Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #11

[Herat]

Another poster on this thread had suggested that he had the same hire car during the Indecent Exposure episode and perhaps that's why he wasn't immediately identified from the license plate.

I don't think he was identified as the IE perp before Wednesday.

 

[CaligulaBlushed]

A new member made some very good points in the previous thread which I was going to quote but that thread got closed - then this one did for a while.

It was linking the incidents of the alleged perpetrator with what was going on by the Police.

So the kidnap was on 3rd March after which the alleged perpetrator was on leave until 8th

5th March the alleged perpetrator contacted Police to say he was suffering from stress (new member pointed out this was after media coverage of Police searches announced).

6th March the alleged perpetrator emailed to say he no longer wished to use firearms (again new member pointed out this was after investigation intensified).

In other words once the search and media became well known he reacted - while at home on leave.

Could be possible also that when the media coverage and Police investigation intensified, he decided to move the body or make sure it couldn't be identified.

Also a pattern there with the head injuries occurring each time a new major announcement was made regarding finding the victim and identifying the victim.

All supposition and JMO and that of the other member (sorry I can't find their post now).

Hey, I think you might mean my post - here it is again just because you said you'd looked for it.

Rest in peace Sarah, you deserved to live.

"Hello, first time poster!

Two points:

1. The police rearrested WC for murder BEFORE they found Sarah's body, didn't they? I wonder if this is because the cadaver search dogs had reacted to something seized, such as the cars, or whether they had extracted any compelling information from the wife. Or perhaps this was a necessary procedural step to start asking a different set of questions.

2. WC's message to his supervisor about stress on 5 March is the same day that news about Sarah's disappearance first came into the public domain via social media and the Missing People site. Seeing this, it may have been the first time the accused had to confront the reality of the alleged crimes in the cold light of day. Many offenders operate normally most of the time and keep a curtain over their darker compulsions, even to themselves. This was potentially a sudden pulling back of the curtain and realisation the alleged crimes had not gone undetected for ages like sometimes happens in other cases.

Similarly, the email on 6 March regarding no longer wishing to handle weapons coincides with the day of the first public appeal from the Metropolitan Police. So perhaps that caused stress, reflection and panic and either genuine concern about his capacities once reality started to flood in, or it was part of a cynical ploy to lay down deteriorating mental health as a defence as others have theorised."

 

[LolaPasha]

The breathalyser photo is from a few years ago
Sarah Everard: Serving Met Police officer, 48, arrested over disappearance | Daily Mail Online

Thankyou for that, I'm sure I did read previously that it was after his arrest,but there's clearer info out now. There's always a possibility that he can purchase fake uniform. With his warrant card it would make it look real enough.

 

[Seni]

I don't think anyone has an agenda, women are angry that we're clearly not safe and that the vast majority of that danger comes from men, and such a lot of sexual harassment is completely ignored by society and the police. I think the vigil for Sarah was a really beautiful idea, and I feel as well as honouring Sarah, it also represented women coming together with this outpouring of emotion her murder has brought to light. She was killed because violence towards women is a horrible issue, and that issue affects all of us - I don't think the two things can really be separated.

I'm not sure why anyone would think it's a political agenda to be angry that a police officer has brutally murdered someone, and to be angry that so many men hurt and harass women. Labelling that as political feels to me like yet another way of minimising the issue and invalidating women's experiences.

It's sad it did get heated, but I think that speaks to how much collective grief and fear and outrage people are feeling, for Sarah and for the very reason why she died.

Hola Nancy,

I don't want to snip your post in any way: I think you have made a very complete and sincere reply. Agree totally with your conclusion.

We are all very vulnerable all over the world, we have had the most worrying and horrendous year.

 

[TLobo]

A new member made some very good points in the previous thread which I was going to quote but that thread got closed - then this one did for a while.

It was linking the incidents of the alleged perpetrator with what was going on by the Police.

So the kidnap was on 3rd March after which the alleged perpetrator was on leave until 8th

5th March the alleged perpetrator contacted Police to say he was suffering from stress (new member pointed out this was after media coverage of Police searches announced).

