UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 #4 *Arrests*

[manfromut]

Well that justifies the 'complex nature of the case' the police were talking about.

It also shows that they did have more than they were letting on. As many suspected. It also explains why they were so tight lipped. It also gives clues as to why they made the thorough searches including CSI that they did.

I stated my personal view that she was removed from the area via vehicle and still believe this to be true. It would be easier to do that if it wasn't an attack but a willing cooperation from SE. How does that happen? If it's someone you know or a figure of authority with instant trust... the police.

For any USA readers remember the cop James Duckett? It does happen.

This reminds me somewhat of the Russell Williams case. High ranking member in the Canadian Air Force, if I recall. A serial offender. I think one of the locations Williams committed crimes was Kent, Ontario. I am not certain on that. Strange coincidence. Similar "complexity". He was ultimately connected to multiple missing women.. I have a feeling this may be the same in that regard. Daniel Holtzclaw of Oklahoma, as well. Investigating the investigators. Lowest of the low. People who knew how to commit crimes and avoid detection. Cops are humans too. Who can you trust? I will read about James Duckett. I'm a bit behind, sorry if any of this has been mentioned. Thinking of Sarah and her family here in the US. Terrible.

Just want to add - I can't imagine how difficult this has been for decent investigators who have - like all of us - been puzzled by this case. Must be a worst nightmare for so many reasons. The betrayal. Integrity in LE is everything. Society depends on it. Again, thoughts with Sarah and her loved ones.

 

[Tee847]

Not all police officers have a knowledge or understanding of such investigation methods. They are normally the preserve of intelligence work or major crime investigation.

If tracking was switched of that could demonstrate a degree of planning.

I agree, tho the vehicle itself would still be trackable anyway. The data terminal in the vehicle is hardwired to the car and would always give off a signal as long as the vehicle has the ignition on. Unless they tore the whole unit out, they would still be traceable with a little digging.

 

[tedtink]

It would be interesting to know what evidence they had that led to his arrest. If we ever find out.

If it goes to Court, we'll see some evidence we usually follow the trial + updates on here.

Just hoping they find Sarah now, whatever the outcome may be.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

If it goes to Court, we'll see some evidence we usually follow the trial + updates on here.

Just hoping they find Sarah now, whatever the outcome may be.

Unless there is a guilty plea, which means information regarding the investigation will be limited.

 

[dotr]

the easiest answer is it turned off naturally the other end of the spectrum is someone destroyed it to stop it working

somewhere along that line is probably what happened, thats all i can really guess

Could it be possible that the perp immediately covered Sarah's phone with fiber glass, essentially cutting the signal? speculation.

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[LdnPimlico]

Hi,

It's my first time posting but I have read every single post about SE's case on this site - which I only discovered this week! Much like many of the others who have posted before me, I am of similar age and have lived in central London for over 10 years. Sarah going missing with such little trace of her has captured my thoughts and I have been desperately worried about her since I heard this news, despite not knowing her personally. I am also utterly shocked by the most recent Met Police announcement...but I wanted to share a few things/thoughts about the case that I have noticed coming up a few times. All of the below is my own opinions - based on facts that have been stated throughout the forum from reliable sources.

1. The phone - having had an iPhone 10 for 3 years previously, I know that the battery becomes extremely unreliable after the year and a half point - with generally heavy use - I imagine her phone usage would be similar to mine. It is highly likely that her phone battery died, particularly if she hadn't charged it at her friends house and then had made a phonecall on the way home. I have seen others posting about the cold - yes - when you have one of these old iphones, despite them saying they have 10-20% battery, they can randomly just switch off in the cold - particularly during a call or just after a call ending! Has happened to me countless times. I've seen people talking about Faraday boxes etc and I just think that the most likely thing is the phone battery dying...

2. The phonecall - I think this is quite common - If I am walking home alone in the dark, I would often call someone and speak to them whilst walking as to not feel so alone/be able to tell them/let them hear something if someone approached me. I actually did think the timing of the call and the locations last seen as well as the last ping to Clarence Ave suggested that she ended the call and changed directions slightly - but since all of the activity today at Poynders Court I am thinking less along those lines...

3. The arrest - I have seen the old abandoned police station pictures, and whilst creepy, is a fair way back in the direction she came from - given all the activity at Poynders Court... though in one of the photos of the drain searches it matches up with a house a few houses before the police station (in the direction of Clapham common). I find it hugely unlikely that this police officer was using a police vehicle - for all the tracking reasons others have mentioned.

I know this arrest seems to have made everyone think of 'police' related things - i.e. the police car and the station, but I think the focus should still be on Poynders Court, given the examination of that area today.

