GUILTY UK - Sara Sharif, 10, found murdered in house, Surrey, Aug 2023 *POIs ARREST* #4

[Luwin]

Woking murder inquiry: Trio sought over death of girl, 10, have left UK

Police are working with international authorities to find the three people over the death in Woking.

www.bbc.co.uk

A murder investigation has been launched after the body of a 10-year-old girl was discovered in Surrey.
She was found after police officers were called to an address in Hammond Road, Woking, at about 02:50 BST on Thursday following a safety concern.
Det Ch Ins Debbie White said it was "a devastating incident".
Police had identified a number of individuals they would like to speak to and were not looking for anyone else, she said.
A spokesperson for the force said no-one else had been injured.

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[MadMcGoo]

Please continue the discussion here.

 

[Moll]

Before we really get going on this new thread, here's an article from earlier this year about the newspaper that has done a great deal of useful reporting on this trial: the Guildford Dragon.

‘Glimmer of hope’ for local news as Surrey publication given charitable status

Guildford Dragon will be able to benefit from tax breaks after becoming UK’s first charitable public interest news provider

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pinkestpanther]

This is a bit frustrating because we haven't seen the video of course. It would be fairly obvious if the 'slaps' were playful ones surely. Poor show by Batool's defence if that's what the video shows. Sara saying 'hey' after the last one isn't what I'd expect if they were forceful & intended to hurt.

I wonder if Batool will take the stand.

 

[su5ie]

I believe bienash was a vulnerable young woman which is why he preyed upon her . people like urfan are not attracted to strong people as they know they won't be able to manipulate them .
I think bienash is guilty of allowing the death of a child and possibly a perpetrator of physical abuse of Sara too . I'm aware her barrister will be narrating an image of a woman whom was also a victim of urfans abuse throughout the marriage and he was the sole perpetrator of the violence. Caroline will manipulate the evidence in order to show bienash in a positive light just as urfans lawyer done for him

I don't want people to come at me for this opinion it is only one of my hypothesis. I honestly feel all are guilty to different degrees .

Men or people like urfan generally don't change their pattern and urfan has form for being an abusive partner. I don't think bienash had any better of a life with him than any of his previous partners. I think anybody that appeared vulnerable to urfan was a target of his violence whether financial, verbal ,mental ,sexual ,physical or any other form of abuse that exists.

I was wondering and it is only a thought I'm putting out there did urfan force bienash to bite Sara so there was physical evidence to implicate her in the abuse ? Before he met bienash there is records of urfan using biting as abuse .

I have also being wondering why was the slapping of Sara recorded and why did the video stop when Sara said ' "hey ' was bienash secretly recording and stopped recording in order to grab the newborn in his arms as urfan escalated the violence against sara when she answered him back .

There Is something really sinister in the abuse when a child smiles upon being slapped . It shows a really vindictive method of abuse .

An abuser will often tell a victim to smile while hurting them as a form of controlling the most vulnerable of reflexive/ automatic emotions .It is a real sick form of torture as not only is the victim being bombarded with physical pain they also have to control their outward emotions which is very hard to do as the instinct is to cry out in pain . This really targets our primal response system

There are no words to describe the suffering Sara went through every part of her being was broken she would have been a shell of a human .

A life sentence is too good for urfan and a death penalty too quick . I don't know what punishment would be sufficient but a torture similar to what Sara suffered is what I would like to see . I'm sure there is a fancy term but in the more brutal ,tough prisons in the world the prisioner doesn't know when or where the guards will attack or subject the prisoners to torture. Luring them into a false sense of security and then wham out of nowhere torture begins

 

[Dotta]

This is a bit frustrating because we haven't seen the video of course. It would be fairly obvious if the 'slaps' were playful ones surely. Poor show by Batool's defence if that's what the video shows. Sara saying 'hey' after the last one isn't what I'd expect if they were forceful & intended to hurt.

I wonder if Batool will take the stand.

There are no "playful" face slaps.

Face is richly innervated and vascularized,
and located in close proximity to the brain.

The area of the face including the nose and upper lip is very vulnerable.