6th March the alleged perpetrator emailed to say he no longer wished to use firearms (again new member pointed out this was after investigation intensified).

In other words once the search and media became well known he reacted - while at home on leave.

Could be possible also that when the media coverage and Police investigation intensified, he decided to move the body or make sure it couldn't be identified.

Also a pattern there with the head injuries occurring each time a new major announcement was made regarding finding the victim and identifying the victim.

All supposition and JMO and that of the other member (sorry I can't find their post now).

I think this makes sense. I was also wondering, while the thread was closed, if maybe WC was setting the stage to leave the country or otherwise disappear himself. Making it seem like he would be extending his leave due to stress, but actually fleeing to somewhere unknown in an effort to hide because he assumed they were on to him, or would soon be on to him. All speculation.

 

[Skigh]

Thankyou for that, I'm sure I did read previously that it was after his arrest,but there's clearer info out now. There's always a possibility that he can purchase fake uniform. With his warrant card it would make it look real enough.

The police have cctv evidence ,so will know what he was wearing.

 

[Stella123]

Hi everyone newbie here, Im sorry if my points have already been raised. I've been trying to keep up while working too and the threads are moving at quite a pace.

1. In terms of WC wearing a uniform out of hours, am I right in thinking that the photo of him with the breathalyser where he is in uniform, was taken after his arrest at his home, and after his shift on the 8th? That would suggest to me that he is able to access uniform out of work hours.

2. If this is the case, it might well explain why he would stop and put the hazards on, maybe to complete fake paperwork with SE and then remove her phone and force her into the car stating non compliance. This might explain why buses would not think anything different of a policeman at the side of the road. In terms of Covid, he could well use the excuse "I've been following you since you left the back entrance of your friends house" etc as there would probably be a chance he did actually follow her. Especially with time on his hands. (I really feel for the bus drivers that captured the car footage as they are probably now thinking that they could have stopped the event).

3. If he finished the shift at 7am on the 3rd, this would give him a chance to leave for home, then return to London for 7pm by lying to EC and pretending that he was actually going to work and hiding from her that he had annual leave. This might also explain why she might unknowingly support him as a false alibi saying that he was in work when he wasn't, thus leading to her arrest. He could then easily travel to collect his hire car and head over to London. I did also consider the possibility of human trafficking/Dover connection. I just don't want to think to what extent his crimes could be. I used to work with the local authority rehoming ex-offenders. Some of very, very serious crimes, which I try to stop myself from thinking of when I watch things happening on the news.

4. Maybe his request not to use firearms any more might link to a use of a firearm against Sarah. Maybe an element of guilt came into it (who knows).

Random musings from me. I don't want to consider the events around her death. But I've walked alone on streets many, many times and felt uneasy and I've been trying to consider why I might get into a car, even if I felt uneasy. But I think we do need to remember that WCs actions are not going to follow rule books. We'll never understand why he would do what he is alleged to have done and we'll never be able to piece it together ourselves because our minds won't go there. It's possible that this is the peak of a history of offences and now he's hit his peak he knows he won't get that "rush" or whatever again, and now his mental health is in rapid decline. Maybe there is guilt within that which would exacerbate the decline. We just can't ever understand his reasoning. Thankfully.

RIP beautiful Sarah xxxx

Hello .

1. The photo is an old one I think from previous employment before the Met.
2. I think the camera footage is only about 3 minutes between each shot so he got her into the car fairly quickly and it's been suggested from court reports that she was forced.
3. Good point! If he finished at 7am but his wife wasn't expecting him till evening, he had all day to get to Dover, hire a car and get back to London.
4. Personally I don't think there was any guilt. Fear of being caught more like and a reason to not go back to work.

All supposition and JMO.

 

[Skigh]

I think this makes sense. I was also wondering, while the thread was closed, if maybe WC was setting the stage to leave the country or otherwise disappear himself. Making it seem like he would be extending his leave due to stress, but actually fleeing to somewhere unknown in an effort to hide because he assumed they were on to him, or would soon be on to him. All speculation.

Due to Covid it is not easy to flee the country at the moment.