I also wanted to mention in terms of Poynders search - it may be that other staff are wearing body suits/full PPE to enter buildings for any reason and not just to investigate a possible crime scene - in light of the ongoing pandemic. Just a thought if you see people in these body suits elsewhere - it might not be a potential crime scene!

I am not an expert by any measure in these situations but I am perhaps naively still hoping that despite the latest news - she is still out there somewhere and will be found.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Could it be possible that the perp immediately covered Sarah's phone with fiber glass, essentially cutting the signal? speculation.

Top 5 Surprising Things That Block Your Cell Signal | WilsonPro
rbbm.
''Fiberglass insulation. While it’s not surprising that common building materials such as concrete, steel, brick and wood are cell signal killers, you may not expect to find fluffy pink stuff on the list of things that impede signal. While fiberglass insulation isn’t particularly dense compared to these other materials, it is still composed of substances that repel signal. Just as it keeps heat and cold in, it is also very good at keeping cell signal out.''

I wouldn't rely on any of those substances blocking a mobile signal.

RFID wallets and silver foil are hit and miss at best.

As I have alluded to before, a Faraday bag will be sure to block mobile signals.

 

[infinit]

Heading to bed but hope there is some news on Sarah tomorrow. We've focused a lot on the suspect but she's still out there somewhere to our knowledge. I'm sure a MSM would have picked up a significant ongoing police operation going on somewher but I hope I'm wrong.

 

[PingTheRouter]

As I have alluded to before, a Faraday bag will be sure to block mobile signals.

i will be keeping an eye on this, as it will be interesting to know if they used this or not

having a signal drop so quickly really only has 2 or 3 outcomes, damage/faraday object / a cell jammer... but for me a cell jammer only works in a certain area like a house as soon as you pass the boundary it'll work again

 

[Tee847]

i will be keeping an eye on this, as it will be interesting to know if they used this or not

having a signal drop so quickly really only has 2 or 3 outcomes, damage/faraday object / a cell jammer... but for me a cell jammer only works in a certain area like a house as soon as you pass the boundary it'll work again

Damage surely the most likely explanation - sophisticated methods like faraday bags or cell jammers doesn't exactly sound like a great solution when their vehicle will have pinged numerous cctv and cameras once they've touched the a205 wherever they may have be coming from or going to that night.

 

[Gibbo214]

Just taking an unallocated police car wouldn't be very easy to do without creating a data trail.

I don't suspect that this will be an officer on duty in a police vehicle.

It will more than likely be someone that SE knew on a personal level.

For me the thought of a police officer targeting women on a busy London street at 9.30 at night doesn't strike me as the MO of someone who knows about LE.

Even if he is a police officer?

 

[Whitehall 1212]

This reminds me somewhat of the Russell Williams case. High ranking member in the Canadian Air Force, if I recall. A serial offender. I think one of the locations Williams committed crimes was Kent, Ontario. I am not certain on that. Strange coincidence. Similar "complexity". He was ultimately connected to multiple missing women.. I have a feeling this may be the same in that regard. Daniel Holtzclaw of Oklahoma, as well. Investigating the investigators. Lowest of the low. People who knew how to commit crimes and avoid detection. Cops are humans too. Who can you trust? I will read about James Duckett. I'm a bit behind, sorry if any of this has been mentioned. Thinking of Sarah and her family here in the US. Terrible.

Just want to add - I can't imagine how difficult this has been for honest investigators who have - like all of us - been puzzled by this case.

I am assuming you are in America?

The police in the UK do not give running commentaries about investigations and lines of enquiry so "tight lipped" is the way over here.

The searches of public areas were high profile by their nature and that this was/is a missing person investigation.

The Scenes of Crime Officer's being present in numbers at the flats indicates that there were one or more areas of significant interest, possibly as a result of the arrests, which may have been a number of hours before they were announced.

 

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[Tee847]

Even if he is a police officer?

It's way too busy a road for police to stop and target an individual randomly. Also, unless they're a dog unit, it's very rare for an officer to be single manned.

 

[Whitehall 1212]

Damage surely the most likely explanation - sophisticated methods like faraday bags or cell jammers doesn't exactly sound like a great solution when their vehicle will have pinged numerous cctv and cameras once they've touched the a205 wherever they may have be coming from or going to that night.

But that only applies if you can link a particular vehicle to SE or have some description of vehicles of interest.

By silencing the phone signal, without something else to link suspicious activity to the vehicle, e.g. an eyewitness, then the suspects vehicle could be one of a multitude that pass CCTV, traffic cameras, ANPR, bus cams, cab cams, private car cams etc.

They are no good if you don't know what you are looking for.

 

[Vaccine]

Asking any Met LE experts. Is it feasible that an officer could be finishing a shift at 9pm or thereabouts and be heading home in his own car? Are there standard shift patterns?

