UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #7

[Warwicks]

That route through Clapham makes perfect sense whether he was coming from Westminster or Battersea. The A3 from Westminster goes along that side of the Common and the A205 (a left turn off the side of the Common) will drop you round onto the A20 or A2 (main routes into Kent, the 20 to Ashford or the 2 to the Thanet (Deal) side. Sometimes preferable to using the A20 or A2 direct from town as you avoid the City/OldKentRd etc.
And if there was a chance that he might stop for a coffee with colleagues/mates on the Common then it makes perfect sense that he is in the area.

 

[Tanzanite]

Gibbo214 said: ↑
Errm. He has been arrested for murder. Isn't that extreme violence?
It sounded like it was prior to this.
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*Where are you getting "potential or capacity for extreme violence and violent behaviour " from? Just curious*

Sorry - I'm unsure how to do the 'proper' quoting.

It might be a bit clearer if I quote the full clause within that sentence, which is, "I have no clue, obviously, but WC apparently had potential or capacity for extreme violence and violent behaviour,"

And I'm basing it on the information that is contained within these threads and the fact that WC has been arrested for murder. I'm not sure that murder can ever not be an act of violence.

I'm not sure where your curiosity arises from - I don't think I suggested anything particularly earth-shattering, but I hope this clears things up.




Oh smart one* , I meant previous to all this.

Again, I haven't managed to successfully figure out the respond/reply function.

I didn't mean previously to this. I was referring to this set of events.

"Oh smart one?" Am I missing something here? I'm a new poster, and this feels a little uncomfortable. I joined a couple of months ago, I'm trying to contribute in a helpful way and my posts are fairly benign ones. I'm fairly sure I haven't said anything controversial.

Anyway, again, hope that's all clearer now.

 

[LeopardLeotard]

I couldn't find the post I wanted to reply to and realised I was on the next thread, sorry. Just wanted to say WC and EC paid £200,000 for their home in 2016. Not £60,000 in 2001 as you mentioned (Source: Rightmove)

I stand corrected, many thanks x

 

[slootherina94]

Thinking about motives.... and to be a little provocative....

I read lots of articles saying about women being harassed.
However, there's some irony that on sites such as Daily Mail, these articles are alongside countless pictures of 'influencers' in bikinis

Now, I am NOT suggesting that women shouldnt be free to do what they want, or that one justifies the other.
I just do wonder though if the unavoidable endless Kardashian bikini shots in the media etc create a message of 'ogle us'....
... and that for an unstable mind, this can encourage harassment. Make it feel ok...?

Ie. If we want to try and clean up harassment from the streets, would more consistent messaging ONLINE help with that?

Please dont twist this into any suggestion that women ask for harassment

(Somewhat off topic, please delete if needed. I'm just trying to think how sad events like this could be reduced in frequency)

It’s too complex for me to quite understand how it all pieces together, but absolutely I think it’s all part of the same culture that allows horrific things like this to happen to women. I’m not talking about the women themselves posing in bikinis or whatever - more so the leery way in which outlets like the DM report on, comment on, pick apart womens’ bodies. This doesn’t happen to men to anywhere near the same extent.

EDIT - Looking at some replies that follow, it seems I may have interpreted the original comment in a very different way, and maybe a little too generously. I want to be clear that I’m talking about tabloid press and sources like the DM that contribute to a culture of violence against women. I would like to distance myself entirely from any suggestion made in the original post that women are somehow “encouraging” their own violence and harassment in any way.

 

[hed_ts]

Thinking about motives.... and to be a little provocative....

I read lots of articles saying about women being harassed.
However, there's some irony that on sites such as Daily Mail, these articles are alongside countless pictures of 'influencers' in bikinis

Now, I am NOT suggesting that women shouldnt be free to do what they want, or that one justifies the other.
I just do wonder though if the unavoidable endless Kardashian bikini shots in the media etc create a message of 'ogle us'....
... and that for an unstable mind, this can encourage harassment. Make it feel ok...?

Ie. If we want to try and clean up harassment from the streets, would more consistent messaging ONLINE help with that?

