GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #4

[LookingForClues]

Again I will have to go and search for the link, but I remember reading a comment that said NM and SH had not lived in CML for long, only about 6 months or so.
So, possibly, the Warmley address was a previous address for him/them and when they moved, only SH registered at the new address ( for the reasons stated by others, the financial benefits )....
but if there are new tenants/home owners now at the Warmley address, then police may have been quickly able to ascertain that there was no possibility of NM using that property during the past few weeks.






http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Hunt-Becky-life-like-streets-searched/story-26107979-detail/story.html


Mike Grady, 72, told the Bristol Post he had never seen Becky in the area.

He believed a young couple with a child moved into the house being examined about six months ago, but said they kept themselves to themselves.

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Hunt-B...tory-26107979-detail/story.html#ixzz3TXidb0II
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Thanks, I hadn't read that article. So, he lied to the court when he gave the Warmley address as his current place of residence? That makes no sense to me, especially if there are new tenants living there now.

I don't know what I'm getting at here...other than it sticks out to me that he would tell the court he lives somewhere he does not live. :gaah:

 

[Clio]

Does anyone know when Darren last saw Becky? Was it the 18th or the 19th?

I know he said he was at work, when Becky disappeared and the last person to see her was his wife, but he also said she came home and had a shower. Did he actually see her at that time, or was he going by what AG told him?

In NM's murder charge, it specifies the dates starting from the 18th, so there has to be a reason for that, and I wondered if the only people who claim they saw Becky that day, were the ones under arrest and AG (who as the mother of NM, would probably be ruled out).

I wouldn't read too much into the date of the 18th.

The date of the offence should be stated in the indictment as accurately as possible
[....]
The '... between ...' formula must start with the day before the first day and end the day after the last day on which the offence could have been committed: thus '... on a day between 31st December and 1st February ...' includes the whole of January.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/drafting_the_indictment/

 

[mrazda71]

I think the shock is greater when a woman who has a small child commits a crime like this because I would want her interests to be solely dedicated to that of her child. Also, I started to see people differently after I had a child. I didn't suddenly become perfect but I look at people who are injured or killed and imagine that they are my own children and my sorrow feels deeper for me than it did prior to having my own babies. So the idea of a woman not empathizing with the victim with whom she knew and was treated with such indignity feels particularly heinous to me.

What you've said makes perfect sense IF she KNEW what NM had done and was fully aware of what she was implicating herself in. I dont think anyone would ever want to believe that their child or their partner is capable of terrible things so if just as an example he said to her 'if i say I was alone with BW the police might think I did something to which of course I haven't and you know how much I love you and our child' etc etc that same spark of protection that you spoke of could be ignited in this scenario when SH wants to keep her man and family together and she 'knows' he's not going to have done anything to BW anyway so it won't hurt to tell a little lie ... will it?

Also I've seen lots comments about SH posting the appeals on facebook and and how callous and evil that makes her but I disagree. Either she wasn't aware at that point that NM had harmed BW = not callous and evil or she did know and was fully aware that BW was dead at the hands of NM in which case she has 2 choices pretend like everything's 'normal' or dial 999 ... It would at least seem to me that SH wasn't involved in the murder and so imagine if the love of your life turns up home one night and you notice blood on his clothes and out pours this horror story ... we all like to think we'd just calmly pick up the phone and report it but come on, you're baby's there and you're alone in the house with a mad man. Nothing is ever as cut and dried in real life as you think it will be inside your head :/

 

[Wallace]

Thanks, I hadn't read that article. So, he lied to the court when he gave the Warmley address as his current place of residence? That makes no sense to me, especially if there are new tenants living there now.

I don't know what I'm getting at here...other than it sticks out to me that he would tell the court he lives somewhere he does not live. :gaah:

Um, sorry, why on earth would he lie about his address?

I can't imagine any solicitor or barrister in his right mind allowing a client to lie about where they live.

 

[Alyce]

Thanks, I hadn't read that article. So, he lied to the court when he gave the Warmley address as his current place of residence? That makes no sense to me, especially if there are new tenants living there now.