Due to its specific vascularization,
infection may occur and microorganisms have an easy way to the nervous system.

Slaps can cause eyes injuries.

They can cause severe nosebleed.

The consequences of slapping the face can be very serious.

And I don't even want to start about emotional/psychological consequences.

It is a symbol of disrespect.

JMO

 

[FlamingLily]

There are no "playful" face slaps.

Face is richly innervated and vascularized,
and located in close proximity to the brain.

The area of the face including the nose and upper lip is very vulnerable.

Due to its specific vascularization,
infection may occur and microorganisms have an easy way to the nervous system.

Slaps can cause eyes injuries.

They can cause severe nosebleed.

The consequences of slapping the face can be very serious.

And I don't even want to start about emotional/psychological consequences.

It is a symbol of disrespect.

JMO

YES. Blindness, permanent sensory issues, disfugurement, malnutrition if jaw fractured/dislocated. Neurological damage, palsies, burst eardrums, dental damage. Deep humiliation. How is an act that is physically disorientating (and disallowed in fighting competitions) going to "straighten out" any living being. Let alone a minor (frontal cortex matures only after age 25). Regardless of weather that skidmark himself was "coochie cooed" like that as a boy, to smile through the footage is reprehensible. Fuming.

 

[FlamingLily]

I believe bienash was a vulnerable young woman which is why he preyed upon her . people like urfan are not attracted to strong people as they know they won't be able to manipulate them .
I think bienash is guilty of allowing the death of a child and possibly a perpetrator of physical abuse of Sara too . I'm aware her barrister will be narrating an image of a woman whom was also a victim of urfans abuse throughout the marriage and he was the sole perpetrator of the violence. Caroline will manipulate the evidence in order to show bienash in a positive light just as urfans lawyer done for him

I don't want people to come at me for this opinion it is only one of my hypothesis. I honestly feel all are guilty to different degrees .

Men or people like urfan generally don't change their pattern and urfan has form for being an abusive partner. I don't think bienash had any better of a life with him than any of his previous partners. I think anybody that appeared vulnerable to urfan was a target of his violence whether financial, verbal ,mental ,sexual ,physical or any other form of abuse that exists.

I was wondering and it is only a thought I'm putting out there did urfan force bienash to bite Sara so there was physical evidence to implicate her in the abuse ? Before he met bienash there is records of urfan using biting as abuse .

I have also being wondering why was the slapping of Sara recorded and why did the video stop when Sara said ' "hey ' was bienash secretly recording and stopped recording in order to grab the newborn in his arms as urfan escalated the violence against sara when she answered him back .

There Is something really sinister in the abuse when a child smiles upon being slapped . It shows a really vindictive method of abuse .

An abuser will often tell a victim to smile while hurting them as a form of controlling the most vulnerable of reflexive/ automatic emotions .It is a real sick form of torture as not only is the victim being bombarded with physical pain they also have to control their outward emotions which is very hard to do as the instinct is to cry out in pain . This really targets our primal response system

There are no words to describe the suffering Sara went through every part of her being was broken she would have been a shell of a human .

A life sentence is too good for urfan and a death penalty too quick . I don't know what punishment would be sufficient but a torture similar to what Sara suffered is what I would like to see . I'm sure there is a fancy term but in the more brutal ,tough prisons in the world the prisioner doesn't know when or where the guards will attack or subject the prisoners to torture. Luring them into a false sense of security and then wham out of nowhere torture begins

It occurs to me she might have not been allowed to show displeasure and was punished for crying. So perhaps behaved upbeat to avoid a beating? I say this because I can't imagine why she was fatally attacked at her weakest and can only think crying or whimpering angered one or more adults. I also think the refuse bags were over her head to limit blood spatters in that morgue-like pristine Hammond Road rental. JMO

 

[Dotta]

It seems to me
that meeting of U&B was a result of some kind of stalking.

B's Defence said
her client was barely 20,
living in some kind of shelter since being a teen
and that her phone number was obtained by U through some shop employee.

He was still married to 2 women:
- Olga (officially)
- Pakistani cousin (unofficially)

What was this guy, older than B by 12 years, thinking pursuing another very young woman while still married?
(to 2 women)

B seemed estranged from family,
so,
easy to manipulate, groom and lure by this middle aged Lothario.

