GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #14

[mrazda71]

I think the negative reaction about SH is because of her own actions. Why on earth would people look at this situation as a fight I think it's more about justice for a beautiful 16 year old girl who lost her precious life in such a horrendous way Becky is the REAL victim in all of this. I don't care if NM is a crackpot or has fibro, I don't care if SH has had a crap life so have thousands of others it's a cruel world. Becky is not here to defend herself or tell anyone what happened If SH is truely innocent I wish her all the best and I would never ever want a innocent person to be in jail.

Just to clarify, when I said 'fight' I was referring to the 'fight' for justice ...

Just my own pondering but, i've noticed that Becky's looks are commented on a lot, I wonder if there would be quite the same interest in this case if the victim were overweight, unattractive, or a drug abuser?

 

[mrazda71]

Yes, DD is bailed. His twin, KD (JP's partner) is the one on remand.

Donovan was only released on bail in August if I recall correctly, so he served 5 months on remand.

 

[Cherwell]

Nathan Matthews, 28, and Shauna Hoare, 21:

Conspiracy to kidnap
Murder
Perverting the course of justice
Preventing Becky's lawful burial
Possessing a prohibited weapon

James Ireland, 23, and Donovan Demetrius, 29:

Assisting an offender

All deny the charges - which is why the case is going to trial before a jury.

They haven't got that quite right. NM is only denying the first two charges, and has already pleaded guilty to the others.

Also, they are not "innocent until proven guilty". They are presumed innocent until proven guilty, which is a different matter altogether.
It is a principle of law that is widely misquoted and the media have a duty to get it right.

 

[Beesknees]

:juggling: :rollercoaster: :banghead: illowfight2: :fainted: :chillout:



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[squish]

I still find it difficult to believe that Becky was not sexually assaulted, given the removed tampon, NMs viewing of simulated rape with a hand over the actress' mouth, and his fixation on teenage girls.

Sexual assault and even rape doesn't have to cause injury. Even if it did cause minor injury, it wouldn't necessarily be visible in a body that had been dead for quite a few days

I agree with you all that the prosecution has been worryingly disappointing. It feels like there is a huge part of the picture that we are missing.

Maybe if there is a lack of physical proof of sexual assault, NM and SH knew the prosecution wouldn't bother going down that road.

I'm thinking that NM and SH have had some secret deal with each other - such as that NM will agree to take all the flack in an effort to spare SH, and in return, SH will agree to not mention anything sexual he did to Becky (and will pretend she doesn't know much at all about the whole murder). This way, NM might be spared having a "pervert" reputation in prison. Obviously I know there is no legal way for such a deal to happen.

 

[ColourPurple]

Something is bugging me, I've obviously missed the bit in court where they talked about SH experiencing pain during sex. Can anyone link to that? I've seen a few people make reference to it but I must've missed that tweet/article!

NM said it in court:

He admitted he and Hoare had a threesome with a woman, but said he and Hoare did not have a healthy sexual relationship because Hoare found sex painful "99 per cent of the time".

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...-gives-story/story-28062776-detail/story.html

 

[ColourPurple]

They haven't got that quite right. NM is only denying the first two charges, and has already pleaded guilty to the others.

Also, they are not "innocent until proven guilty". They are presumed innocent until proven guilty, which is a different matter altogether.
It is a principle of law that is widely misquoted and the media have a duty to get it right.

I agree but posted it as it gave a good outline of the order things would happen in the trial.

 

[Hexenb]

Just to clarify, when I said 'fight' I was referring to the 'fight' for justice ...

Just my own pondering but, i've noticed that Becky's looks are commented on a lot, I wonder if there would be quite the same interest in this case if the victim were overweight, unattractive, or a drug abuser?

That's what should happen justice if SH was involved she should get her punishment there is a reason she is where she is today CPS must think she is involved your words were quote: The people wanted their fight and Nathan already admitted defeat and so it fell to Shauna. So if we change fight to justice what do you mean by and so it fell to Shauna?
I think people are interested in this case not because of Becky's beauty but, its so dreadful to comprehend that a couple of young people with a child of their own can do this to a family member it's hard to take in

 

[Cherwell]

I still find it difficult to believe that Becky was not sexually assaulted, given the removed tampon, NMs viewing of simulated rape with a hand over the actress' mouth, and his fixation on teenage girls.
Sexual assault and even rape doesn't have to cause injury. Even if it did cause minor injury, it wouldn't necessarily be visible in a body that had been dead for quite a few days

It's clear that she fought him off so it's quite possible that he intended to assault her sexually, but never got that far. As for the tampon, a couple of explanations for that have been discussed.

I agree with you all that the prosecution has been worryingly disappointing. It feels like there is a huge part of the picture that we are missing.

I hesitate to criticise because we have not been privy to everything that has been said in court. I'm sure there is more that will be revealed in due course. The jury have heard a lot more than we have.

 

[edgedweller]

NM said it in court:



http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Becky-...-gives-story/story-28062776-detail/story.html

Ah, I see now - thank you!


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[mrazda71]

That's what should happen justice if SH was involved she should get her punishment there is a reason she is where she is today CPS must think she is involved your words were quote: The people wanted their fight and Nathan already admitted defeat and so it fell to Shauna. So if we change fight to justice what do you mean by and so it fell to Shauna?
I think people are interested in this case not because of Becky's beauty but, its so dreadful to comprehend that a couple of young people with a child of their own can do this to a family member it's hard to take in

The 'focus' fell to Shauna - I didn't mean that my 'fight' should be 'changed' to justice.

