UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 #4 *Arrests*

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Police don't go round single staffed in a car in south london tho, unless it's a dog unit, and they certainly wouldn't be dispatched to a call like that as a single. The tracking of the officer and his vehicle or radio would have flagged him instantly as a person of interest

I’m of the same thinking. Hundreds of eyes have looked over the CCTV footage in the surrounding areas of that evening and I can’t recall anybody saying they saw a police car. Maybe.. in the doorbell cam footage, the reason they haven’t shown the public is because the police officer personal car has been spotted and if this info was released, somebody could trace the number plate and identify that this belongs to a police officer?
 
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We don't know rank and he could have been off duty and in an unmarked car.

Unmarked cars are still tracked. Off shift they are also still tracked on the control screen as the transponders are attached to the vehicle itself, so it's not a case of them turning their tracking off as such .
 
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Just wanted to contribute to the recent discussion re her phone: I had my phone grabbed from my hands from someone on a bike in south London a couple of months back. A security guard in front of a nearby building saw it happen and called the police. I had two officers with me in less than two minutes. They got me to get into the car with them and we drove around trying to ID the guy. The *** told me that this was part of a well known phone theft issue in south London and they had already upwards of 12 calls for the same thing that evening. They told me that they look for people who have their phones out next to a road and grab them and then turn them off instantly so can’t be tracked (my phone was also disconnected by whoever stole it instantly).

The reason I bring this up is because given how wide spread this has been in south London, I do think the theory that SE had her phone stolen and then turned off and this is how she may have gotten into the PO’s car is very plausible. Especially if SE had her phone out having just spoken with her BF walking along the road she would be a prime target for this. Perhaps she tried chasing the thief (I did the same) and that’s when she was highlighted to the PO.

Since having my phone stolen I’ve heard from countless other people in south London that the same thing either happened to them or they know someone, and all said that the *** also told them to get in the car with them to do a drive around, so I could easily see SE having no hesitations doing the same with a PO with a badge.

I know those phone theft attacks are quite common, usually a couple of people on bikes...I know the TFL footage isnt totally complete but I didn't see/no one else has mentioned seeing what looks like a bike theft group around that time... doesn't mean it isn't possible though. But the police officer drive around part seems so implausible in this case, because I think, if she had gotten into an on-duty police officers car that night, the police would have known about it sooner. But I suppose if she had run after some phone thieves, and the off duty police officer spotted her, he might have stopped and asked if she needed help. I don't know if you'd trust someone off duty claiming to be a police officer....unless you were scared, flustered and had just been the victim of a phone theft I suppose.

I did also have this wild thought re: the weird post on this page a few days ago about the Putney police officer - if perhaps they did use the footage to see if they could go back to the area without being noticed - perhaps had gotten rid of some evidence at Poynders Court bins but wanted to go and retrieve it - and someone spotted them then..?
 
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Was it wet that night ? , as tho i'm local, i don't recall it being that.

The south circ has streetlights every 50 yards tops - they aren't going to be missing out on detail of a car in misly rain which is all it could have been at best.

Buses with cctv are running along there all the time.

The traffic flow will have been busy but not to the point where a car pinging in one direction would have been able to disappear in the other. This isn't a road where you can just pop a u-turn and wiggle yourself out without pinging another camera.

The cctv/anpr stuff isn't necessarily investigated only by the team dealing with the incident as i'm sure you know so the bit about overtime isn't always an issue.

The SIO has a finite budget and resources. This is one of many serious crimes being investigated by the Met.

The SIO, will make the decision on the lines of enquiry to be pursued based on her considerable experience, together with input from her experienced detectives.

Days of viewing CCTV has to be justified as a legitimate line of enquiry. In such a case she will assign specialist officers within her team to do this. They will have a specific remit of what footage to view based on what is already known.

The idea you have that all footage from a wide area, can be collated and watched in an effort to find something, who knows what, is totally wrong.
 
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I’m going off the assumption that he may not have been on duty but potentially randomly came across her in the aftermath but was still able to get her into the car with his badge (probably knowing that taking the victim on a drive around to attempt to ID the thief if common practice which would not arouse her suspicions).

she would needed to have been REALLY unlucky to have firstly had her phone stolen by someone to then be picked up by a police officer who then had something to do with her disappearance.
The phone has been switched off for a reason, either she knew the guy and she switched it off so the bf couldn’t ring etc or he switched it off straight away.
 
