GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #8

[still-searching]

I thought it was the Friday that she was reported missing? And if it was, why did they wait 24 hours?

It's a common misconception that you have to wait 24 hours. Loads of people think you do.

 

[jessie]

Just a point reading all your posts. RW's boyfriend called round (about 5 pm - ish) and SH answered the door to him.

He is looking for Becky.

SH then asks Anjie if Becky is home?

NM and SH have been there all day, apparently hearing Becky leave the house (I know by this time poor Becky's body is in their boot) - but if it was all simple and they had heard Becky leave, they would have been aware if she'd returned surely??

Not much, but another tiny detail that doesn't tie up with SH evidence of total innocence?


eta = I probably haven't made this very clear. Just saying that if SH says she heard RW leave the house (or thought she did) wouldn't she have been aware if Becky returned? So why pretend she didn't know if Becky was then home. Hope that's clearer !

 

[Tortoise]

I thought it was the Friday that she was reported missing? And if it was, why did they wait 24 hours?

I think Darren was told by the police to wait until the next day because she wasn't considered especially vulnerable even though it was out of character.

 

[Cherwell]

Law Enforcement. a.k.a the police / cops / filth / fuzz / bizzies.

:cop::copcar::cop:

You mean the Old Bill :giggle:

 

[sar2them1984]

You mean the Old Bill :giggle:

The feds? 5 oh?

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[Tortoise]

I'm just wondering about the purchase of the power saw. If that would be something NM would automatically know he needs to do the job, or if he would try with tools/knives he already has first. Only because he goes out to buy it before he's even taken the body out of the bag.

 

[Alyce]

I'm just wondering about the purchase of the power saw. If that would be something NM would automatically know he needs to do the job, or if he would try with tools/knives he already has first. Only because he goes out to buy it before he's even taken the body out of the bag.

Although we only have NMs word for it that he did not remove the body from the bag until the Friday night. For all we know, he/they could have tried to dispose of the body on the Thursday night and, at that time, realised they needed stronger equipment.

 

[Tortoise]

Although we only have NMs word for it that he did not remove the body from the bag until the Friday night. For all we know, he/they could have tried to dispose of the body on the Thursday night and, at that time, realised they needed stronger equipment.

yes that's why I wondered if people think the purchase of the saw indicates he had probably already tried, or if it would be just as likely that he guessed he would need one. Its a pretty expensive purchase for people without much disposable income.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I'm just wondering about the purchase of the power saw. If that would be something NM would automatically know he needs to do the job, or if he would try with tools/knives he already has first. Only because he goes out to buy it before he's even taken the body out of the bag.

I don't understand why he/they even took the body home with them? They would have known the police would become involved very soon, they'd have know they would be interviewed and checked out seeing as they were the last people to see Becky. It was obvious that the police would be knocking at the door at some point in the very near future, so why risk being caught with the body? Why risk contaminating your home with DNA and blood? If Becky was zipped up in that bag/suitcase, surely the easiest thing would have been to drive as far as away as possible and either put it in water somewhere, or hidden deep within woodland. Dismembering a body has got to be the hardest possible way of getting rid of it. As it is, I'm surprised they had as many days as they did before the police showed up.

I wonder if NM didn't realise she was dead until he got her into the house? Could he have thought she was just stunned or unconscious when he put her in his car boot? Though I can't believe he'd leave her in his car on the driveway for that long, but with this pair, who knows what they'd consider to be a good idea.

ETA - I've just realised that I'm actually going on the timeframe that NM gave for when he killed her, I guess it could have been later than he said. Her phone could have been removed from her before she died - just because she stopped replying to texts doesn't necessarily mean she died at that time.

 

[Alyce]

Just a point reading all your posts. RW's boyfriend called round (about 5 pm - ish) and SH answered the door to him.

He is looking for Becky.

SH then asks Anjie if Becky is home?

NM and SH have been there all day, apparently hearing Becky leave the house (I know by this time poor Becky's body is in their boot) - but if it was all simple and they had heard Becky leave, they would have been aware if she'd returned surely??

Not much, but another tiny detail that doesn't tie up with SH evidence of total innocence?


eta = I probably haven't made this very clear. Just saying that if SH says she heard RW leave the house (or thought she did) wouldn't she have been aware if Becky returned? So why pretend she didn't know if Becky was then home. Hope that's clearer !

Perfectly clear and very good point.
If SH said that she heard Becky depart, then surely she would have said something like, I heard her go out, havent heard her come back in - before then going to do a double check, just in case Becky had returned.

Also, if SH was at the house all day presumably she ( and her child ) needed to use the bathroom, upstairs. She would have heard no sound from Becky's room, so surely would have believed Becky was still out of the house.