I also didn't say that people were interested in this case 'because' Becky was attractive, I merely wondered IF there would be SO much interest IF the victim were overweight, unattractive or a drug abuser - lots of people use the word "beautiful" when they speak of Becky and as they didn't know her personally, they can only be using the term in respects of her physical looks not her personality etc

 

[YidArmyRach]

The 'focus' fell to Shauna - I didn't mean that my 'fight' should be 'changed' to justice.

I also didn't say that people were interested in this case 'because' Becky was attractive, I merely wondered IF there would be SO much interest IF the victim were overweight, unattractive or a drug abuser - lots of people use the word "beautiful" when they speak of Becky and as they didn't know her personally, they can only be using the term in respects of her physical looks not her personality etc

I think its important that people keep using the word 'beautiful' when describing Becky, because it gives her back some dignity and takes away the focus from the terrible condition she was left in after her murder.

 

[Tealgrove]

Re: the Tampon - I don't think anyone said it had been removed her body. If I'm wrong please correct me. My recollection was that a tampon was found by her body or something like that. I wondered if it was a new tampon that she had in the pocket of her jumper. The jumper was also found with her body so I thought it could be a possibility. I used to put a tampon in my pocket all the time. Just a thought.

 

[Gigi-G]

I agree. Also, why did NM owe Becky £100 when he had £5000 in his account? He was sabotaging her every way he could, imo. Such a petty and nasty man. Now he wants to play hero, rescuing the family from the manipulative and stroppy Becky. SH was in on this, they were a team.

The £5000 NM had was in the form of ISAs.
As did SH have £5000 in ISAs.
I believe you have to request to cash it in. It's a savings bond.
And actually. If they both had that amount. (Please someone quote me if I'm wrong) they would of been asked if they had any savings. And provided proof of bank account/s. From the Benefits Agency. As to claim Benefits you aren't supposed to have any income. That means savings as well.

 

[Gigi-G]

My big question right now revolves around DNA.

Was the cello tape tested for DNA? How in the world could NM or both NM and SH not have left a ton of DNA on the tape? I know that when I use it, half of my skin sticks to it.

Also, I don't have the link, but remember when it was revealed that NM's DNA was found on the bags? It was mentioned that "other" DNA was found but that it didn't belong to SH. Was it tested against KD, JP, JI or DD?

I'm guessing that the CSI Officers would of had all defendants prints. And DNA. Standard practice. There could of been transfer from anywhere. From the factory that makes the bags down to the store staff.. JMO

 

[Gigi-G]

I fully agree, I said it here before. Very poor work by the prosecution, mainly in a crime of this nature that had, have and will have so many implications for so many lives.

I know now as it was explained to me here that in the UK the pros can't have a so incisive or 'agressive' approach as in the US. They tend to be respectful and calm with the defendants.

Even so, the prosecutor with respect and quietness then, could have gone deeper, with more coverage of the so many discrepant facts and statements the defendants presented. I always thought he would do like a reconstitution with the case, with someone similar to Becky in weight and height, in switching the saw on, ... ... ...

It appears he was lazy or negligent or didn't want to bother, I don't know what to say. I only know I felt this since the very beginning but was always waiting a diferent approach from him until the end. And it never happened :thinking:

I do think that Judge Jury and Barrister's have a difficult enough time these days. The CPS will put forward a case for trial. Together with the evidence that has been collected. It's only between those concerned who deem if and what evidence is admissible in Court. There may of been tonnes more evidence. But for one reason or another can't be used. For example contaminated evidence. Etc etc etc.
In this day and age. So much is out there on the Internet. Heresay is too to be ruled out. This was/is a high profile case. Pre death BW and post death. Many of the Jurors would of been aware of the goings on through MSM etc. So therefore the evidence HAS to 100% admissible in Court.
I believe there's alot more we haven't heard/seen but that will be used by the Jury to help reach a hopefully unanimous Verdict..
#justiceforBecky

 

[Gigi-G]

Tortoise I wish your post above ( 491 ) could be given to the Jury as a crib sheet, it is excellent.

Agreed!! 😊

 

[Gigi-G]

Re: the Tampon - I don't think anyone said it had been removed her body. If I'm wrong please correct me. My recollection was that a tampon was found by her body or something like that. I wondered if it was a new tampon that she had in the pocket of her jumper. The jumper was also found with her body so I thought it could be a possibility. I used to put a tampon in my pocket all the time. Just a thought.

I think it was quoted as being a 'used' tampon.
Forgive me my cell phone does not like copy and paste. I'm sure someone could post up a link. ☺

 

[Gigi-G]

And no..... I can't sleep. No Morphine to relieve Osteo. So Tramadol it is. And they are about as much use as a chocolate tea pot.
On that note I'd better shhhush. Or I'll be told off for clogging up the feed. G'night ya'll. Wherever you may be. ☆☆

 

[musicaljoke]

That's what should happen justice if SH was involved she should get her punishment there is a reason she is where she is today CPS must think she is involved your words were quote: The people wanted their fight and Nathan already admitted defeat and so it fell to Shauna. So if we change fight to justice what do you mean by and so it fell to Shauna?
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Hexen, I can barely read that. It's really hard to tell where the sentences begin and end. :/