Please dont twist this into any suggestion that women ask for harassment

(Somewhat off topic, please delete if needed. I'm just trying to think how sad events like this could be reduced in frequency)

With respect, I think this is quite disrespectful. I think it's a bit obtuse to compare Daily Mail articles regarding Instagram influencers with an individual who clearly has a disposition to commit these crimes regardless

 

[T2000]

"She was not breaking any laws by being outside. Therefore wouldn’t accept arrest"

If she was drinking in a friend's garden and so had flouted rules, she may have been more likely to follow what seemed to be a police request.

Picture this
"Evenin' love, I'm a police officer doing spot checks (shows badge)"
"Can I ask what you are doing out at this time?"

-- "just walking back from a friend's house"

"Ok, do you realise that is against rules? Please head to my car and I will jot some details"

-- "ok"

Sadly, I feel it is much easier to get tricked than you would imagine (because I have experienced comparatively mild tricks like that)

 

[High Alpine]

A bit of psychology but...

I read that they (The Sun?) had questioned his step mother...

I wonder what has happened to his real mother. Could her abandoning him result in a deep seated hatred of women for example? Or an ability to see them as objects.

Just thoughts...

I agree that the Ukrainian thing is suspect. In regard to my previous post on page 6 of the previous thread and maybe there being a digital footprint of him somewhere in the likes of PUA forums of a poor attitude towards women and a scaling series of deviant acts. I think this following quote says a lot about having a slightly strange relationships with women. How often do people marry people with a poor grasp of the language they speak? Also, we know what weirdos on PUA web forums think of Ukraine and Former Soviet Union and it's women generally. They view them as 'easy prey' for want of a better term. Many visit these places regularly looking for women.

His landlady Shannette Roy, 74, said: 'He had only just qualified as a policeman and was working in Dover. He was a nice fellow. The only thing I found strange was when he said he was going over to Ukraine to get his wife and he brought her back. She didn't speak very good English."

Source: Daily Mail: Sarah Everard: 'Murder suspect' Met officer found via CCTV from bus camera | Daily Mail Online

EDIT:Additional quote from same source:

"after meeting her daughter, 39, online in 2006"

 

[InvSmith]

I'm same age/background/location as Sarah, I honestly do not believe she'd have got into an unmarked car with one solo plain clothes officer even with a badge. This is a route I have walked many times myself, by that point she is more than halfway home an offer of a lift wouldn't even be that worthwhile.

Just guessing but anyone that commits a kidnapping is probably extremely good at manipulation. This type of predator, especially with law enforcement training and experience, could have used many techniques to get her in the car. Very scary in the middle of the night when encountering one of these, I am sure. Sorry, you all are having to experience this. Those of us in the U.S. are praying for Sarah and her family, friends, and citizens.

 

[Gibbo214]

Claire Barnett, executive director of UN Women UK, said: “This is a human rights crisis. It’s just not enough for us to keep saying ‘this is too difficult a problem for us to solve’ — it needs addressing now.”

It seems that almost every young woman in the UK has experienced sexual harassment. This figure is completely unsurprising to women who have grown up in the UK. It is common for friends to share traumatic experiences over WhatsApp, to call one another while walking home and to be hesitant in rejecting men who could turn out to be irrationally angry. For women, street harassment is a sobering part of navigating their daily lives.

To be visible at all, is to be targeted.

There seems to be no choice that can avert this kind of horrific experience. Sarah Everard was wearing bright clothes, walking on well-lit residential roads, and in communication with her partner.

A YouGov survey carried out by UN Women UK found that only 4% of women report incidents of sexual harassment, while an overwhelming 96% remain dubious about the UK authorities’ capacity to handle an incident like this. Around 45% of the women who would not report sexual harassment in the UK say that it is because nothing would really change.
Research finds that 97% of women in the UK have been sexually harassed

Safe Spaces Now - UN Women UK

Sexual harassment claims by "conventionally attractive" women are more believed

Schoolgirls demand street harassment awareness to be taught in schools

This was on Facebook and honesty, you would not believe some of the comments made by men. Outright threats to female posters and others thinking it was a big joke and yet others who claimed that women harassed men more than men harassed women,

 

[InvSmith]

Source: Daily Mail: Sarah Everard: 'Murder suspect' Met officer found via CCTV from bus camera | Daily Mail Online[/QUOTE]

Well, thank goodness for the bus camera!!!

