GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #6

[jessie]

Must say it's quite weird to put your make up on before doing something so horrible.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Thinking about this again .... it does seem plausible that they thought it was drugs and perhaps other illegal goods, because of the amount of money offered. Hard to see how someone like NM would have a disposable £5,000 otherwise.

Yes, I can believe they didn't know. At the moment, I'm not prepared to say I totally believe them, however, I can't imagine the vast majority of the public would knowingly store the dismembered body of a girl for a mate, for a number of reasons.

Firstly, if you weren't involved with the murder, you'd be facing a lot of jail time for helping out afterwards - so a big risk for something that you are innocent of initially.

Secondly, with a missing person, family are always the first to be suspected - and a close friend is going to be the next logical stop when the police start looking.

Thirdly, even most criminals would be opposed to killing 16 year old girls. Even if someone was experienced in drug dealing, theft, car crime and so on, its a huge jump to store a dead body a for someone, and an even bigger jump to store one that is in pieces - especially a 16 year old.

Unless they are so greedy and devoid of humanity, that £5,000 is worth sinking to that low a level. But if they've been involved with either dealing or storing drugs before, then it would seem a believable explanation - especially if NH & SH used the excuse that as Becky was missing and the police were likely to search their house, they need a hiding place for the drugs. Must be stupid not to put 2 and 2 together though - a girl is missing and someone wants to store items that are roughly the size and weigh of the missing person.

However, after saying all that ..... the things that are coming out of this case, I can believe that people involved in their circle are that depraved.

 

[Callista]

Yes, I can believe they didn't know. At the moment, I'm not prepared to say I totally believe them, however, I can't imagine the vast majority of the public would knowingly store the dismembered body of a girl for a mate, for a number of reasons.

Firstly, if you weren't involved with the murder, you'd be facing a lot of jail time for helping out afterwards - so a big risk for something that you are innocent of initially.

Secondly, with a missing person, family are always the first to be suspected - and a close friend is going to be the next logical stop when the police start looking.

Thirdly, even most criminals would be opposed to killing 16 year old girls. Even if someone was experienced in drug dealing, theft, car crime and so on, its a huge jump to store a dead body a for someone, and an even bigger jump to store one that is in pieces - especially a 16 year old.

Unless they are so greedy and devoid of humanity, that £5,000 is worth sinking to that low a level. But if they've been involved with either dealing or storing drugs before, then it would seem a believable explanation - especially if NH & SH used the excuse that as Becky was missing and the police were likely to search their house, they need a hiding place for the drugs. Must be stupid not to put 2 and 2 together though - a girl is missing and someone wants to store items that are roughly the size and weigh of the missing person.

However, after saying all that ..... the things that are coming out of this case, I can believe that people involved in their circle are that depraved.

I'm inclined to agree with you. I can't imagine after everything that had already happened that NM / SH would have risked telling them the truth. Far too much of a chance they would have just gone directly to the police.

 

[Callista]

Must say it's quite weird to put your make up on before doing something so horrible.

It certainly would be if she dressed up for the occasion, but I imagine she probably just had makeup on from earlier in the day

 

[sar2them1984]

Blood stained duvet and pillow case also found as well as green jumper cut all down back - did they put her on their bed?????? Or was this from Beckys room although I would have thought it would have been recognised if these items were missing

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[Callista]

Some of the items in the bags - why? Why the socks and the makeup brush?!

 

[Insp.Dots]

Mmm........ I think they went to SHs mother's house initially on that Monday night because they did not want to be in their house and allow the police access, whilst they still had Becky's body there.
Then, after the removal on the Monday night, I think they then went to the mother's house each day because they needed somewhere to go. I imagine they usually went to Becky's house most days ( preferable to sitting in their own cramped house ) but of course they didnt want to go there that week, with all the searching for Becky etc, wouldnt want to be involved in any talk about her.

IIRC Anjie & Darren had been taken to a hotel/safe house by then as the Police wanted to do a thorough search at Crownhill. I guess SH & NM had nowhere else to go, notice no friends came to their aid so assuming they didn't actually have many. Feel so sad for the child, the only good thing to come out of this is her being with a normal family. MOO

 

[sar2them1984]

Jury shown jumper. Items also found inside jumper, a used bloodied tampon and some small pieces of broken plastic

Re the tampon - I really really hope Becky wasn't violated even further

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[Insp.Dots]

Thinking about this again .... it does seem plausible that they thought it was drugs and perhaps other illegal goods, because of the amount of money offered. Hard to see how someone like NM would have a disposable £5,000 otherwise.