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I’m of the same thinking. Hundreds of eyes have looked over the CCTV footage in the surrounding areas of that evening and I can’t recall anybody saying they saw a police car. Maybe.. in the doorbell cam footage, the reason they haven’t shown the public is because the police officer personal car has been spotted and if this info was released, somebody could trace the number plate and identify that this belongs to a police officer?
Yes, I’m thinking the same. We had wondered why the ring cam footage was mentioned but never shown to the public. There’s obviously something on that footage of value which the police didn’t want public at that time.
 
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The SIO has a finite budget and resources. This is one of many serious crimes being investigated by the Met.

The idea you have that all footage from a wide area, can be collated and watched in an effort to find something, who knows what, is totally wrong.

<modsnip> I haven't said about having to get all footage from a wide area, collated and watched in an effort to find something.
I didn't think i'd have to spell this out, but if you think of the location of all this and the rather sensitive policing location that is extremely close to where this has all occurred, it won't be quite the task you're assuming it will be.

Anyway, long shift, so off to bed. Cheers all.
 
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Perhaps the footage just shows the car driving by, but investigating the curb would add proof that the car stopped in the last place SE phone pinged? The police have had this knowledge since the footage came to fruition (4 days ago?), so I’m not surprised considering the ‘complex’ nature of the case, we’re only hearing about it now.
 
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Well. Going to sleep last night was a bad idea ...

Sorry if I’m repeating any points but, I’d it possible the POI lived in the flats? I know he was arrested in Kent but that doesn’t mean that’s where he lives. Fled the scene of his crime? But where is Sarah? :(
 
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she would needed to have been REALLY unlucky to have firstly had her phone stolen by someone to then be picked up by a police officer who then had something to do with her disappearance.
The phone has been switched off for a reason, either she knew the guy and she switched it off so the bf couldn’t ring etc or he switched it off straight away.

The only reason I think there’s a possibility that the phone was already off/dead when the incident happened is that like others have mentioned, the whole thing must have happened extraordinarily quickly.
 
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Ooooft this has took a sinister turn.

Hope Sarah is found alive and well, a long shot I know.
 
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Yes, I’m thinking the same. We had wondered why the ring cam footage was mentioned but never shown to the public. There’s obviously something on that footage of value which the police didn’t want public at that time.

I think you may find it is something as basic as GDPR, witness identification, i.e. the householder.

The image may undermine the validity of any other witness testimony if evidence has been shown to the general public with a time stamp or it may just not be great quality.
 
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Would the perp even need to be in a car? The police and forensics searching the flats nearby to where she was last known to be makes me think no car was used around 9.30pm anyway. Depending on where SE is right now a car may have been used at a later date/time
 
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I think you may find it is something as basic as GDPR, witness identification, i.e. the householder.

The image may undermine the validity of any other witness testimony if evidence has been shown to the general public with a time stamp or it may just not be great quality.

very doubtful. It has never been an issue before with many cases. The time stamp can be hidden before showing to the public if needs be and as for those ring door bell cams... the quality is excellent so that scraps that idea too.
I don’t know but gut is telling me there’s absolutely something on it.
 
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A met police officer has been arrested in connection with her disappearance
 
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You're not getting what i'm saying at all. I haven't said about having to get all footage from a wide area, collated and watched in an effort to find something.
I didn't think i'd have to spell this out, but if you think of the location of all this and the rather sensitive policing location that is extremely close to where this has all occurred, it won't be quite the task you're assuming it will be.

Anyway, long shift, so off to bed. Cheers all.

I am not going to assume who, what or where you are referring to.

You are not spelling anything out clearly. Your post is ambiguous and all a bit "nudge, nudge, wink, wink". I can think of many sensitive locations in that area, some better known than others.

Please make your point crystal clear.
 
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Morning all, just waking up and taking in the latest news! I do remember that post from someone on here saying they had been approached by LE to say they did not know how to access the archive of the LTA footage, significant? it seems now to be very odd and I thought so at the time. Also someone posted a still of video footage which showed what looked like a police van at the relevant time, again relevant? Interesting also that a female has also been arrested my view now is the officer could have been driving that van we saw on the video still he picks up SE and assaults (probably sexually) in his van , drives some where and either kills or ( less likely sadly) holds hostage , the female assists him in giving him alibi? or destroying evidence. If this guy has had something to do with this let us hope he tells them everything,
I feel very sad this morning :(
 
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ALso I wonder if SE had a friend or acquaintence in the force?
 
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