UK - Sabina Nessa, 28, found murdered in park, SE London, 18 Sep 2021 *Arrest*

[Pinkizzy]

My suggestion is that the killer was taking SN to his car until he realised it was too risky or he saw someone walking his way. He decided to hide her under some leaves to collect later or until someone found her.

 

[Pinkizzy]

My suggestion is that the killer was taking SN to his car until he realised it was too risky or he saw someone walking his way. He decided to hide her under some leaves to collect later or until someone found her.

 

[Dotta]

I think it was targeted and the murderer was known to S - or hired.

Most murders of women are committed by partners/ex partners, unfortunately.

Random attacks happen of course, like robberies or sexually motivated ones (rapes, sometimes ending with death).

 

[Lod76]

I think it was targeted and the murderer was known to S - or hired.

Most murders of women are committed by partners/ex partners, unfortunately.

Random attacks happen of course, like robberies or sexually motivated ones (rapes, sometimes ending with death).

I would say it depends on the motive and nature of the crime which we don't really know yet. Most murders of women are committed by partners/ex partners as you say but when you get a sexual crime and the body in a rural/outdoor location then it's almost always a random sexual predator that isn't likely to be known to the victim.

The location of the initial attack if relevant indicates it's someone known to her and reports of separate men being arrested and another man wanted certainly led me to think it's very personal in nature too and possibly something planned.

It is possible though that he was patrolling the area for a victim and that she walked out of her flat at just the wrong moment. So the location of the initial attack could be misleading in that sense. The first arrest could be the man she had planned to meet, which would make sense and the second may just be someone who was seen nearby or some innocent reason that can be explained.

Like you, I'm still leaning to it being someone she knew or at least planned by someone she knew mainly because of the chain of events regarding the investigation. But I do think nothing can be ruled out.

 

[Skigh]

The media have been very quiet today so I am wondering if they have located cctv man as other wise I think the police would be keen to keep his picture in the news headlines.
I am hoping we hear of an arrest soon.

 

[KensingtonandChelsea]

The Met are now asking people who have a connection to Kent especially to see if they know who the man in the CCTV is. They say that he may have been seen by people to be carrying a red, reflective object and trying to hide it up his sleeve.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/n...s-appeal-to-kent-to-identify-cctv-man-254621/

 

[KensingtonandChelsea]

Officers are 'content' that neither of the two men who have been arrested are the man shown in the CCTV footage.

Detectives continue to appeal to identify man in Sabina Nessa murder investigation

 

[JosephineRobert]

The Met are now asking people who have a connection to Kent especially to see if they know who the man in the CCTV is. They say that he was seen by people to be carrying a reflective object and trying to hide it up his sleeve.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/n...s-appeal-to-kent-to-identify-cctv-man-254621/

Met Police chiefs say "urgent enquiries" are continuing to identify a man seen on CCTV shortly before the murder took place.

Interesting. So the Pegler Square CCTV was from before the attack?

Two men have been arrested and released under investigation. Police say they are "content that neither of them is the man shown in the CCTV footage".

Also interesting. Those two arrests are the most confusing part to me. Without those it would, very sadly, seem to be a stranger murder IMO.

 

[Rusty Braincells]

The Met are now asking people who have a connection to Kent especially to see if they know who the man in the CCTV is. They say that he may have been seen by people to be carrying a red, reflective object and trying to hide it up his sleeve.

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/n...s-appeal-to-kent-to-identify-cctv-man-254621/

Thank you for this. Whatever CCTV man is holding continues to look red, not orange to me. The “reflective” part and Kent, remain mysteries. Hope it makes sense to someone out there.

 

[Skigh]

Met Police chiefs say "urgent enquiries" are continuing to identify a man seen on CCTV shortly before the murder took place.

Interesting. So the Pegler Square CCTV was from before the attack?

Two men have been arrested and released under investigation. Police say they are "content that neither of them is the man shown in the CCTV footage".

Also interesting. Those two arrests are the most confusing part to me. Without those it would, very sadly, seem to be a stranger murder IMO.

Each update leaves me even more confused. I agree with you about the two arrests ,they are preventing me being fully convinced about it being a stranger attack.

The police must have been able to use their equipment to have a much clearer and detailed look at what he was holding .