It all seems very suspicious to me

JMO

Sara Sharif’s stepmother was victim of ‘honour-based abuse’, court hears

When Sharif first met Batool, she was aged just 20 and “vulnerable” the Old Bailey heard

www-getsurrey-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[su5ie]

The more I see the picture of Sara in the green dress and makeup the more uncomfortable I feel

 

[Charlot123]

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I believe bienash was a vulnerable young woman which is why he preyed upon her . people like urfan are not attracted to strong people as they know they won't be able to manipulate them .
I think bienash is guilty of allowing the death of a child and possibly a perpetrator of physical abuse of Sara too . I'm aware her barrister will be narrating an image of a woman whom was also a victim of urfans abuse throughout the marriage and he was the sole perpetrator of the violence. Caroline will manipulate the evidence in order to show bienash in a positive light just as urfans lawyer done for him

I don't want people to come at me for this opinion it is only one of my hypothesis. I honestly feel all are guilty to different degrees .

Men or people like urfan generally don't change their pattern and urfan has form for being an abusive partner. I don't think bienash had any better of a life with him than any of his previous partners. I think anybody that appeared vulnerable to urfan was a target of his violence whether financial, verbal ,mental ,sexual ,physical or any other form of abuse that exists.

I was wondering and it is only a thought I'm putting out there did urfan force bienash to bite Sara so there was physical evidence to implicate her in the abuse ? Before he met bienash there is records of urfan using biting as abuse .

I have also being wondering why was the slapping of Sara recorded and why did the video stop when Sara said ' "hey ' was bienash secretly recording and stopped recording in order to grab the newborn in his arms as urfan escalated the violence against sara when she answered him back .

There Is something really sinister in the abuse when a child smiles upon being slapped . It shows a really vindictive method of abuse .

An abuser will often tell a victim to smile while hurting them as a form of controlling the most vulnerable of reflexive/ automatic emotions .It is a real sick form of torture as not only is the victim being bombarded with physical pain they also have to control their outward emotions which is very hard to do as the instinct is to cry out in pain . This really targets our primal response system

There are no words to describe the suffering Sara went through every part of her being was broken she would have been a shell of a human .

A life sentence is too good for urfan and a death penalty too quick . I don't know what punishment would be sufficient but a torture similar to what Sara suffered is what I would like to see . I'm sure there is a fancy term but in the more brutal ,tough prisons in the world the prisioner doesn't know when or where the guards will attack or subject the prisoners to torture. Luring them into a false sense of security and then wham out of nowhere torture begins

I understand the feeling, I can even tell what this forced play reminds me of: Lilian Gish in "Broken Blossoms" playing an abused girl who forces herself to smile.

However, to point out that while "prison justice" might seem fair in an individual case like this, in the big picture, it takes away the control over the prison system away from the society and puts it into the hands of stronger and more violent criminals. So, as a human, I understand, but still, let's not.

Urfan is too impulsive. Leave this man in a solitary, alone with his thoughts and inside his brain, and his head will soon explode. JMO.

 

[su5ie]

It occurs to me she might have not been allowed to show displeasure and was punished for crying. So perhaps behaved upbeat to avoid a beating? I say this because I can't imagine why she was fatally attacked at her weakest and can only think crying or whimpering angered one or more adults. I also think the refuse bags were over her head to limit blood spatters in that morgue-like pristine Hammond Road rental. JMO

Unfortunately I think you could be right regarding blood splatter .

We have not heard the prosecution case against fasial malik nor his defence yet .Although it seems his argument is he was never there .
Before your comment I did wonder if it was to hide the identity of whomever was battering Sara with the weapons .
My hypothesis was that prehaps if malik was taking part during the beatings it was because urfan grew "tired " but wanted to continue punishment so malik took over .

On reflection this was quite a repulsive thought of mine and your thought makes more sense . At the moment of my thought I felt nothing was beneath them to actually have this methodology

 

[su5ie]

I'm very interested in hearing the evidence against bienash by the prosecution.