 

[Nancywho]

I agree. What were the police even doing there. There would have been no trouble if they had just left it alone. This is not ordinary everyday stuff. Totally tone deaf of them. They had to know that people (and not only women) had reason to resent them and then they come in and start being heavy handed.

Exactly - no one was there to cause trouble, people were there to share collective grief and show solidarity for SE. IMO the police aggravated the situation with no need to do so, and especially given the context of it all I'm horrified to see the images of them using force.

 

[ShayshayH]

Penalties for assisting offenders.

(1)Where a person has committed [F1a relevant offence], any other person who, knowing or believing him to be guilty of the offence or of some [F2other relevant offence], does without lawful authority or reasonable excuse any act with intent to impede his apprehension or prosecution shall be guilty of an offence.

Criminal Law Act 1967

EC must have known/been reasonable to have known that WC had offended. Thinking he was at work and covering for him that way would not be an offence on her part

 

[Seni]

Does anyone know why the police would opt to have the body identified by dental records and not by a family member? Sorry if that sounds crass but would a reason be that the body is in too distressing a sight to see (I don’t want to give example but hopefully you know what I’m getting at) vs totally unrecognisable due to decomposition or burning?

Awful question Urbanfoxi. Can we ask Angleterre?

 

[Stella123]

Hey, I think you might mean my post - here it is again just because you said you'd looked for it.

Rest in peace Sarah, you deserved to live.

"Hello, first time poster!

Two points:

1. The police rearrested WC for murder BEFORE they found Sarah's body, didn't they? I wonder if this is because the cadaver search dogs had reacted to something seized, such as the cars, or whether they had extracted any compelling information from the wife. Or perhaps this was a necessary procedural step to start asking a different set of questions.

2. WC's message to his supervisor about stress on 5 March is the same day that news about Sarah's disappearance first came into the public domain via social media and the Missing People site. Seeing this, it may have been the first time the accused had to confront the reality of the alleged crimes in the cold light of day. Many offenders operate normally most of the time and keep a curtain over their darker compulsions, even to themselves. This was potentially a sudden pulling back of the curtain and realisation the alleged crimes had not gone undetected for ages like sometimes happens in other cases.

Similarly, the email on 6 March regarding no longer wishing to handle weapons coincides with the day of the first public appeal from the Metropolitan Police. So perhaps that caused stress, reflection and panic and either genuine concern about his capacities once reality started to flood in, or it was part of a cynical ploy to lay down deteriorating mental health as a defence as others have theorised."

Yes that's it

 

[kittythehare]

I feel that Occams Razor could come into play with regard to the actual “ kidnap “ of SE.
I feel that he may have driven past her and he noticed her that way. He simply pulled up and waited for her to pass then got out and came behind her with a knife. All he would have to do is show her the blade and tell her to make no sound and get in the car. I absolutely know if I saw a knife I would comply. It would be all over in seconds. It appears he then headed out of London. I can’t begin to imagine thereafter.
MOO

He could well have stopped to tell her there was an armed suspect on the street or a dangerous person or some excuse like that and advised her to sit in..

 

[LolaPasha]

@Stella123 thankyou for the info! I didn't know the court said that she was forced. It's just awful to think that if she was clearly forced, that this was missed by the people in the transport that passed them

 

[Whitehall 1212]

snipped by me

As far as I’m aware the breathalyser photo is totally unrelated to his arrest. I don’t see how they would take that picture at that time, and according to LL WC was in fact topless when arrested.

Also - I could be totally wrong but I can’t imagine someone being arrested for providing an alibi which they didn’t know was false? I’m not sure of the definition of “assisting an offender” but I could imagine there would be a required element of mens rea. Open to correction of course and all above MOO

Assisting an Offender - Criminal Law Act 1967

Where a person has committed an arrestable offence, any other person who, knowing or believing him to be guilty of the offence or of some other arrestable offence, does without lawful authority or reasonable excuse any act with intent to impede his apprehension or prosecution shall be guilty of an offence.

There are many acts that may amount to assisting an offender.

An alibi, if suspected to be false, could result in an arrest on suspicion of assisting an offender, but I repeat, so could many other actions.

 

[Skigh]

Hey, I think you might mean my post - here it is again just because you said you'd looked for it.