I don't know what I'm getting at here...other than it sticks out to me that he would tell the court he lives somewhere he does not live. :gaah:

Warmley could be his last officially registered address - ie, on the electoral roll - so that would be the one used for court purposes.

But, I was trying to come up with an explanation for why we have not heard about any search at this address, and the only thing I could think of was that there are new tenants in the property and it could be proved that there was no possibility of NM having been at that address over the crucial period.
Of course there could have been a search which was not reported ? and it could be that a family member - father, brother ? lives at Warmley and NM has kept this address as his official one.

 

[GigTu]

Or, she could just be a nut job.

 

[Wallace]

I wouldn't read too much into the date of the 18th.


http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/drafting_the_indictment/

Without an estimated time of death they are simply covering themselves.

The 18th will be the last time any independent witnesses saw her alive.

 

[Wallace]

Warmley could be his last officially registered address - ie, on the electoral roll - so that would be the one used for court purposes.

But, I was trying to come up with an explanation for why we have not heard about any search at this address, and the only thing I could think of was that there are new tenants in the property and it could be proved that there was no possibility of NM having been at that address over the crucial period.
Of course there could have been a search which was not reported ? and it could be that a family member - father, brother ? lives at Warmley and NM has kept this address as his official one.

If he didn't have a connection to the property he would not have given the address.

It's probably a family connection.

 

[kem922]

I hope it was the lovely exchange over a spicy curry dinner. That was pretty cute, and a sweet memory. You can hear in the video that he adored everything about her. Even at her age he still delighted in small things she did.

Oh gosh, that video breaks my heart. Was so sweet. And it seemed like they both got on so well

 

[pukasonqo2]

has any motive for this awful killing has been given by the police?
though nothing can justify this or any murder,
what kind of threat can a sixteen year old girl be?
how did he get others to be part of it by helping him dispose of rebecca's body, did anyone thought "this is wrong"? they all are adults, helping becky and her family was just a phone call away

 

[Wallace]

has any motive for this awful killing has been given by the police?
though nothing can justify this or any murder,
what kind of threat can a sixteen year old girl be?
how did he get others to be part of it by helping him dispose of rebecca's body, did anyone thought "this is wrong"? they all are adults, helping becky and her family was just a phone call away

There will be no information until the trial.

 

[still-searching]

Thanks, I hadn't read that article. So, he lied to the court when he gave the Warmley address as his current place of residence? That makes no sense to me, especially if there are new tenants living there now.

I don't know what I'm getting at here...other than it sticks out to me that he would tell the court he lives somewhere he does not live. :gaah:

A guy from a town about 9 miles from me was in court for rape, but he gave the address of his father, who lived in my road, so every time in was reported they said "The man from Main Street, Town B" even though he was actually from High Street, Town A. I don't know why he did it, maybe in an attempt to make people not make the connection that it was him.

 

[mrazda71]

has any motive for this awful killing has been given by the police?
though nothing can justify this or any murder,
what kind of threat can a sixteen year old girl be?
how did he get others to be part of it by helping him dispose of rebecca's body, did anyone thought "this is wrong"? they all are adults, helping becky and her family was just a phone call away

At this point, we don't know that anyone else did help him dispose of a body. At this point, we know very little. Maybe more will become clearer when the other 5 are charged or released or we could be left with yet more questions ...

 

[ChuckieD]

Also I've seen lots comments about SH posting the appeals on facebook and and how callous and evil that makes her but I disagree. Either she wasn't aware at that point that NM had harmed BW = not callous and evil or she did know and was fully aware that BW was dead at the hands of NM in which case she has 2 choices pretend like everything's 'normal' or dial 999 ... It would at least seem to me that SH wasn't involved in the murder and so imagine if the love of your life turns up home one night and you notice blood on his clothes and out pours this horror story ... we all like to think we'd just calmly pick up the phone and report it but come on, you're baby's there and you're alone in the house with a mad man. Nothing is ever as cut and dried in real life as you think it will be inside your head :/

You make a fair point but if she was aware and frightened and maybe he wouldn't leave her side until arrest meaning no way out of the situation safely with her child then why did she not co-operate with the police once she was in the safety of the station? Why did they have to take it down to the wire to question her? In my opinion, she was either fully aware and covering both their arses or completely oblivious so couldn't answer the questions police asked her to their satisfaction.