Yes, I agree. The only bit I'm unsure of is 'why they didn't come clean with Police when SH &NM arrested. They would have known it was then as it was right next to them. Unless NM told them he was 'expecting' Police to search as routine and he needed to get rid of the stuff until they had. I think that would be plausible. Good to see the 2 who live at house have pleaded Guilty to assisting, I'm hoping they will have been totally honest post arrest. Time will tell.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Thinking about this again .... it does seem plausible that they thought it was drugs and perhaps other illegal goods, because of the amount of money offered. Hard to see how someone like NM would have a disposable £5,000 otherwise.

Did NM actually pay that amount or was it the price mentioned, to pay later?

 

[Insp.Dots]

Also, considering that police initially did not know what was in the packages due to how they had been wrapped and had to physically undo them then I think it could be quite possible that they didn't know.

I think that the case against DD must be very slim. Oviously we don't know the evidence yet but as far as I can see atm he wasn't driving/moving the packages, it wasn't his house - indeed atm it seems he was only implicated because he turned up at the house and had been staying there on and off.

May change though

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Just thinking out loud. They also wouldn't have wanted to get their fingerprints etc on anything so may well have stayed away from the shed at all.

 

[sar2them1984]

Did NM actually pay that amount or was it the price mentioned, to pay later?

He promised it later that week - the Friday iirc

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[Edinlass]

Did NM actually pay that amount or was it the price mentioned, to pay later?

Pay by the Friday but he was arrested by then.

Omg...this just gets worse tbh.

 

[Alyce]

Blood stained duvet and pillow case also found as well as green jumper cut all down back - did they put her on their bed?????? Or was this from Beckys room although I would have thought it would have been recognised if these items were missing

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Just read that and was wondering the same - I can understand the odd pillowcase not being missed, but a duvet as well ?

 

[Callista]

Jury shown jumper. Items also found inside jumper, a used bloodied tampon and some small pieces of broken plastic

Re the tampon - I really really hope Becky wasn't violated even further

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It does seem strange that they would have removed it. The fact that Becky was wearing a onesie makes me think that must've happened post-mortem.

 

[Alyce]

IIRC Anjie & Darren had been taken to a hotel/safe house by then as the Police wanted to do a thorough search at Crownhill. I guess SH & NM had nowhere else to go, notice no friends came to their aid so assuming they didn't actually have many. Feel so sad for the child, the only good thing to come out of this is her being with a normal family. MOO

Ah yes of course. They literally had nowhere else to go - as you say, dont think any friends exist.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Jury shown jumper. Items also found inside jumper, a used bloodied tampon and some small pieces of broken plastic

Re the tampon - I really really hope Becky wasn't violated even further

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I think this was sexual from the start and never about kidnap. NM was interested in Becky, perhaps even obsessed. SH was jealous of his interest (and being pregnant with twins was probably aware that she wasn't as attractive to NM being bigger than usual). I think she was probably happy for poor Becky to be violated, as she was jealous of her for a number of reasons. In fact, she hated her. I think NM was jealous of the relationship that Becky had with his mum too. (Maybe he thought his mum had given Becky a better childhood than he had?) I think it was a mixture of attraction and jealousy that caused NM to do what he did.

I think that when he discovered that he couldn't do what he wanted with Becky, he got angry - as he was too far into the plan to back out of it as obviously Becky could tell on him. So, angry for failing to get what he wanted, but having all the problems of gettind rid of her, without the 'fun' he thought he was going to get.

Like others have said, I think SH may have smothered her, rather than NM. Maybe by accident at that point, to keep her quiet or still.

Either the houses next door were empty at the time, or their neighbours are hard of hearing, as I find it hard to believe that nobody heard a thing.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 29m29 minutes ago

A black handled 12cm knife, a pair of scissors and a two screw drivers were also discovered in the rucksack


ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 15m15 minutes ago

Jury has been shown a green jumper with a cut all the way down the back - members of the family have left the court in tears

 

[sar2them1984]

I'm still amazed at the amount of paraphernalia left all in one place - most of it bloodied too

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[Insp.Dots]

Did NM actually pay that amount or was it the price mentioned, to pay later?

Was going to pay on the Friday, sorry not sure where I read that but prob UK Crimes against Children database