Rest in peace Sarah, you deserved to live.

"Hello, first time poster!

Two points:

1. The police rearrested WC for murder BEFORE they found Sarah's body, didn't they? I wonder if this is because the cadaver search dogs had reacted to something seized, such as the cars, or whether they had extracted any compelling information from the wife. Or perhaps this was a necessary procedural step to start asking a different set of questions.

2. WC's message to his supervisor about stress on 5 March is the same day that news about Sarah's disappearance first came into the public domain via social media and the Missing People site. Seeing this, it may have been the first time the accused had to confront the reality of the alleged crimes in the cold light of day. Many offenders operate normally most of the time and keep a curtain over their darker compulsions, even to themselves. This was potentially a sudden pulling back of the curtain and realisation the alleged crimes had not gone undetected for ages like sometimes happens in other cases.

Similarly, the email on 6 March regarding no longer wishing to handle weapons coincides with the day of the first public appeal from the Metropolitan Police. So perhaps that caused stress, reflection and panic and either genuine concern about his capacities once reality started to flood in, or it was part of a cynical ploy to lay down deteriorating mental health as a defence as others have theorised."

The not handling the guns request could be because he then hoped he would get a desk job in the Met so he then could hear feedback about the investigation or become part of it himself.
Or he visited a doctor for stess/anxiety and they told him he should not be handling guns due to his current illness and either he should inform them or the medical practice would.

What ever it was he had a motive for doing so.

 

[kittythehare]

I don't think anyone has an agenda, women are angry that we're clearly not safe and that the vast majority of that danger comes from men, and such a lot of sexual harassment is completely ignored by society and the police. I think the vigil for Sarah was a really beautiful idea, and I feel as well as honouring Sarah, it also represented women coming together with this outpouring of emotion her murder has brought to light. She was killed because violence towards women is a horrible issue, and that issue affects all of us - I don't think the two things can really be separated.

I'm not sure why anyone would think it's a political agenda to be angry that a police officer has brutally murdered someone, and to be angry that so many men hurt and harass women. Labelling that as political feels to me like yet another way of minimising the issue and invalidating women's experiences.

It's sad it did get heated, but I think that speaks to how much collective grief and fear and outrage people are feeling, for Sarah and for the very reason why she died.

Women are angry. Everybody is angry.
But a vigil for Sarah should , at the very least have taken Sarah, the victim and her wishes into consideration.
This is not what Sarah would have wanted

Anything less is a desecration.
Collective gatherings during covid with so many variants and so many victims disrespects all and sundry.

How do you imagine her family feels? Comforted? Reassured? After the scenes, the scenes that arise during almost every protest during covid times...

 

[Stella123]

Exactly - no one was there to cause trouble, people were there to share collective grief and show solidarity for SE. IMO the police aggravated the situation with no need to do so, and especially given the context of it all I'm horrified to see the images of them using force.

Except it had been cancelled after a court case so was not legal. Under Covid legislation which the Police have to uphold. The original organisers cancelled the event as a result and suggested people lighting a candle at home instead. It was awful seeing demonstrators having to be removed and it is what happens when Police have to deal with large crowds when they feel it is unsafe and it's not legal. There would not have needed to be a Police presence in that way if we were not in the middle of a pandemic. I think it's a difficult emotive situation but neither was it pleasant for Police who have not murdered anyone, to have abuse hurled at them.

There are still people dying of Covid as well which is why crowds are illegal at present. The Police were doing their job to protect life!

"
Organisers of a vigil planned for Sarah Everard in south London are still hopeful it can take place, despite effectively losing a High Court challenge against a ban on the event.

But the Metropolitan Police urged people to find a "lawful and safer way" to express views on women's safety."

Sarah Everard vigil organisers lose court challenge

 

[LolaPasha]

The police have cctv evidence ,so will know what he was wearing.

Yes the buscams will answer this.

 

[Seni]

I can´t remember which poster asked if WC had a beard at the the time of the alleged crime? He did according to early DM article which specified he had the the beard. Off to look.

ETA: Found it

'He couldn't do anything like this': Mother-in-law of Sarah Everard murder suspect speaks out | Daily Mail Online