 

[natasharxx]

That route through Clapham makes perfect sense whether he was coming from Westminster or Battersea. The A3 from Westminster goes along that side of the Common and the A205 (a left turn off the side of the Common) will drop you round onto the A20 or A2 (main routes into Kent, the 20 to Ashford or the 2 to the Thanet (Deal) side. Sometimes preferable to using the A20 or A2 direct from town as you avoid the City/OldKentRd etc.
And if there was a chance that he might stop for a coffee with colleagues/mates on the Common then it makes perfect sense that he is in the area.

just to mention, most of us in deal would not go the Thanet way home. It’s too out of the way for us. We would definitely go the Ashford/Dover route

 

[waxwellwax]

"She was not breaking any laws by being outside. Therefore wouldn’t accept arrest"

If she was drinking in a friend's garden and so had flouted rules, she may have been more likely to follow what seemed to be a police request.

Picture this
"Evenin' love, I'm a police officer doing spot checks (shows badge)"
"Can I ask what you are doing out at this time?"

-- "just walking back from a friend's house"

"Ok, do you realise that is against rules? Please head to my car and I will jot some details"

-- "ok"

Sadly, I feel it is much easier to get tricked than you would imagine (because I have experienced comparatively mild tricks like that)

This simply isnt a possibility - If you live in Clapham / Brixton you know this isnt something that happens, ever, unless you are POC and they are doing stop and search.

 

[valy]

Does anyone know how long will be before having identified the human remains they found yesterday? It would be really sad realizing that more then one person is there...

 

[Herat]

Done some further looking into my previous post. Could these cars be the same ? (Both left hand side of photos) Both black with what looks like rails on roof. Both in correct lanes for taking the proposed route out of London to Ashford. Timeline checks out as ~ 20 min journey between points.


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In multiple posts here people keep focusing on a small dark car with oval headlights set on an angle.

That seems to be the vehicle in A. It might be on B, but it's farther from the camera

 

[Kalli]

A local poster on here said that people dump dead sheep there (uggggh) Could that be adding to the confusion re the remains? Also possibly why they need so many people there for so long to check through everything they find?

I believe the owners of the land stated (as per a previous post in one of the threads) that the area had been used for burying dead sheep in the past, not dumping them. Seeing as the land owners have been consulted by the press I'd assume LE are aware of the general area where that was, and have adjusted accordingly. Just IMO, obviously!

 

[zipperton]

If his duties included looking after diplomats I imagine he would be very well trained at bundling people into cars incredibly quickly in case of attack. Just thinking out loud.

 

[lensamps]

"She was not breaking any laws by being outside. Therefore wouldn’t accept arrest"

If she was drinking in a friend's garden and so had flouted rules, she may have been more likely to follow what seemed to be a police request.

Picture this
"Evenin' love, I'm a police officer doing spot checks (shows badge)"
"Can I ask what you are doing out at this time?"

-- "just walking back from a friend's house"

"Ok, do you realise that is against rules? Please head to my car and I will jot some details"

-- "ok"

Sadly, I feel it is much easier to get tricked than you would imagine (because I have experienced comparatively mild tricks like that)

I just don't buy it. We're not in stage one of the pandemic where it would have been really unusual to see someone walking on the streets. There are many legitimate reasons someone would be walking - from a job, to the shops, collecting medicine for someone, and of course visiting a support bubble. Sarah would have known to say visiting a support bubble. End of conversation.

 

[Columboshound]

This simply isnt a possibility - If you live in Clapham / Brixton you know this isnt something that happens, ever, unless you are POC and they are doing stop and search.

exactly and an undercover police officer would surely be looking for more serious crimes than a woman who May or may not be breaking lockdown rules

 

[suzyjackson]

good grief his mother in law who doesnt even live in the country says "he could not do anything like this hes a wonderful man" .... how well does she really know him?

I would pay zero attention to that at all, those who followed the Libby Squire case will remember PR's mother making very similar comments about him.

 

[Stella123]

The Garage was passed back to the council when it closed in 2015. History of WC employment. Looks like it became a derelict site/disused land.

End of road as garage doors close for last time