We know she bought the tape or at the very least it was purchased through her account on amazon . urfan controlled finances and felt it was ok to have a wifes bank card in previous relationships so no reason to suggest his pattern had changed with bienash .We know she allowed the death of a child by confiding in her sisters that urfan was going to end up killing sara .

We know bienash used foul language and shouted at the children but I wonder is there any evidence she inflicted physical violence on Sara .

When the information of Sara's injuries came out I had felt prehaps the more forceful and aggressive bone breakages were from a male because of the strength needed to cause them .
Probably sexist of me but I felt most women wouldn't have the strength to inflict injuries normally seen in severe car crashes .
I did think the burning with the iron and the binding/ locking in room and smaller injuries like scrapes and bites was bienash as I felt these might be things an abusive woman would do . But it seems urfan was engaging in this behaviour before he met bienash .

So I'm starting to wonder did bienash actually physically injure Sara?. We are led to believe by evidence presented by Caroline that Sara was happier in bienash's company??

I'm on the fence at the moment regarding the degree of bienashs involvement Any one else have any thoughts on this ?

 

[irnbru]

I really want to know what changed between B contacting solicitors about child arrangement orders for all the children and seeming to prepare to get them all away from U, and Sara's murder. Did U discover B's plans? Why did things not progress in that area?

Re B's part in the gross physical abuse... The bites and her failure to provide a dental impression bother me immensely.

 

[Charlot123]

I'm very interested in hearing the evidence against bienash by the prosecution.

We know she bought the tape or at the very least it was purchased through her account on amazon . urfan controlled finances and felt it was ok to have a wifes bank card in previous relationships so no reason to suggest his pattern had changed with bienash .We know she allowed the death of a child by confiding in her sisters that urfan was going to end up killing sara .

We know bienash used foul language and shouted at the children but I wonder is there any evidence she inflicted physical violence on Sara .

When the information of Sara's injuries came out I had felt prehaps the more forceful and aggressive bone breakages were from a male because of the strength needed to cause them .
Probably sexist of me but I felt most women wouldn't have the strength to inflict injuries normally seen in severe car crashes .
I did think the burning with the iron and the binding/ locking in room and smaller injuries like scrapes and bites was bienash as I felt these might be things an abusive woman would do . But it seems urfan was engaging in this behaviour before he met bienash .

So I'm starting to wonder did bienash actually physically injure Sara?. We are led to believe by evidence presented by Caroline that Sara was happier in bienash's company??

I'm on the fence at the moment regarding the degree of bienashs involvement Any one else have any thoughts on this ?

I think that Urfan and Bienash are equally guilty of Sara’s murder. Now, they are absolutely competent and knew what they were doing, but neither of them appear quite balanced, to be honest. One is probably easily overwhelmed and while seemingly bright, occasionally behaves rabidly- what does biting a kid or cutting own dresses means? The other one appears less bright, but is impulsive, angry and has addictive behaviors, gambling, womanizing and perhaps, drinking. Then he overworks to cover up for lost money, I presume.

There is an odd mix of extreme toxicity and codependency, or maybe they were both sadistic and enjoy torture and chaos. But I think that both and each separately made conscious choice to torture Sara.

 

[ItsMissScarlet]

I'm very interested in hearing the evidence against bienash by the prosecution.

We know she bought the tape or at the very least it was purchased through her account on amazon . urfan controlled finances and felt it was ok to have a wifes bank card in previous relationships so no reason to suggest his pattern had changed with bienash .We know she allowed the death of a child by confiding in her sisters that urfan was going to end up killing sara .

We know bienash used foul language and shouted at the children but I wonder is there any evidence she inflicted physical violence on Sara .

When the information of Sara's injuries came out I had felt prehaps the more forceful and aggressive bone breakages were from a male because of the strength needed to cause them .
Probably sexist of me but I felt most women wouldn't have the strength to inflict injuries normally seen in severe car crashes .
I did think the burning with the iron and the binding/ locking in room and smaller injuries like scrapes and bites was bienash as I felt these might be things an abusive woman would do . But it seems urfan was engaging in this behaviour before he met bienash .

