GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #7

[Alyce]

From the photo of the bath, it appears to have plenty of nicks along the edge, so now I think that they might have done the deed in the bath tub. I don't feel very confident that the CPS have got this one tight.
I think that she was under his spell, completely. She might be evil, but he is in charge.

When was the bath photo taken, do we know ? was just thinking the nicks along the edge could be from where forensics removed the bath

 

[Alyce]

http://b247cdn.co.uk/img/cotton-mill-lane-bath-1444747765.jpg


pics of the bath

 

[Tortoise]

When was the bath photo taken, do we know ? was just thinking the nicks along the edge could be from where forensics removed the bath

looks like the pics are pre-removal. because they said they hadn't re-fitted the bath and we can see the tiles are all intact.

 

[epiphany]

It's no coincidence that Shauna unexpectedly arranged for them all to visit her Mom's home after 2 years of no contact just when police want to visit SH & NM's home. The remains and evidence had to be removed from their home & cleanup complete

 

[CoverMeCagney]

It's no coincidence that Shauna unexpectedly arranged for them all to visit her Mom's home after 2 years of no contact just when police want to visit SH & NM's home. The remains and evidence had to be removed from their home & cleanup complete

But they must have been bricking it that the police would break in and see whatever horrific sight was there. I am hoping to hear tomorrow that they found a load of cut up rubble sacks somewhere. I fail to see that these two fools managed to clean up the bathroom unless they somehow lined it first. It's a strange one....

 

[Edinlass]

I mean I would see if the rest of the house was spotless, the thought that these 2 had the ability to clean or even know how to clean anywhere beggars belief.

As us Scots would say..they are pure mingin.

 

[Edinlass]

It's no coincidence that Shauna unexpectedly arranged for them all to visit her Mom's home after 2 years of no contact just when police want to visit SH & NM's home. The remains and evidence had to be removed from their home & cleanup complete

Yeah I hope the prosecution jump on this. It's very telling isn't it.

 

[mrazda71]

Hmmmm I can't help but think that, judging by what we know, that IF he/they had made a bin liner tent etc then it would've been in the shed with everything else ...

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Hmmmm I can't help but think that, judging by what we know, that IF he/they had made a bin liner tent etc then it would've been in the shed with everything else ...

Or perhaps in the bin right outside their house?

Let's face it, they've not proved themselves to be the brightest, so far. That's why we're all so astounded they could have actually succeeded in beating forensic science. Weird.

 

[Alyce]

Or perhaps in the bin right outside their house?

Let's face it, they've not proved themselves to be the brightest, so far. That's why we're all so astounded they could have actually succeeded in beating forensic science. Weird.

Am sure we must have discussed this before but which day was refuse collected. I remember that police seized refuse bins but that was on March 3 , More than a week after NM had moved the body from cotton mill lane.

 

[sar2them1984]

Am sure we must have discussed this before but which day was refuse collected. I remember that police seized refuse bins but that was on March 3 , More than a week after NM had moved the body from cotton mill lane.

Yes but don't forget, the wrappers for the masks were in the bin outside so I would have thought if they had put other items in from the time of the dismemberment, then that paraphernalia would be in there also

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[Tortoise]

Just remembered that on the night the police wanted to search their house they phoned SH step-dad and said if anyone calls say we have an arrangement to eat out with you tonight because we need an excuse to avoid meeting someone, or words to that effect.

 

[Alyce]

Yes but don't forget, the wrappers for the masks were in the bin outside so I would have thought if they had put other items in from the time of the dismemberment, then that paraphernalia would be in there also

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I just checked and household refuse is every fortnight, with a collection on Tuesday March 3..... Which is the one that was seized.
So if no plastic refuse sacks were put into their refuse bin I then I wonder if they disposed of them elsewhere

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

they bought quite a few bottles of powerful drain cleaner - those chemicals could have dissolved any traces

I'm almost afraid to Google that 😕

 

[ms_x_to_the_m]

So after being so careless and leaving most/if not all of the items used with the body, they were able to squeeky clean the bath. Almost like it's new?!

 

[Callista]

So after being so careless and leaving most/if not all of the items used with the body, they were able to squeeky clean the bath. Almost like it's new?!

I don't know if anyone else feels the same but, nothing about this case is adding up to me. I seems like there is a rather large piece of the puzzle that we just aren't seeing right now. From Nathan's 'kidnap' story which just seems so entirely implausible, to Shauna saying she was oblivious to everything, to the fact that the bathroom had literally no trace of DNA to be found and yet no sheeting or surface coverings were found with the rest of the disposal paraphernalia & body to indicate how they managed such a feat? Something is off.