 

[laurauk1]

I dont believe NM will enter a plea at this time. I could be wrong, but usually it will be a few months down the line, after he has had time with his lawyers and they have had time to prepare a case.

No, I wouldn't expect him to but thought it would be possible although it isn't listed for a PCMH. It's listed under 'application' for 10am tomorrow. I'm not sure what else counts as an application beyond bail.

 

[rosesfromangels]

has any motive for this awful killing has been given by the police?
though nothing can justify this or any murder,
what kind of threat can a sixteen year old girl be?
how did he get others to be part of it by helping him dispose of rebecca's body, did anyone thought "this is wrong"? they all are adults, helping becky and her family was just a phone call away

I speculate she knew something and she was going to tell.....they silenced her.

 

[laurauk1]

Warmley could be his last officially registered address - ie, on the electoral roll - so that would be the one used for court purposes.

But, I was trying to come up with an explanation for why we have not heard about any search at this address, and the only thing I could think of was that there are new tenants in the property and it could be proved that there was no possibility of NM having been at that address over the crucial period.
Of course there could have been a search which was not reported ? and it could be that a family member - father, brother ? lives at Warmley and NM has kept this address as his official one.

Perhaps the press just didnt get wind of a search. I don't know the address in relation to Bristol. Is it a village? Perhaps less people around to notice a search and tip of the press in some way (e.g. By posting on social media)

The police wouldn't release the information to the public unless they thought it was beneficial to the investigation.

 

[ChuckieD]

I speculate she knew something and she was going to tell.....they silenced her.

I really don't.

I think the motive was sexual and/or possibly jealousy.

 

[Alyce]

If he didn't have a connection to the property he would not have given the address.

It's probably a family connection.

Yes, having a rethink about it, am inclined to think you've got it right........

 

[gia2]

What you've said makes perfect sense IF she KNEW what NM had done and was fully aware of what she was implicating herself in. I dont think anyone would ever want to believe that their child or their partner is capable of terrible things so if just as an example he said to her 'if i say I was alone with BW the police might think I did something to which of course I haven't and you know how much I love you and our child' etc etc that same spark of protection that you spoke of could be ignited in this scenario when SH wants to keep her man and family together and she 'knows' he's not going to have done anything to BW anyway so it won't hurt to tell a little lie ... will it?

Also I've seen lots comments about SH posting the appeals on facebook and and how callous and evil that makes her but I disagree. Either she wasn't aware at that point that NM had harmed BW = not callous and evil or she did know and was fully aware that BW was dead at the hands of NM in which case she has 2 choices pretend like everything's 'normal' or dial 999 ... It would at least seem to me that SH wasn't involved in the murder and so imagine if the love of your life turns up home one night and you notice blood on his clothes and out pours this horror story ... we all like to think we'd just calmly pick up the phone and report it but come on, you're baby's there and you're alone in the house with a mad man. Nothing is ever as cut and dried in real life as you think it will be inside your head :/

I've been thinking from this perspective as well. In addition to this, people behave very strangely when in shock. Finding out your partner and the father of your child has killed their step-sister is going to put you into a deep state of shock and disbelief. I doubt many people would think clearly under that level of stress, autopilot takes over and people are driven by self-preservation or are easily coerced. By the time the enormity of the situation has processed enough for you to understand you need to contact the police you can't. You've already helped a murderer and lied for them. Now you're in the thick of it, part of the crime and there is no way out unless you keep up lies.

I'm not suggesting this happened in this situation (I don't think we know nearly enough to feel one way or another yet), but I can see how people end up doing crazy things for their loved ones in the aftermath of crimes.