So I'm starting to wonder did bienash actually physically injure Sara?. We are led to believe by evidence presented by Caroline that Sara was happier in bienash's company??

I'm on the fence at the moment regarding the degree of bienashs involvement Any one else have any thoughts on this ?

You are led to believe that Sara was happier with Beinash because that is her job, to get BB acquitted or at least to minimise her involvement to get her a lesser charge / reduced sentence.

Women absolutely do have the power to inflict terrible injuries - especially on a small child, and there have been many many cases of women causing horrific injuries to children. Look at the crimes of Shelly Knotek for example.
I am currently following the case of Avantae Deven, who is charged with killing 2 of her adopted children. (There are many many more examples - I’m sure others on here could give more examples).

I am still waiting for an explanation for those bite marks, and why Beinash is the only one refusing to give a dental impression.

It also troubles me that experts have reported that Sara’s wounds were not treated.
So even IF Beinash did not inflict those injuries on Sarah, it troubles me that she didn’t even try to help her or to treat her.
I feel like even if she didn’t inflict the abuse on her, there should be signs that she had tried to at least help her, ease her suffering, but there’s no sign that she ever received any treatment for any of her injuries.

I do understand why you would be on the fence though, and I agree, I am also interested to hear evidence from the prosecution.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

Unfortunately I think you could be right regarding blood splatter .

We have not heard the prosecution case against fasial malik nor his defence yet .Although it seems his argument is he was never there .
Before your comment I did wonder if it was to hide the identity of whomever was battering Sara with the weapons .
My hypothesis was that prehaps if malik was taking part during the beatings it was because urfan grew "tired " but wanted to continue punishment so malik took over .

On reflection this was quite a repulsive thought of mine and your thought makes more sense . At the moment of my thought I felt nothing was beneath them to actually have this methodology

BBM I've been thinking about this a lot. As a young adult when I lived at home. I don't know if I would have noticed such things. Between getting up for work, seeing friends, clubbing on weekends. I literally would breeze into the house going straight to my room or shower, then I would be off again. If I noticed one of my younger siblings with a bruise and I was to ask about it. I would have easily accepted being told they fell at school or whatever and not given it another thought. So I'm not going to form any judgement yet until there is more info

 

[Dotta]

I think that Urfan and Bienash are equally guilty of Sara’s murder. Now, they are absolutely competent and knew what they were doing, but neither of them appear quite balanced, to be honest. One is probably easily overwhelmed and while seemingly bright, occasionally behaves rabidly- what does biting a kid or cutting own dresses means? The other one appears less bright, but is impulsive, angry and has addictive behaviors, gambling, womanizing and perhaps, drinking. Then he overworks to cover up for lost money, I presume.

There is an odd mix of extreme toxicity and codependency, or maybe they were both sadistic and enjoy torture and chaos. But I think that both and each separately made conscious choice to torture Sara.

I agree 100%

B seems to me a "highly strung" individual.
With troubled adolescence.
Separated from family.
Then trapped in an abusive marriage with 6!!!! children, dependent financially on a violent husband, probably an addict.
Not a life a girl might dream of.
Her screaming indicates she was overwhelmed by this situation.
Her constant messaging with sisters and complaints
are very telling.

Imagine taking care of 6 kids, household chores, cooking for 9 people day by day without any help as husband was always working.
Constant pandemonium.

JMO

 

[Moll]

BBM I've been thinking about this a lot. As a young adult when I lived at home. I don't know if I would have noticed such things. Between getting up for work, seeing friends, clubbing on weekends. I literally would breeze into the house going straight to my room or shower, then I would be off again. If I noticed one of my younger siblings with a bruise and I was to ask about it. I would have easily accepted being told they fell at school or whatever and not given it another thought. So I'm not going to form any judgement yet until there is more info

This was not just a bruise, though. It was major injuries resulting from torture over a long period of time, and we need to know if there can be any innocent explanation for Faisal Malik's DNA being on the belt.
I agree that we should wait for more evidence (on all of them) but I do not believe there is any innocent party here - maybe one slightly less guilty,

 

[Dotta]

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