 

[e-sherlockholmes]

Regarding some of the earlier comments that the suspects' apparent post-murder shopping spree indicates a lack of planning and therefore must indicate an accidental death of the victim with no prior malice forethought:

In general, there are two types of criminals in a spectrum. The organized, and the unorganized, or some elements of each. It depends on the individual and how they carry themselves in their everyday life. Just because they may or may not be organized, does not mean that they had no malice forethought to commit a crime. It only goes to show how prepared they are in their commission of the crime, similar to how organized they are in their household, or in their careers and their ability to carry out their work efficiently. In other words, its possible for unorganized perpetrators to wish harm onto a victim, but then wing it as they go along with all aspects during said commission of the crime.

Clearly, judging from the state of the suspects' houses and the profiles of the suspects, these individuals are the unorganized variety. It is possible for these suspects to have malice intent and ill wishes for the victim, but be woefully unprepared in all aspect of their crime, from the murder to the disposal.

So it is not at all strange that an unorganized suspect like that will murder someone. Realize they need to dispose of the body. Then decide they need to buy a saw and other supplies. Only to realize later, even during that earlier shopping trip, that they didn't get all they needed (because they are unorganized). In fact, so unorganized as to make multiple trips for supplies to aid in the disposal process. In fact, my theory is they probably figured out during the disposal process that the circular saw was a bad idea too and promptly didn't use it anymore.

However, just because they decided to buy the circular saw and other items post-murder, it doesn't mean they didn't plan to hurt Becky. I believe they did plan to hurt Becky, but it was their unorganized M.O. that we are observing for why they make so many trips to buy items for the disposal process after the murder. These people are just highly unorganized in every aspect of their life. They will be the same in their career, or their household, as they are in how they carry out murder.

 

[Tortoise]

great post e-sherlockholmes

 

[e-sherlockholmes]

This evidence is worrying, the thought of SH getting off with a light sentance is just crazy. I can't even begin to believe she never knew something but the lack of SHs DNA will surely hinder the jury's decision on SHs input.

Ahhhhhh. I want to scream.

I hope the suspects get charged to the full extent of the law and serve their full sentence.

In the grand scheme, I guess the legal system and criminal punishment is a little lenient in the UK. There are other worrisome cases that springs to mind: James Bulger's murderers out so soon and given new IDs multiple times (allowing reoffense to occur), Yorkshire ripper is now out, etc.

This is up to the legal system, but suppose the female suspect in this case may or may not be charged. What is to stop the courts from giving her a new ID and benefit of a publication ban, similar to what had happened in other high profile cases in the past, as soon as she is released from prison or walks out the court if charges don't stick right now? I guess that is the worry. I suppose people recognize her face and people will look after themselves that way.

 

[mrazda71]

Regarding some of the earlier comments that the suspects' apparent post-murder shopping spree indicates a lack of planning and therefore must indicate an accidental death of the victim with no prior malice forethought:

In general, there are two types of criminals in a spectrum. The organized, and the unorganized, or some elements of each. It depends on the individual and how they carry themselves in their everyday life. Just because they may or may not be organized, does not mean that they had no malice forethought to commit a crime. It only goes to show how prepared they are in their commission of the crime, similar to how organized they are in their household, or in their careers and their ability to carry out their work efficiently. In other words, its possible for unorganized perpetrators to wish harm onto a victim, but then wing it as they go along with all aspects during said commission of the crime.

Clearly, judging from the state of the suspects' houses and the profiles of the suspects, these individuals are the unorganized variety. It is possible for these suspects to have malice intent and ill wishes for the victim, but be woefully unprepared in all aspect of their crime, from the murder to the disposal.

So it is not at all strange that an unorganized suspect like that will murder someone. Realize they need to dispose of the body. Then decide they need to buy a saw and other supplies. Only to realize later, even during that earlier shopping trip, that they didn't get all they needed (because they are unorganized). In fact, so unorganized as to make multiple trips for supplies to aid in the disposal process. In fact, my theory is they probably figured out during the disposal process that the circular saw was a bad idea too and promptly didn't use it anymore.

However, just because they decided to buy the circular saw and other items post-murder, it doesn't mean they didn't plan to hurt Becky. I believe they did plan to hurt Becky, but it was their unorganized M.O. that we are observing for why they make so many trips to buy items for the disposal process after the murder. These people are just highly unorganized in every aspect of their life. They will be the same in their career, or their household, as they are in how they carry out murder.

I have to disagree in part. Hoarders are not necessarily disorganised, just because their hoarded house may look disorganised to you or me, does not make it so. For many, organising can be a part of the disorder.

Also, can you explain what you consider to be disorganised about their (social media?) profiles?