consultant in to testify just how debilitating his fibro was. That's assuming it has all been properly diagnosed and isn't just him saying he has it to avoid working or something. However, Retribution did confirm that he was affected pretty bad, so I don't understand why the Prosecution didn't make more of that, if they believed that SH helped him all the way through.

 

[YidArmyRach]

easy to say in hindsight but the police should have been on those two like a shot. by the Sunday at least. Not that it would have saved Becky, but they could have caught them in the act of what they were doing. Bathroom door wide open...nothing hidden from sight.

Its not even in hindsight though, as at the time there were people on here questioning who was in the home at the time she left. It was reported from the beginning that people were in the house when AG left for her hospital appointment, so right away people were questioning if she really left the house and were suggesting that it was connected to family or people close to the family.

 

[Tortoise]

Unless it hasn't been reported, I find it odd that the prosecution didn't have his doctor or consultant in to testify just how debilitating his fibro was. That's assuming it has all been properly diagnosed and isn't just him saying he has it to avoid working or something. However, Retribution did confirm that he was affected pretty bad, so I don't understand why the Prosecution didn't make more of that, if they believed that SH helped him all the way through.

I don't suppose they needed to - he made a brilliant case for himself - is in pain sneezing and hanging out the washing. That's why I wondered if he was trying to let them know he had SH with him.

 

[cottonweaver]

I seem to remember there was an occasion in court when NM was in pain with his fibromyalgia. Had to stand up I think because sitting was hurting his back or something. That will probably have made a lasting impression on the jury. Just how he would have been hampered by it.

Also the jury will have seen diagrams of the 40 areas of bruising I should think. How can those bruises have occurred if he was doing as he said he was doing - taping up her face repeatedly, checking for breathing and holding his hand on her mouth long enough to cause suffocation?

If you were a jury member, not a WSer and you had this Def Qc transcript in front of you , would you be sceptical? I would, doesn't even stack up or flow plausibly and it's this QC who is meant to make a plausible narrative.

"Defence say Becky 'bravely fought back' against kidnap plan and Nathan killed her. His plan had gone 'horribly wrong'
Becky very bravely,very sensibly wasn't going to go along with this plan.Even with tape over her face she bravely fought back. ( Strayed from N's testimony there LOL)
Says Nathan went into her room with no intention of killing or seriously harming Becky

.......
Not an accidental death, as plan was unlawful, but unintended'....
The world according to Nathan Matthews can be a strange and troubling world
Most of us have a voice of calm which stops us doing something stupid,not obvious that NM has this mechanism
Defence says jury may want to agree with prosecution but "Logic and common sense are not on their side". They submit it was manslaughter not murder "

UK Eire

 

[YidArmyRach]

I don't suppose they needed to - he made a brilliant case for himself - is in pain sneezing and hanging out the washing. That's why I wondered if he was trying to let them know he had SH with him.

I wondered that too - its like he was slipping little bits into his testimony that showed he was lying - them both being in the kitchen when she was supposed to have heard the door slam, saying she was out when he used the saw but SH said she heard it, and for me the most important - him insisting he didn't know how Becky got the wound to her neck, and that he couldn't explain the 40 injuries.

ETA Oh and him being unable to describe how he had cut up her body, as he had his eyes shut. Like anyone would believe that was possible.

 

[MamaJoJo]

Its not even in hindsight though, as at the time there were people on here questioning who was in the home at the time she left. It was reported from the beginning that people were in the house when AG left for her hospital appointment, so right away people were questioning if she really left the house and were suggesting that it was connected to family or people close to the family.

Right. We couldn't figure out if her brother was there or not given it was his birthday and who else may have been there, too.

 

[babame]

Are we allowed to mention anything from the bailed defendants FB pages or is that against the rules?

 

[MamaJoJo]

Are we allowed to mention anything from the bailed defendants FB pages or is that against the rules?

Free game, IMO.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Are we allowed to mention anything from the bailed defendants FB pages or is that against the rules?

I'm sure you can nudge us in the right direction, and can paraphrase, just don't quote.

 

[Tortoise]

If you were a jury member, not a WSer and you had this Def Qc transcript in front of you , would you be sceptical? I would, doesn't even stack up or flow plausibly and it's this QC who is meant to make a plausible narrative.

"Defence say Becky 'bravely fought back' against kidnap plan and Nathan killed her. His plan had gone 'horribly wrong'
Becky very bravely,very sensibly wasn't going to go along with this plan.Even with tape over her face she bravely fought back. ( Strayed from N's testimony there LOL)
Says Nathan went into her room with no intention of killing or seriously harming Becky
says Nathan went into her room with no intention of killing or seriously harming Becky
.......
Not an accidental death, as plan was unlawful, but unintended'....
The world according to Nathan Matthews can be a strange and troubling world
Most of us have a voice of calm which stops us doing something stupid,not obvious that NM has this mechanism
Defence says jury may want to agree with prosecution but "Logic and common sense are not on their side". They submit it was manslaughter not murder "

UK Eire

that reads to me like the QC landed himself in the wrong courtroom - it isn't his defence that's for sure.

 

[babame]

I'm sure you can nudge us in the right direction, and can paraphrase, just don't quote.

It appears JP thinks KD may be out soon according to messages on her latest profile picture. It's rather brazen IMO.

I'm also surprised you can use social media when on bail.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I was looking for something else, when I just read this again. Its SH's interview with police, where she is telling them about Becky being spoilt at home and disrespectful.

“Anjie (Becky’s step-mum) told me that Becky was out of the will.

“Darren had taken Becky out of the will because of the way she was behaving.

“It wasn’t until she went missing that I asked if Becky knew. He said Darren never told her.

“I said I didn’t know if she overheard it and that’s why she wasn’t here.”

Sounds to me like SH was trying to put ideas into people's heads regarding why Becky had "left home" as soon as it was noticed that she had gone missing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-told-6629140

 

[Tortoise]

I was looking for something else, when I just read this again. Its SH's interview with police, where she is telling them about Becky being spoilt at home and disrespectful.


Sounds to me like SH was trying to put ideas into AG and DG's heads regarding why Becky had "left home" as soon as it was noticed that she had gone missing.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-told-6629140

that is just sickening IMO. Trying to make them feel responsible and guilty for Becky leaving home.

 

[Hexenb]

Siobhan Robbins ‏@SiobhanRobbins 38s39 seconds ago

AL "I'm not asking you to feel sorry for SH,though if she's innocent she has in any view had a wretched few months

not half as wretched as Beckys family!

 

[cottonweaver]

Right. We couldn't figure out if her brother was there or not given it was his birthday and who else may have been there, too.

Can I double-check that with you Mjojo as I have never heard this mentioned before ( new to trial) - that day BW dies was step brothers' NM's birthday!?

 

[Tortoise]

Can I double-check that with you Mjojo as I have never heard this mentioned before ( new to trial) - that day BW dies was step brothers' NM's birthday!?

not NM's but her real brother's birthday.