 

[Clio]

Just a point reading all your posts. RW's boyfriend called round (about 5 pm - ish) and SH answered the door to him.

He is looking for Becky.

SH then asks Anjie if Becky is home?

NM and SH have been there all day, apparently hearing Becky leave the house (I know by this time poor Becky's body is in their boot) - but if it was all simple and they had heard Becky leave, they would have been aware if she'd returned surely??

Not much, but another tiny detail that doesn't tie up with SH evidence of total innocence?

eta = I probably haven't made this very clear. Just saying that if SH says she heard RW leave the house (or thought she did) wouldn't she have been aware if Becky returned? So why pretend she didn't know if Becky was then home. Hope that's clearer !

Makes sense to me. BIB Thing is most, if not all, of what we have heard about SH can be innocently explained away if taken in isolation. Especially if one bears in mind that she has confessed to nothing and is therefore innocent until proven guilty.

I know many are waiting for that one piece of "got ya!" evidence but it may never come. It's only when you take a step back and look at everything together that one starts to question the plausibility of her innocence.

 

[Alyce]

I don't understand why he/they even took the body home with them? They would have known the police would become involved very soon, they'd have know they would be interviewed and checked out seeing as they were the last people to see Becky. It was obvious that the police would be knocking at the door at some point in the very near future, so why risk being caught with the body? Why risk contaminating your home with DNA and blood? If Becky was zipped up in that bag/suitcase, surely the easiest thing would have been to drive as far as away as possible and either put it in water somewhere, or hidden deep within woodland. Dismembering a body has got to be the hardest possible way of getting rid of it. As it is, I'm surprised they had as many days as they did before the police showed up.

I wonder if NM didn't realise she was dead until he got her into the house? Could he have thought she was just stunned or unconscious when he put her in his car boot? Though I can't believe he'd leave her in his car on the driveway for that long, but with this pair, who knows what they'd consider to be a good idea.

That's been one of the biggest puzzles to me all along. Why on earth would you take a body into your house, when you have a car and water and woodland nearby.

I dont believe NM thought Becky was still alive when he put her into the boot. If he did, then I'm sure he and SH would have gone straight home, to carry out the remainder of their plan with her.

 

[Tortoise]

I don't understand why he/they even took the body home with them? They would have known the police would become involved very soon, they'd have know they would be interviewed and checked out seeing as they were the last people to see Becky. It was obvious that the police would be knocking at the door at some point in the very near future, so why risk being caught with the body? Why risk contaminating your home with DNA and blood? If Becky was zipped up in that bag/suitcase, surely the easiest thing would have been to drive as far as away as possible and either put it in water somewhere, or hidden deep within woodland. Dismembering a body has got to be the hardest possible way of getting rid of it. As it is, I'm surprised they had as many days as they did before the police showed up.

I wonder if NM didn't realise she was dead until he got her into the house? Could he have thought she was just stunned or unconscience when he put her in his car boot? Though I can't believe he'd leave her in his car on the driveway for that long, but with this pair, who knows what they'd consider to be a good idea.

If it had anything to do with that search 'do you want to hide a body' a parody on the song from Frozen, the lyrics include a line 'it doesn't have to be in one piece'.

Maybe they thought that if her body was discovered it may be traceable back to them with DNA evidence. Cutting her up would make it far easier to hide in different places than an adult sized body. Although the torso would have still been quite large and difficult to hide I think. I wonder if they had hoped to cut it up into smaller parts but maybe the practicalities of doing that put paid to the idea, and if they wanted to minimize forensic traces being found in their house.

 

[YidArmyRach]

If it had anything to do with that search 'do you want to hide a body' a parody on the song from Frozen, the lyrics include a line 'it doesn't have to be in one piece'.

Maybe they thought that if her body was discovered it may be traceable back to them with DNA evidence. Cutting her up would make it far easier to hide in different places than an adult sized body. Although the torso would have still been quite large and difficult to hide I think. I wonder if they had hoped to cut it up into smaller parts but maybe the practicalities of doing that put paid to the idea, and if they wanted to minimize forensic traces being found in their house.

I'm not sure how relevant that Frozen video is to be honest. I know it seems relevant in context with what they did, but at the time, that video was all over social media. I had no end of people posting it to me, or putting it on their timeline. My children used to view it and laugh about it (unless there is more than one and I only saw the joke version which was just a bit of fun!). It could have been viewed after someone mentioned it to them, or they'd seen it on Facebook before and wanted to watch it again.

I can think of better ways to find out how to hide a body than a Disney parody - but nothing would surprise me any more with this case.

As for DNA evidence linking them - IF it happened like NM said (a very quick struggle and no sexual assault) then they could have explained any DNA by innocent transfer due to them cleaning the house every week and being there a lot.

