GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #4

[Cherwell]

Without his defence having sight of the evidence and assuming that none of the other 5 have confessed anything I totally agree that he will not admit guilt.

He might try a Tabak and plead guilty to manslaughter nearer to the trial but as it stands....

Haha Wallace! Snap!

As to the other 5 (now 4), someone must have dobbed them in, so perhaps the rumour that it was SH is true.

 

[Alyce]

For the life of me I can't figure out why so many people would help NM. When I mentioned a cult, I specifically said I didn't believe that is what happened, does it make sense for so many others to help him? The girlfriend helping, okay, not that this makes any sense, but surely getting more people involved, the likelihood of somebody gabbing is way more likely. Did NM have something on these people? Or would they blindly follow him?

Perhaps only one helped directly, but the others helped the helpers if that makes sense, and so got caught up in it all.

 

[aneurin]

The Prosecution in court today (friday) said this is still an ongoing investigation and alot of forensics work is still needed. ....

AS&C have searched a number of properties and so will have one big long list of exhibits they have accumulated. They will have a sit down meeting with whatever forensics lab they are using, and decide on the prorities for testing etc.

...It's possible that they just don't have the evidence yet to dismiss the 4's version of events so rather than risk them getting away they will hold until evidence proves one way or another. I may be totally wrong but I still wouldn't be surprised if ALL 4 have been caught up in this and not known anything. Time will tell.

Without any specific knowledge of what version of events the 4 are putting forward it would be impossible to say anything on the subject at all.

...I think it is disgraceful that their names were posted by certain news outlets, SOo many families affected by this and too many judging without knowing facts.

They have been charged and named. Justice must be seen to be done. Would you rather that people were charged and remanded in custody in secret?

 

[Wallace]

For the life of me I can't figure out why so many people would help NM. When I mentioned a cult, I specifically said I didn't believe that is what happened, does it make sense for so many others to help him? The girlfriend helping, okay, not that this makes any sense, but surely getting more people involved, the likelihood of somebody gabbing is way more likely. Did NM have something on these people? Or would they blindly follow him?

It is hard to believe their motivation was purely to help a mate out of trouble. Most people act out of self interest/preservation. The risks and consequences of getting caught were pretty high. There must have been a compelling reason for them to help.

Having said that, we don't know what they are actually accused of doing. Assisting an offender covers a multitude of sins.

 

[aneurin]

Haha Wallace! Snap!

As to the other 5 (now 4), someone must have dobbed them in, so perhaps the rumour that it was SH is true.

Det Supt Mike Courtiour, of Avon and Somerset Police, said officers went to a house at Barton Court in the Barton Hill area of the city after receiving new information on Monday night. The information suggested that Becky's body had been cut up and a search at the new location resulted in the discovery of body parts," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31709056

Obviously, only a limited number of people would have had knowledge of the fact that (a) the body had been 'cut up' and (b) that it was to be found in a particular location. So most likely it would either be one of the two, or one of the five.

 

[Clio]

Det Supt Mike Courtiour, of Avon and Somerset Police, said officers went to a house at Barton Court in the Barton Hill area of the city after receiving new information on Monday night. The information suggested that Becky's body had been cut up and a search at the new location resulted in the discovery of body parts," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31709056

Obviously, only a limited number of people would have had knowledge of the fact that (a) the body had been 'cut up' and (b) that it was to be found in a particular location. So most likely it would either be one of the two, or one of the five.

Given that SH has been charged with perverting the course of justice rather than assisting an offender, wouldn't that suggest it is more likely to be either NM or 1 of the 5 (now 4)

 

[Ontario Mom]

Not that it matters now, really, but NM's friends list on FB was never publicly viewable, so there isn't anyone fooling around with the settings on his FB. (yet)

Also, given the grim way poor Becky left this world, I highly doubt LE would have family involved in physically identifying her. Most likely it was done through DNA or dental records.

