GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #7

[jessie]

Yes, and could have laid body on bathroom floor to do the dismemberment, rather than in the bath. Put Oven, Microwave, and all other assorted items back in later !

This could be the noise the neighbour heard "sounded like they were moving furniture" ?

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

I think that since the bathtub was un-damaged and there was no blood found in bathroom which when using a power tool would be very difficult, makes me think that she was drained (sorry) etc in the bathtub and then transported to another room where they cut through her bones (really sorry) with a power tool.
I think her first place in their house was in the bathroom and they must have carried her in wrapped in the car boot liner, and that is why that was located there. Once they realized what a difficult job lay ahead of them, and they would need to use that bathroom especially for the child, then they transferred her.

I think that even draining the blood there must have been traces left behind. It's almost like Becky was never in the bath. I think it's impossible for there not to be a trace of her. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm confused.

 

[jessie]

Look how fanatic and obsessive he/they were about wrapping her remains. So too, with bathroom cleanup imo:

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She said: &#8220;There were eight parts that had been individually wrapped in cling film, thick blue plastic bags and for some of the body parts other items, including three different types of tape, Asda carrier bags and other items, and for the torso two bathroom mats and a shower curtain.

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Dr Cook said: &#8220;Wrapping the body up so tightly in multiple layers of plastic and cling film had the effect of preserving the body.&#8221;

She said some of the body parts had been packed with table salt.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-suffered-40-injuries-6635610

It has to have been in the bathroom then surely ?

 

[mrazda71]

Can't recall who said it but something along the lines of 'if NM were so controlling of SH then he would've used that control to take her down with him' - absolutely not! With SH in jail for years he would have NO control over her at all! If she's out then she can visit him and that way he'd still be in control, also by 'getting her off' (if she's actually involved) he is making sure that she's indebted to him further.

So far - it's not SH's story I don't believe so much, it's more NM's story that doesn't add up!

 

[skibaboo]

Look how fanatic and obsessive he/they were about wrapping her remains. So too, with bathroom cleanup imo:

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She said: &#8220;There were eight parts that had been individually wrapped in cling film, thick blue plastic bags and for some of the body parts other items, including three different types of tape, Asda carrier bags and other items, and for the torso two bathroom mats and a shower curtain.

<snip>


Dr Cook said: &#8220;Wrapping the body up so tightly in multiple layers of plastic and cling film had the effect of preserving the body.&#8221;

She said some of the body parts had been packed with table salt.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-suffered-40-injuries-6635610

Hmm and in those photos of their bathroom at CML the shower head was low, I remember seeing that, but I don't recall seeing a shower curtain?

This is baffling

 

[Unique]

Yes, and could have laid body on bathroom floor to do the dismemberment, rather than in the bath. Put Oven, Microwave, and all other assorted items back in later !

Agreed and scenes from Dexter spring to mind.

 

[Alyce]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news...cky_Watts__had_threesome_with_another_woman_/

Some more in depth detail in this article from today's court session, including the fact that forensics did take the bathroom door off


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Ms Morse said forensic teams spent several days examining Matthews and Hoare's home, later returning to study their bathroom.

"It involved taking the blinds off, taking the door off," she said.

"Nothing containing DNA from Rebecca Watts was found in that bathroom.

"I find it extremely surprising that we found no blood in that bathroom.

"If there has been shedding of blood it is a difficult thing to clean up.

"However, if the surfaces of the bathroom are covered, the bath is covered with sheeting and walls covered, then it is possible she could have still been dismembered in that room."

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

Yes, could have used space that they created in another room - although there doesnt seem to be any evidence of whatever they laid the body onto if that is the case. Surely they didnt just lie it on the carpeted or wooden floor ? I would have expected they would use some kind of lining, cover ?

But does sound like a feasible solution and - with that in mind - I wonder how closely every floor space and every item in every room was checked in that house.

However - not that I have any expertise in this matter - but I would have thought that a body lying flat on a wooden surface or carpet would be easier for one person to dismember ? So again, if NM is taking all the blame, why would he say the bathroom was used, when this scenario makes it more likely that he would have needed help ?

Didn't the police say that the house was emptied and processed then everything was put back? They would have found something. Some trace of DNA, blood, anything!!!!

 

[ColourPurple]

Look how fanatic and obsessive he/they were about wrapping her remains. So too, with bathroom cleanup imo:

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She said: &#8220;There were eight parts that had been individually wrapped in cling film, thick blue plastic bags and for some of the body parts other items, including three different types of tape, Asda carrier bags and other items, and for the torso two bathroom mats and a shower curtain.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-suffered-40-injuries-6635610

Ah, I'd forgotten the shower curtain. I guess that could have been used to line the bath and then used during transportation afterwards.

 

[Alyce]

Hmm and in those photos of their bathroom at CML the shower head was low, I remember seeing that, but I don't recall seeing a shower curtain?

This is baffling

I think a shower curtain was listed as one of the items found in the shed

 

[Edinlass]

This evidence is worrying, the thought of SH getting off with a light sentance is just crazy. I can't even begin to believe she never knew something but the lack of SHs DNA will surely hinder the jury's decision on SHs input.

Ahhhhhh. I want to scream.

 

[Insp.Dots]

I think that since the bathtub was un-damaged and there was no blood found in bathroom which when using a power tool would be very difficult, makes me think that she was drained (sorry) etc in the bathtub and then transported to another room where they cut through her bones (really sorry) with a power tool.
I think her first place in their house was in the bathroom and they must have carried her in wrapped in the car boot liner, and that is why that was located there. Once they realized what a difficult job lay ahead of them, and they would need to use that bathroom especially for the child, then they transferred her.

