GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #9

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In NM's prepared written statement on 2nd March he states that he left SH at AG's on Saturday (21st) February then returned to CML to "try and dispose of the body by cutting it up with a circular saw".

For anybody who missed it, NM made a second prepared statement on 4th March following disclosure, in which he states that it must have been on Friday 20th February that he left SH at AGs.

As epiphany pointed out in the previous thread, this means that there is a mismatch between NM's statement that he waited until SH was asleep on Friday 20th February before pouring drain cleaner down the toilet to stop her using it the next morning and SH's statement that she smelt bleach and couldn't go into the bathroom when she returned home from AG's on Friday 20th February

NM Statement from 2nd March http://news.sky.com/story/1573862/becky-watts-stepbrothers-police-statement
NM Statement from 4th March http://www.independent.ie/world-new...-to-scare-her-by-kidnapping-her-34131549.html
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 38 secs38 seconds ago
Court hearing more police interviews with Shauna Hoare following her arrest.Being read by prosecution and police
 
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ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 42 secs42 seconds ago
Hearing from DC Claire Langley - who is reading the remaining part of Hoare's interviews to the court #beckywatts
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 23 secs24 seconds ago
Says if she was hiding stuff she would have been reluctant to let police in. Says she had no problem with them searching house.
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 51 secs52 seconds ago
Police ask if she's been keeping away from home because of stuff there.She says no.

Sam FM News ‏@samfmnews · 52s53 seconds ago
#BeckyWatts trial: SH told police she had no problem with police searching her house because she didn’t think there was anything to hide

Sam FM News ‏@samfmnews · 49s49 seconds ago
#BeckyWatts trial: Police asked SH if she wasn’t staying at her home in CML because she knew what was there. SH says no.

Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 24 secs25 seconds ago
Police SH about her getting back in contact with her mum after several years
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 47 secs47 seconds ago
SH says she didn't see NM drink any alcohol but later he said he wasn't able to drive as had a drink.Says NM said a mate would pick them up.
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 50 secs50 seconds ago
Says NM went outside to make a call, using her phone.Says NM said his mate wouldn't be free until midnight.Says picked up 00.30-1am
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 30 secs30 seconds ago
Says car was there with engine running when she went out.Says they sat in back & there was a driver/passenger she doesn't recognise.
 
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[video=twitter;658596286208352256]https://twitter.com/SiobhanRobbins/status/658596286208352256[/video]


this part of SHs evidence is one of many that doesnt add up for me.

She didnt see NM drink, but he told her he had had a drink and couldn't drive home.
They were together all day, at McDonalds and then at her mothers. She had not seen her mother for what 2 - 3 years ? ......so when they visited she and NM would have been likely in the main living room, chatting with her mother and partner. Very unlikely that NM would have been in a separate room to SH during this first visit. And, if any drink were being served, SH would have clearly been able to see what NM was drinking.
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 50 secs50 seconds ago
Says NM went outside to make a call, using her phone.
I thought they shared their phones so how was it "her" phone?
 
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What does that even mean, in real terms? Thankfully society has to accept whatever the court decides otherwise the country would be run by lynch mobs.

it means that sometimes there is not a witness to a crime, or video evidence of a crime, or the perpetrators of the crime have taken steps to cover their tracks and not leave evidence behind. and the court is tasked with weighing up the circumstantial evidence that will always have amassed, and make a judgement call on certain behaviours and whether they fit in with what we as intelligent or discerning human beings would expect to see, in our normal everyday lives.

some will be undecided, others will think they have seen more than enough to be convinced of her guilt, and then there is commonly a third category, who refuse to make a judgement call on guilt, unless it fits into the first hand witness/video category of evidence.

it has nothing to do with lynch mobs not accepting court judgements, it has to do with making ones own mind up about the evidence, and being able to say 'X' got away with that crime in my view because he/she outwitted the police and succeeded in covering his/her tracks. And not feeling obliged to say well 'X' must be innocent then. Yes, technically in the eyes of the law they start off innocent until proven guilty and remain innocent if they are cleared by the court. But in reality there is the truth. Which may be guilt or innocence and we on this forum thankfully have the freedom to discuss what we see as the truth.
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 57 secs57 seconds ago
Doesn't know how NM knew them.Says felt slightly worried but trusted they were NM friends
 
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[video=twitter;658596657714610176]https://twitter.com/SiobhanRobbins/status/658596657714610176[/video]


NM went outside to make a call, using her phone

I thought in earlier evidence NM said they didnt have individual phones, they both used the 2 phones together
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 1 min1 minute ago
Says recognised passenger in car, says he was mixed race and believes he lived around the corner.
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 39 secs39 seconds ago
She draws police a map of where she thinks he lives.Says she think his name is Karl but it was dark so not 100%.
 