 

[Wallace]

I don't think they can charge people on the basis they might get evidence later. They will have had to prove to the CPS that they have enough evidence to charge now.

It would be a huge risk and the CPS don't really do risk.

If they didn't have strong enough evidence at present they would have more likely bailed them.

 

[Supernovae]

If you look at google maps and cross reference using the bodies of water and roundabout, Richmond Villas can be located in this image:

http://www.bristolport.co.uk/maps

It would be interesting to know where (if anywhere) JI worked.

 

[Wallace]

Given that SH has been charged with perverting the course of justice rather than assisting an offender, wouldn't that suggest it is more likely to be either NM or 1 of the 5 (now 4)

Could have been anyone, even someone who was not arrested.

 

[ChuckieD]

Not that it matters now, really, but NM's friends list on FB was never publicly viewable, so there isn't anyone fooling around with the settings on his FB. (yet)

Also, given the grim way poor Becky left this world, I highly doubt LE would have family involved in physically identifying her. Most likely it was done through DNA or dental records.

You're right actually but Shauna's most definitely was as I remember having a nose through it.

 

[MissyLDT]

If you look at google maps and cross reference using the bodies of water and roundabout, Richmond Villas can be located in this image:

http://www.bristolport.co.uk/maps

It would be interesting to know where (if anywhere) JI worked.

Is it not Airbus?

 

[Clio]

Det Supt Mike Courtiour, of Avon and Somerset Police, said officers went to a house at Barton Court in the Barton Hill area of the city after receiving new information on Monday night. The information suggested that Becky's body had been cut up and a search at the new location resulted in the discovery of body parts," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31709056

Obviously, only a limited number of people would have had knowledge of the fact that (a) the body had been 'cut up' and (b) that it was to be found in a particular location. So most likely it would either be one of the two, or one of the five.

Could have been anyone, even someone who was not arrested.

My point is that it's probably not SH because as far as I can see the reason she has been charged with PTCJ rather than assisting an offender is that they do not think, at the moment, they have enough evidence to prove she knew an arrestable offence had been committed. If she knew where the cut up body was I would have expected her to have been charged with assisting an offender. As per discussion yesterday re the difference in the two charges.

 

[Cherwell]

Could have been anyone, even someone who was not arrested.

Oh yes. It was just that there were some posts (since removed) on, I think it was the Bristol Post FB, saying that it was her. May be nothing in it.

 

[Deleted member 113679]

Karl and Donovan Demetrius, both 29, Jaydene Parsons, 23, all of Barton Court, Bristol, and James Ireland, 23, from Avonmouth, have been charged with assisting an offender.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31765767

 

[margarita25]

What on earth was the motive here?

 

[Wallace]

Oh yes. It was just that there were some posts (since removed) on, I think it was the Bristol Post FB, saying that it was her. May be nothing in it.

I took those with a pinch of salt, they seemed like people who were either mates that were defending her or people wanting that to be true (as in how could a mother do that brigade).

If it was her she'd have been in custody so how would they have known?

 

[Clio]

Adele Robinson ‏@SkyNewsAdele · 3 mins3 minutes ago
All four defendants now in dock. They are charged with assisting an offender.

Adele Robinson ‏@SkyNewsAdele · 3 mins3 minutes ago
The offence is this: "without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, did act, namely assist in the disposal &concealment of the body parts..

Adele Robinson ‏@SkyNewsAdele · 2 mins2 minutes ago
All four are remanded in custody to appear at Bristol Crown Court on the 26th of March.

 

[margarita25]

Welcome 80 Guests.

 

[eneri12]

Concealment of the body parts of Rebecca Watts. So they have been charged with disposing and concealing the body parts. This could go either way for them, I'm dubious just how much they were aware exactly what they were concealing although they may have panicked when they realised he'd been arrested hence why it took them so long to come forward. MOO. Also wondering if they do indeed have all of Rebecca, as awful as that sounds to consider