You may be onto something there. BW was killed on the 19th. He didn't buy the saw until the 20th. Being partially forensics aware, he may have placed a cover of some kind over the trash in the bathroom (or even put trash in there after), placed her in the bath stabbed abdomen & possibly neck (hoping to hit the main artery (sorry to write that), left her there for at least 12 hours. Then maybe placed her in garden 'somehow hidden from view of overlooking and cut her up.
The saw looks as though you would need to hands to hold. If BW was laying on ground or SH helped it would have been relatively easy and quick to dismember. Pathologist said they were clean cuts through the bone, and done methodically (i think)/ They then wrapped parts and took her elsewhere. MOO.... I am hoping the police will have further forensics to tie all this up, otherwise I think they may have issues convicting SH of Murder at least! MOO

 

[kodi]

The Breeze SouthWest &#8207;@breezesouthwest 3m3 minutes ago

#BeckyWatts trial: •Friends planned to help SH to leave NM. SH was interested but ‘too scared’ to do it. Thought NM would ‘kick off’

Just catching up but had to comment... bullshiz to the umpteenth degree. JMO

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news...cky_Watts__had_threesome_with_another_woman_/

Some more in depth detail in this article from today's court session, including the fact that forensics did take the bathroom door off


snipped from article ...........

Ms Morse said forensic teams spent several days examining Matthews and Hoare's home, later returning to study their bathroom.

"It involved taking the blinds off, taking the door off," she said.

"Nothing containing DNA from Rebecca Watts was found in that bathroom.

"I find it extremely surprising that we found no blood in that bathroom.

"If there has been shedding of blood it is a difficult thing to clean up.

"However, if the surfaces of the bathroom are covered, the bath is covered with sheeting and walls covered, then it is possible she could have still been dismembered in that room."

RSBM

"Ms Morse said using a circular saw would cause blood to be "flung" from it, making it hard to avoid leaving a trace in the bathroom."

Unless they were in a plastic cave. Something larger than a shower curtain. Hmmmm

 

[Alyce]

RSBM

"Ms Morse said using a circular saw would cause blood to be "flung" from it, making it hard to avoid leaving a trace in the bathroom."

Unless they were in a plastic cave. Something larger than a shower curtain. Hmmmm

I am back to thinking they did use the bathroom - but the floor , not the bath. Cover the walls and floor with plastic lining ( as Jessie said earlier in this thread ) and - as Ms Morse says - it would be possible for no traces to be left there.

Edited to add ........... were we not told that the shopping trips over that week end included purchase of rubbish sacks...not sure if we have been told the amount but surely some of these could have been used to provide extensive lining for the bathroom.

 

[Insp.Dots]

With regards to the bathroom showing no sign of BW. I've just remembered what one of the neighbours said; That it sounded like furniture was being moved. I wonder if the dismembering took place in another room and theyve moved furniture to cover where it happened? The reason for then saying it happened in the bathroom could be that they thought it sounded more feasible that SH hadnt been in the bathroom than saying she hadn't been in the lounge or bedroom?

http://news.sky.com/story/1566053/becky-watts-neighbour-describes-unusual-noises

I considered this too, or that the furniture and trash was also moved into Bathroom. But the police completely emptied that house and the forensics were in there for days after. I know there have been errors in the past but I don't see anything but thorough investigating on this one. The 'Murder' as far as NM goes isn't an issue as he's pleaded Guilty so no need to prove but I think they need more if they want to nail SH for the same charges. I suspect 99% of her defense is going to be that she was scared of him etc.

 

[YidArmyRach]

RSBM

"Ms Morse said using a circular saw would cause blood to be "flung" from it, making it hard to avoid leaving a trace in the bathroom."

Unless they were in a plastic cave. Something larger than a shower curtain. Hmmmm

A tent? But surely that would have been found with all the other evidence.

I was going to ask if its possible they removed the flooring and put new one in afterwards, if it was something like a piece of vinyl flooring - but having just looked at the photos of the bathroom again, there is a very manky and stained blue carpet in there. Very risky to leave that on the floor, no matter how well you think you have cleaned up, as minute blood spots wouldn't be visible.

Also, as the kitchen and sink is full of clutter, so they can't have used that room to clean themselves up, so any blood must have gone via the bathroom. That also means that SH can't have avoided using the bathroom for 3 days unless she didn't wash in that time.

Photos for reference:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-shown-6628363

 

[Clio]

I considered this too, or that the furniture and trash was also moved into Bathroom. But the police completely emptied that house and the forensics were in there for days after. I know there have been errors in the past but I don't see anything but thorough investigating on this one. The 'Murder' as far as NM goes isn't an issue as he's pleaded Guilty so no need to prove but I think they need more if they want to nail SH for the same charges. I suspect 99% of her defense is going to be that she was scared of him etc.

BIB He hasn't pleaded guilty to murder. He admits killing her but says it was not intentional i.e. he is guilty of manslaughter however the prosecution still need to prove he is guilty of murder.

 

[onthecounter]

assuming dismemberment occurred in the bathroom, in a 'plastic cave' presumably made with bin bags, how were these flimsy bags not cut into with the saw? Each limb would have to have been held up to disallow contact with the bags when the saw cut through. I find this scenario stretches plausibility.

 

[Alyce]

assuming dismemberment occurred in the bathroom, in a 'plastic cave' presumably made with bin bags, how were these flimsy bags not cut into with the saw? Each limb would have to have been held up to disallow contact with the bags when the saw cut through. I find this scenario stretches plausibility.

Not impossible - with assistance - to avoid cutting thru the bin liners that were underneath the body on the floor. Sadly....