 

[mrazda71]

I'm not sure how relevant that Frozen video is to be honest. I know it seems relevant in context with what they did, but at the time, that video was all over social media. I had no end of people posting it to me, or putting it on their timeline. My children used to view it and laugh about it (unless there is more than one and I only saw the joke version which was just a bit of fun!). It could have been viewed after someone mentioned it to them, or they'd seen it on Facebook before and wanted to watch it again.

I can think of better ways to find out how to hide a body than a Disney parody - but nothing would surprise me any more with this case.

As for DNA evidence linking them - IF it happened like NM said (a very quick struggle and no sexual assault) then they could have explained any DNA by innocent transfer due to them cleaning the house every week and being there a lot.

OH!!!! I feel like a huge penny has dropped!
One of the things that I thought did make Shauna look guilty of something was her searching 'Do you want to hide a body' and though I thought that was an odd search term instead of 'how to hide a body' you've just enlightened me! Thanks ... and I agree with you, I think that particular search is probably irrelevant and just an unfortunate coincidence.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

If it had anything to do with that search 'do you want to hide a body' a parody on the song from Frozen, the lyrics include a line 'it doesn't have to be in one piece'.

Maybe they thought that if her body was discovered it may be traceable back to them with DNA evidence. Cutting her up would make it far easier to hide in different places than an adult sized body. Although the torso would have still been quite large and difficult to hide I think. I wonder if they had hoped to cut it up into smaller parts but maybe the practicalities of doing that put paid to the idea, and if they wanted to minimize forensic traces being found in their house.

I still don't get how anyone would think chopping a body up is a good idea with all the mess and DNA footprint it creates. There are plenty of places to dispose of someone, in this case Bristol is very near the coast for starters. If SH knew nothing he would surely have invented a "mate who needs help" on day one, before driving off to hide the body somewhere.

Also, by the time he'd removed Becky from the car boot after several hours, a cadaver dog would pick it up in a nanosecond - surely everyone know about these dogs, even if they're not on Websleuths, he must have known he'd be under scrutiny and that his car and house would get searched as routine - one sniff and it was all over.

 

[Gigi-G]

Just a thought. Did they bring in Cadaver dog's at all? I'm assuming they brought search dogs in when the LE were doing searches of different areas?
Did those Cadaver dogs enter AG & DG'S home? Or any of the other homes? BW'S mother. SH & NM. NM'S Grandmother's?
I'm still not convinced the dismemberment of BW happened at CML.

 

[Beesknees]

Thats a good point about the tampon evidence. The tampon was found with the suitcase evidence right? But the victim was only 'cut' along the legs? So the torso is otherwise intact? So yeah, that probably suggests they 'went there' then.

As is common is many of these cases involving dismemberment and a sexual motive, there is often necrophilia also. But such things its hard to forensically prove. Often investigators don't find out, not until it is revealed by testimony of the suspects. Its basically the mindset of the perpetrator. A person who's lost their grip on humanity to dismember someone would have dehumanized the victim already to a point where, coupled with a sexual motive, these individuals are often capable of 'going there'.

Couldn't they trace semen if it existed in Becky's body or vagina? If it was the case would it be publically reported? As for the tampon, I don't think it could be expelled by the body at all. Becky was almost a child, had no child birth and her vagina's muscles would be tense. So in no way I find possible the tampon to be expelled. It was taken out by one of them with no necessity at all other than to abuse her or to mock her lifeless body in her most private part. If not for sexual purposes they simply pleased to pull out the cord and took the tampon out. This crime is so vile... How dare they treat the body of a girl that was family in such a way. They did what they wanted with her and had all the time for it

 

[Tortoise]

Just a thought. Did they bring in Cadaver dog's at all? I'm assuming they brought search dogs in when the LE were doing searches of different areas?
Did those Cadaver dogs enter AG & DG'S home? Or any of the other homes? BW'S mother. SH & NM. NM'S Grandmother's?
I'm still not convinced the dismemberment of BW happened at CML.

bold - NM only confessed after being told that blood had been found upstairs in his house. I think it must have happened there what with the shower curtain and bath mat being hidden with the body. Also the car boot lining was found in the bathroom (inside the cooker)

 

[epiphany]

bold - NM only confessed after being told that blood had been found upstairs in his house. I think it must have happened there what with the shower curtain and bath mat being hidden with the body. Also the car boot lining was found in the bathroom (inside the cooker)

Additionally, SH admits to hearing the power saw being used in their bathroom. SH also admits to an overpowering bleach odor coming from the bathroom, and states that she was not permitted to enter or use the bathroom for approx 2-3 days.

Other testimony reveals that the suitcases, packages were picked up from NM & SH's home. Photos illustrate the bathroom is the only clean room in the home.

And NH had knowledge of decontamination from TA