GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #7

[Insp.Dots]

so no DNA in bathroom and no scratches on bath. Mmm.

It's baffled me slightly. We know that they went to a lot of effort to wrap the body parts etc but they are not 'that' clever that no trace of DNA show in the bathroom surely? I'm wondering if they cut her up 'outside' in back garden then simply used bath to wash themselves off? If someone heard a saw in the day time (neighbor thought DIY going on) they wouldn't in normal circumstances try and work out precisely where the noise was from. IIRC I remember a forensics tent was in their back garden, perhaps we have more to come from that. Especially as they seem to be working through things chronologically.
The Bathroom is bizarre, lining of car also found there in oven so they must have been in there during this period. MOO
Any thoughts?

 

[Clio]

I'm not sure I want to ask this, but the 'fatty greasy deposits' they're referring to? I assumed that was kitchen grease on the kitchen knife but apparently this contained Becky's DNA?

Skin possibly

 

[epiphany]

So, can anyone be absolutely sure that is where the dismemberment took place? Bath apparently not damaged by 3 days of electric saw use either? Unless there is forensic evidence relating to the drains or pipe leading away from the bath to come, I find it very hard to believe they could clean up every single little trace of evidence.

Believe the van (Demetrius & Ireland) drove to NM & SH's home to pick up 5 suitcases which contained body parts & other evidence.

Doubt dismemberment at another location we are not aware of & some evidence then brought back to NM & SH's home for pickup

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

This is getting more and more confusing. I find it very hard to believe that a body could be dismembered is NM/SH's bathroom and yet no traces of blood staining were found.

There must be traces left behind. Unless the plastic covered all the mess. Highly unlikely.
It sure it's questionable.
Is it possible that all that junk was put in the washroom AFTER the dismemberment?! Hmmm

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

Hang on, did NM admit dismembering Becky in the bath? Or was that just assumed because it was so clean in comparison to the rest of the pigsty? I'm astounded there's no blood to be found there.

I'm not sure if that was the assumption or a stated fact. Now nit so sure.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Confused and unsettled....

:thinking:

 

[Callista]

So the neck injuries may have occurred before death (poor Becky ) but was not the cause of death? This contradicts what the pathologist said doesn't it?

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

Confused and unsettled....

:thinking:

I'm joining you. Stumped. Not sure what to think.

 

[Tortoise]

the 'fact' that it happened in the bathroom is the main reason SH can't be believed about not knowing. If it happened elsewhere its not so clearcut.

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

So the neck injuries may have occurred before death (poor Becky ) but was not the cause of death? This contradicts what the pathologist said doesn't it?

Plus wouldn't it have been messy.

Now that I think about it, where was the blood drained? Oh man. I didn't want to type that.

 

[Callista]

Forensic expert 'extremely surprised' no DNA matching Becky Watts found in bathroom

Ms Morse said she was “extremely surprised” that no DNA matching Becky Watts was found in Hoare and Matthews’ bathroom, the court heard.

Her team spent a number of days pouring over the bathroom at the home in Bristol - analysing pipes, under the bath and removing tiles, doors and blinds.

But she said: “If Miss Watts was dismembered in the bathroom it is likely it is a combination of covering the surfaces and cleaning afterwards.

“To find no blood staining whatsoever is extremely surprising.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-live-6658935

So the pipes etc also showed up nothing.

I'm stumped.

 

[Tortoise]

So the neck injuries may have occurred before death (poor Becky ) but was not the cause of death? This contradicts what the pathologist said doesn't it?

cause of death was suffocation (nose and mouth covered)

Becky also had stab wounds inflicted by a screwdriver to her neck. Two I think.

 

[ColourPurple]

ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 8m8 minutes ago

'I find it very surprising' no DNA from #beckywatts was found in the bathroom at all, forensic scientist tells court.

It's sounding more and more like it didn't happen in the bathroom which leaves the question... where else could it have happened?

 

[jessie]

Only a thought. If they completely drained the body (I'm sure that is what the post mortem cuts were for) would there be much blood when he cut her up?
They did buy drain cleaner.
More in my mind, but too unpleasant to write.

 

[ColourPurple]

the 'fact' that it happened in the bathroom is the main reason SH can't be believed about not knowing. If it happened elsewhere its not so clearcut.

It also means somebody else could be involved...

 

[still-searching]

This has gone from being what I thought was relatively clear cut to being super confusing! I really hope the prosecution have something more solid to come!

 

[epiphany]

the 'fact' that it happened in the bathroom is the main reason SH can't be believed about not knowing. If it happened elsewhere its not so clearcut.

Also, he/they would need an electrical outlet/extension cord to use the power saw.

Who would permit him/them to use their space? No one imo

If had been workplace or a shed, would have taken too many hours and/or other witnesses would likely have seen one or both in area/space.

Certainly, investigators are sophisticated enough to have checked other homes, sheds, workplaces to see if dismemberment had occurred in a location other than NM & SH's own home

 

[babame]

Just thinking out loud here but could the unrecognised DNA on the masks mean someone else was involved?

 

[jessie]

This has gone from being what I thought was relatively clear cut to being super confusing! I really hope the prosecution have something more solid to come!

Why SH has pleaded not guilty I imagine - the evidence so far isn't as strong as I hoped.

 

[YidArmyRach]

So the neck injuries may have occurred before death (poor Becky ) but was not the cause of death? This contradicts what the pathologist said doesn't it?

But it backs up NH's story that he strangled her! So confused. Did he think he'd killed her, but she came round and then 'someone' smothered her to shut her up?

Could NM have thought she was dead when he carried her out to his car, but was incorrect and something else happened afterwards?

Are those accused of storing the body parts more involved than we thought? At least one of them?

I'm so scared that if the case isn't proven, this pair could be getting off, at least partially, on technicalities and lack of evidence to back up the prosecutions' case.