Another way of approaching her might have been to get out of the car and show his ID and tell her that there's been an incident, some violence, gang related incident, whatever on the road ahead and that it might not be safe for her to continue on her route and offer a lift?

Or of course if he was a neighbour/landlord he could have done the same thing.

If he had quickly bashed her over the head he could then have de-activated her phone and made his way out of the area.

 

[Tee847]

Asking any Met LE experts. Is it feasible that an officer could be finishing a shift at 9pm or thereabouts and be heading home in his own car? Are there standard shift patterns?

Another way of approaching her might have been to get out of the car and show his ID and tell her that there's been an incident, some violence, gang related incident, whatever on the road ahead and that it might not be safe for her to continue on her route and offer a lift?

Or of course if he was a neighbour/landlord he could have done the same thing.

If he had quickly bashed her over the head he could then have de-activated her phone and made his way out of the area.

Shift end times vary of course, but the rest makes no sense unless she is plastered, or unless he knows her already. It's a main road with constant traffic. If she's ballsy enough to walk home in an area i personally wouldn't, she would be unlikely to be trapped by such a fanciful notion.

 

[Tee847]

But that only applies if you can link a particular vehicle to SE or have some description of vehicles of interest.

By silencing the phone signal, without something else to link suspicious activity to the vehicle, e.g. an eyewitness, then the suspects vehicle could be one of a multitude that pass CCTV, traffic cameras, ANPR, bus cams, cab cams, private car cams etc.

They are no good if you don't know what you are looking for.

My point was that if they were that clever to go thru to the lengths of using faraday bags etc, it would be also massively naive to let themselves be tracked to the point of contact with so many cameras around. Surely a genuine offender wouldn't be that clever and thick all at the same time.

 

[tmar]

Hi,

It's my first time posting but I have read every single post about SE's case on this site - which I only discovered this week! Much like many of the others who have posted before me, I am of similar age and have lived in central London for over 10 years. Sarah going missing with such little trace of her has captured my thoughts and I have been desperately worried about her since I heard this news, despite not knowing her personally. I am also utterly shocked by the most recent Met Police announcement...but I wanted to share a few things/thoughts about the case that I have noticed coming up a few times. All of the below is my own opinions - based on facts that have been stated throughout the forum from reliable sources.

1. The phone - having had an iPhone 10 for 3 years previously, I know that the battery becomes extremely unreliable after the year and a half point - with generally heavy use - I imagine her phone usage would be similar to mine. It is highly likely that her phone battery died, particularly if she hadn't charged it at her friends house and then had made a phonecall on the way home. I have seen others posting about the cold - yes - when you have one of these old iphones, despite them saying they have 10-20% battery, they can randomly just switch off in the cold - particularly during a call or just after a call ending! Has happened to me countless times. I've seen people talking about Faraday boxes etc and I just think that the most likely thing is the phone battery dying...

2. The phonecall - I think this is quite common - If I am walking home alone in the dark, I would often call someone and speak to them whilst walking as to not feel so alone/be able to tell them/let them hear something if someone approached me. I actually did think the timing of the call and the locations last seen as well as the last ping to Clarence Ave suggested that she ended the call and changed directions slightly - but since all of the activity today at Poynders Court I am thinking less along those lines...

3. The arrest - I have seen the old abandoned police station pictures, and whilst creepy, is a fair way back in the direction she came from - given all the activity at Poynders Court... though in one of the photos of the drain searches it matches up with a house a few houses before the police station (in the direction of Clapham common). I find it hugely unlikely that this police officer was using a police vehicle - for all the tracking reasons others have mentioned.

I know this arrest seems to have made everyone think of 'police' related things - i.e. the police car and the station, but I think the focus should still be on Poynders Court, given the examination of that area today.

I also wanted to mention in terms of Poynders search - it may be that other staff are wearing body suits/full PPE to enter buildings for any reason and not just to investigate a possible crime scene - in light of the ongoing pandemic. Just a thought if you see people in these body suits elsewhere - it might not be a potential crime scene!

I am not an expert by any measure in these situations but I am perhaps naively still hoping that despite the latest news - she is still out there somewhere and will be found.

Welcome @LdnPimlico.
Your first post, with good thoughts.
Hope to hear more from you.

 

[lauraeva]

Been quietly watching this thread thinking that its always the white middle class young women who go missing who command most interest here, and the most police resources.

We all feel for someone we can identify with and still hope Sarah might be found alive, or at least found and justice done.

Now that a police officer has been arrested it really looks like its going to be a crime of passion, with the offender perhaps an obsessed ex-boyfriend, someone she ran and trained with ? Which is far more usual in cases like these than the horror of a stranger attack and abduction.

Guess we'll find out fairy soon.