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Siobhan Robbins Verified account  ‏@SiobhanRobbins · 31 secs31 seconds ago
She says she knows his girlfriend Jaydene, Facebook friends. Didn't recognise driver.Says driven home and she went in first.She fell asleep
 
  • #118
Which may be guilt or innocence and we on this forum thankfully have the freedom to discuss what we see as the truth.

Thankfully we have the freedom to discuss the facts that we have been presented with and come to our own conclusions. It's a bit arrogant however to think that we are somehow better equipped to understand the truth. There's no such thing as an absolute truth and the only people who will ever know precisely what happened to BW are NM and potentially SH.
 
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ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial · 25s26 seconds ago
SH says she got a lift home from her mum's with Karl Demetrius and someone else on the night Becky's body was allegedly moved #beckywatts
 
  • #120
I've followed a few cases on Websleuths but I've always felt that there was healthy debate and opinions from both sides, and we discussed theories and disagreed with each other respectfully! Even in the case of little Mikaeel Kular being murdered by his own mother! <modsnip> Most people have already decided who's guilty and who should rot in Hell and that includes unborn lives for some!

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I'm honestly shocked at how convinced and venomous some members are in their opinion of Shauna's guilt and don't understand it when we've had so little proof of it yet. Many going on the evidence given by a friend of Jamie Ireland, not even Jamie himself - who's to say it wasn't Jaydene and Karl arguing that night?

I wonder if in some part the knives are out for Shauna because Nathan has already confessed, I wonder if he too had pleaded not guilty to all if the focus would be off Shauna and on him.


No matter what, it is never a Blessing for babies to die.

What is making me suspicious of SH's involvement is the kidnap story. If NM had planned to kidnap Becky to take her to a wooded area and teach her a lesson, I really can't see how he could have pulled that off with SH and their child at the house. If SH wasn't involved at all, then surely he would have carried out that plan when he was alone. Would you really kidnap someone and have them in the boot of your car, with your girlfriend and child in the car at the same time? After letting your mother know that you would be at the house with your intended victim ..... at around the exact time she is going to "go missing".

For me, the kidnap story has more of a believability about it if it was a plan to kidnap Becky for sexual purposes by the pair of them - basing this on their texts and the fact that 2 stun guns had been purchased.

Obviously I have only seen what the media has published, so can only theorise based on that - and from putting those pieces together, I think that Becky's death might have been a sexual assault/attack that went wrong, whilst the child was watching CBBC downstairs. I think everything turned into a panic after she died, as it wasn't planned that way.

The kidnap story is 'better' from NM's point of view, than admitting to his mum and stepdad that he was trying to rape Becky or assault her.

I don't believe SH's story at all as it makes little sense and has far too many bits of 'luck' in it - she spent exactly the right amount of time in the garden with the child, in the rain, for NM to do what he did. She just happened to fall asleep and miss all the goings on regarding the moving of the body parts. She wasn't at all suspicious that her partner went out buying an excess of cleaning products, cling film and bin bags, and a new saw, at exactly the time his stepsister was missing. She suddenly decided out of the blue to visit her estranged family for the first time in years, just when the police wanted to search their house, and so on. She doesn't find it odd that her boyfriend spends the best part of 3 days locked in the bathroom, not letting her in at all, even when she needs to go to the toilet. And even little details like when a call has been made from her phone, she is telling police that he was the one using it. Its like there is an answer for everything, as if its been rehearsed between the two of them. In some ways their stories slip up with timings, in other ways, the details match so closely that I do wonder if they have prepared them together. Like others, I still don't understand why NM would be willing to take all the blame, unless it was his idea and he has suddenly found a conscience when the enormity of what he did hit him.

I'm aware that there probably needs to be a lot more hard evidence to give a jury reason to decide without reasonable doubt though. But I'm just explaining why I don't automatically believe she is entirely innocent - but I totally believe that everyone should be assumed innocent in the eyes of the law, until proven guilty.

If she really was that clueless regarding all the goings on, I still can't shake the opinion that she suspected something, but cared more about keeping NM than doing the right thing for Becky.
 
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