 

[Skigh]

Sabina cops hunt man 'trying to hide item up sleeve' that could be murder weapon


And in an update this afternoon, detectives say they urgently need to find a "reflective item" the man is clutching in the footage.

They are keeping an "open mind" about whether it was used during the attack on Sabina.


Detective Chief Inspector Neil John, from the Met’s Specialist Crime Command, chillingly warned that the man "must" be found.

“I continue to appeal for any witnesses and anyone with information to contact police and share what they know," he said.

“People in the Kidbrooke area last Friday may recall seeing this man carrying a red reflective object, and possibly trying to conceal it up his sleeve. If so, please call police.

“Please share the CCTV footage on social media and, especially if you have connections to London or Kent, show the image to family members and friends who may not have seen it.


"He must be traced."

 

[JosieJo]

If as stated the cctv was before the attack ... what's the chances of this person not knowing she was on a date that evening...hanging around the pub area then leaving and ending up by her flat ?

 

[Sherlockhames]

Completely and utterly baffled now. What on earth is that object? What could it be?

 

[JuicyLucy]

Officers are 'content' that neither of the two men who have been arrested are the man shown in the CCTV footage.

Detectives continue to appeal to identify man in Sabina Nessa murder investigation

The moving image shown in this news story is much more edifying than the stills imo. For a start, I hadn't appreciated that he was walking past the building with the entryphone - in the still it looks as though he's inside and walking towards a glass exit door.

As for the red/orange object, it looks like a bandana to me. The comment "Officers retain an open mind as to whether this was used in the attack on Sabina" is telling.

"Used" is a very different concept from the taking of a trophy that people have suggested on this thread and makes me think she may have been strangled.

And he seems to look away just as he reaches the CCTV camera, but he can't hide that bald patch. I think if you knew him, you would recognise him. I hope someone comes forward asap.

JMO

ETA: Sorry, I was referring to this link but quoted the wrong post: https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/n...s-appeal-to-kent-to-identify-cctv-man-254621/

 

[Skigh]

If as stated the cctv was before the attack ... what's the chances of this person not knowing she was on a date that evening...hanging around the pub area then leaving and ending up by her flat ?

I am just wondering if the comment about just before the attack is a reporting error.

 

[SouthLondon85]

Reflective to me suggests the possibility of the kind of velcro straps some cyclists use to keep their trouser legs out of the way... I suppose you could strangle someone with one potentially. But that's a fairly niche object. Stumped really.

 

[Sherlockhames]

As for the red/orange object, it looks like a bandana to me. The comment "Officers retain an open mind as to whether this was used in the attack on Sabina" is telling.

"Used" is a very different concept from the taking of a trophy that people have suggested on this thread and makes me think she may have been strangled.

And he seems to look away just as he reaches the CCTV camera, but he can't hide that bald patch. I think if you knew him, you would recognise him. I hope someone comes forward asap.

JMO

ETA: Sorry, I was referring to this link but quoted the wrong post: https://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/n...s-appeal-to-kent-to-identify-cctv-man-254621/

I always thought it looked “soft” and as if it changed shape rather than something hard. So I think bandana is a good shout.

Could it possibly be a bandana used as a mask that is then taken off and secreted (I’m not sure whether it is hidden in the footage or if the way he turns his head just the obscures his body and hand in which he was holding it. But maybe footage of the attack show it being used in some way and being pulled from our of his sleeve? Clutching here. But still think it looks like a soft item (and bandana/strangulation is a possible theory if one discounts the Telegraph report which has not been confirmed officially and may only be partially correct. They could have the attack on cctv but it might have been she was attacked from behind and strangled). JMO. Still trying to figure out what on earth happened.

And if it turns out this is another stranger attack on a woman at a normal time of night going about normal activities then we need to have some more serious conversations about women’s safety because this is just bull***t.

 

[JosieJo]

I am just wondering if the comment about just before the attack is a reporting error.

Yes not at all sure ..

 

[JosieJo]

On "googling" the words "red reflective" the first and most popular results are red tape ..like duck / gaffer tape

 

[JuicyLucy]

And if it turns out this is another stranger attack on a woman at a normal time of night going about normal activities then we need to have some more serious conversations about women’s safety because this is just bull***t.

Omg, yes.