GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #7

[Tortoise]

And one thing we haven't seen on the list of evidence so far is the mask. The DIY masks mentioned wouldn't have been any use for disguising a person and were bought afterwards . So I hope they ask him where the mask is that he claims to have worn?

I read that the mask was amongst items recovered by police from their bathroom. but there was no description of it.

 

[mrazda71]

I'm wondering if there's some confusion about masks found - diy nose/mouth masks and fancy dress/balaclava type masks used as disguise

 

[sar2them1984]

Just picked this up from the Crimes against Children Page
She was asked if it would have been possible to use the saw to dismember a body in a “confined space”.

She said it would be “challenging” and that it would “likely” leave “damage” to the surface below.

Some of us discussed damage to the bath before. Are police absolutely certain that Becky was dismembered there...


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[ColourPurple]

I think sexual fantasies are a huge leap from putting them into action.
Some women have Rape fantasies (not my idea of fun personally) and they may even role play with a partner but I doubt they put themselves in a position of it happening in real life.

Also, it's VERY easy to read words on a page, a text, a Facebook comment and misconstrue it.

I'm keeping an open mind until after the verdict and fall out because until then we only know half of a story in my opinion.

She's already put sexual fantasies into action though; we know she had a threesome with a friend and NM, and we know she tried to contact another girl that they both found attractive. From that it seems she's OK with her boyfriend having sexual relations with other young females as long as she's part of it, making it seem more likely (to me) that she was part of whatever was planned for Becky. Whether what ended up happening is what was originally planned is another question.

 

[mrazda71]

Just picked this up from the Crimes against Children Page
She was asked if it would have been possible to use the saw to dismember a body in a “confined space”.

She said it would be “challenging” and that it would “likely” leave “damage” to the surface below.

Some of us discussed damage to the bath before. Are police absolutely certain that Becky was dismembered there...


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Yup that's what I said, surely it would damage the surface of the bath? I've dropped the shower head before and chipped mine!

 

[Edinlass]

Just a bit more from earlier - The Professor said: “If it was in a confined space that would make it challenging to orient the different limbs into the orientation that you would need to cut through, potentially.

“This is a powerful power saw, but at the point at which the cut would go through the limb there would be a tendency for the saw to move in a forward direction at that point.

“At the point where it becomes free of cutting that cutting force would move the saw forwards.

“It’s got quite a substantial base plate to it.

“It is likely that at that point someone might knock the base plate into the, for example bath tub, or something like that, and you might expect to see some damage to the surfaces.”

She was asked if it would have been possible to use the saw to dismember a body in a “confined space”.

She said it would be “challenging” and that it would “likely” leave “damage” to the surface below.

 

[sar2them1984]

I don't know about all yous lot but for me the more evidence we hear the more questions I have

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[ColourPurple]

I know it's been reported that NM rang his mother to check if Becky would be in or whether his mother would leave the key for him. Do we know what the reply was? Had Becky returned home by that point or was his mother leaving the key for him?

 

[Alyce]

The evidence re the saw is interesting ( on the UK & Eire database FB page )....

the witness is saying that it is a powerful saw and would be challenging to use in a confined space, without leaving some damage on the surface ( in this case the bath tub )

I dont remember seeing or hearing about any damage on the bath itself ?

I think the inference is that two people working together would be much easier .......and less likelihood of their being any signs of damage in the bath ?

 

[jessie]

Just picked this up from the Crimes against Children Page
She was asked if it would have been possible to use the saw to dismember a body in a “confined space”.

She said it would be “challenging” and that it would “likely” leave “damage” to the surface below.

Some of us discussed damage to the bath before. Are police absolutely certain that Becky was dismembered there...


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If she was helping in the dismemberment (I don't want to go into detail, leave that to your imagination) I think it could have been done without damaging the bath.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Since when is it fact that NM raped anyone?

and you know what, she's (my friend) has done many things, that you or I wouldn't just to keep her ship on an even keel.

Sorry, not rape, but the intention of rape and murder and dismemberment.

I've been there too, and years younger than SH, mrazda. I stand by what I've said. SH can take the beatings, the abuse, but to have her man inflict it on another person or her child, imo, she's gone too far and needs to be punished. If a woman or a man stands by their partner to assault and abuse innocent people, just to keep them?? Still looking out for her own self interests? I don't buy it.

 

[jessie]

the evidence re the saw is interesting ( on the uk & eire database fb page )....

The witness is saying that it is a powerful saw and would be challenging to use in a confined space, without leaving some damage on the surface ( in this case the bath tub )

i dont remember seeing or hearing about any damage on the bath itself ?

I think the inference is that two people working together would be much easier .......and less likelihood of their being any signs of damage in the bath ?

snap !

 

[Cherwell]

I think the inference is that two people working together would be much easier .......and less likelihood of their being any signs of damage in the bath ?

Exactly! That is where the prosecution is going with this evidence, and the mention of fibromyalgia.

 

[mrazda71]

Sorry, not rape, but the intention of rape and murder and dismemberment.

I've been there too, and years younger than SH, mrazda. I stand by what I've said. SH can take the beatings, the abuse, but to have her man inflict it on another person or her child, imo, she's gone too far and needs to be punished. If a woman or a man stands by their partner to assault and abuse innocent people, just to keep them?? Still looking out for her own self interests? I don't buy it.

Is it fact that there was an intention to Rape?

There is a difference between a violent abusive relationship and a controlling one.

My friend has never been physically hurt by her partner but she's is more controlled than anyone I've ever met.

 

[Alyce]

I know it's been reported that NM rang his mother to check if Becky would be in or whether his mother would leave the key for him. Do we know what the reply was? Had Becky returned home by that point or was his mother leaving the key for him?

From memory, I have read two reports. One that Becky returned home at 7.30 and one that she returned home at 8.30am.
Either way her return home was reported by AG.

So, if NMs phone call to AG was that morning - then provided it was after 8.30am, AG would have been able to confirm that Becky was home.
However, it was half term week so there was - presumably - no guarantee that Becky would still be at home when NM wanted to call round ( or she might not hear the doorbell if she was playing music ) - therefore, leaving a key outside would make sense.

 

[JerricaBenton]

With a cooker etc in the bathroom, was there room for 2 of them to dismember her body?

 

[Tortoise]

he is standing accused of sexually assaulting someone, yet to be proven I might add

 

[Callista]

AG left the key out for them to get in, NM and SH are claiming that is what they used to get into the house.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Is it fact that there was an intention to Rape?

There is a difference between a violent abusive relationship and a controlling one.

My friend has never been physically hurt by her partner but she's is more controlled than anyone I've ever met.

I don't know, I suppose we'll have to wait.

I agree, but I see a controlling relationship as abusive. I hope your friend gets out one day.

 

[Cherwell]

he is standing accused of sexually assaulting someone, yet to be proven I might add

I may be wrong, but I didn't think that was one of the charges.