UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018 #2 *B. Lacomba guilty*

[GimmeAclueBlue]

What about a wheelie bin?

Jesus .....didnt think of that but a tad loud one may think.

And backing it up to your car would look raving!

 

[Alyce]

BL remained silent through more than nine hours of questioning after he was arrested on suspicion of murdering his former partner.
Junior prosecution counsel Alistair Richardson told Woolwich Crown Court how Lacomba was arrested a week after Sarah went missing and interviewed eight times, for a total of five hours and 49 minutes, by DC Tateson and DC Mitton.
Lacomba was then released on October 19 at 11.50am, but rearrested at 6.45am on December 20 at his home in Bazes Shaw, New Ash Green.

DC Tateson and DC Mitton conducted a further three interviews over a period of three hours and 20 minutes and as before, Lacomba remained silent in response to every question.

“He was charged with the murder of Sarah Wellgreen at 7.40pm on the same day,” said Mr Richardson.

“He made no reply to charge.”

Accused's phones still missing

 

[Kaykedi]

Not a personal dig at you at all, sorry if it came across that way ... you're not the first person to say the exact dance thing in this trial.

I personally think he's guilty, I think the evidence IS enough and the jury will hopefully think the same and this time next week he'll be done for.

Oh thanks for that. I really appreciate it. I think he's guilty too, but trying to be really careful, frightened of getting put on timeout!

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Jesus .....didnt think of that but a tad loud one may think.

And backing it up to your car would look raving!

So, Ben, you say youve been asleep in bed all night. Why dont you Tell us where youve wheelie bin

 

[GimmeAclueBlue]

So, Ben, you say youve been asleep in bed all night. Why dont you Tell us where youve wheelie bin

God will smite me for laughing so hard at that

 

[Legally Bland]

Wrong thread again.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

BL remained silent through more than nine hours of questioning after he was arrested on suspicion of murdering his former partner.
Junior prosecution counsel Alistair Richardson told Woolwich Crown Court how Lacomba was arrested a week after Sarah went missing and interviewed eight times, for a total of five hours and 49 minutes, by DC Tateson and DC Mitton.
Lacomba was then released on October 19 at 11.50am, but rearrested at 6.45am on December 20 at his home in Bazes Shaw, New Ash Green.

DC Tateson and DC Mitton conducted a further three interviews over a period of three hours and 20 minutes and as before, Lacomba remained silent in response to every question.

“He was charged with the murder of Sarah Wellgreen at 7.40pm on the same day,” said Mr Richardson.

“He made no reply to charge.”

Accused's phones still missing

Thanks Alyce.

This interesting, also from the article you linked:

It was also noted that no evidence relating to Sarah Wellgreen - e.g. hairs or blood - was found in Ben Lacomba’s car.


First time Ive seen this stated as fact?

 

[Kaykedi]

BL had a telephone conversation with solicitor Julia Brand, on October 16 last year.
Ms Brand, who had represented Lacomba previously in a custody battle over his children, provided a statement about the conversation.

On the morning of October 16, 2018, I had telephone contact with Ben Lacomba, who informed me that Sarah was missing,” she said.
The purpose of his call was for me to represent his mother to ensure the children lived with her in the event he was arrested.”

She said she recalled asking Lacomba what he was doing about securing an urgent order from court in relation to the custody of the children, in the event that Sarah should return seeking custody of the children, and she said Lacomba had “expressed shock” that he would need such an order.


Solicitor joked ex-partner would be 'top suspect'

Lacomba said Sarah had gone missing in the middle of the night. How would he know, he was asleep all night!

 

[deugirtni]

As I was searching through the posts on KentLive looking for info re the iphone.. I happened to notice a couple of other discrepancies he apparently stated as well.. will have to go and find them again.

 

[RosalindaA]

I always feel sick when the verdict is in sight, and I am not even personally involved so how people feel who are close to a case/victim/defendant must be truly awful. Especially the children of course. I am confident though that Alison Morgan will deliver a powerful closing statement.
It would be helpful to have some physical evidence but it is over-valued against circumstantial evidence which can be just if not more powerful (the "CSI effect" on juries).
It is this perennial problem of evidence being lost to the case in those early hours of an investigation where police aren't sure whether they are dealing with a suspicious disappearance or not. The wet bed linen in this case is a prime example of this. Trust me on this I have dealt with a lot of wet beds in my time and a fair few recently deceased people. Fresh urine from a healthy hydrated person would not necessarily have an odour or colour. I was also reminded of Prisoner Watts recent statement about Shannan that he knew she was deceased when "she relieved herself" (one of the few true statements from him IMO). And as we have said, rapid and powerful asphyxiation/strangulation is going to be really one of the few options when you are trying to be as quiet as possible and avoid blood. Urine may also be released when a body is being moved a little while after death so it could end up in anywhere.
Had the bed linen been preserved of course it would have validated the child's report of which night they had been up and seen this. I believe the child on the date anyway, the events of that time I think are likely to be totally indelible for them.
I was struck by why Lacomba specifically mentioned that his mother and Sarah used that same room "with different bed linen". Well, obviously, why say it? Yet another justification. Is this to explain why the bed linen had been changed by the time police got there as no doubt ML would be staying to help out whilst Sarah had run off with someone from Tinder and abandoned her children...not Is a quick bed change what ML popped back to do that morning?

 

[deugirtni]

12:22
KEY EVENT
Lacomba's first statment to police

His first statement to police read:

“She was happy and there was nothing out of the ordinary. I put the children to bed. I remember Sarah went to her room around this time but I’m not sure whether she went to sleep or was up on her laptop. This was the last time I saw her. I went straight to bed.
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17:00
KEY EVENT
Lacomba describes 'the last time he saw Sarah'

After returning home, Lacomba says Sarah went into her bedroom. Lacomba explains that he then went in to speak to her. He says:

I went to Sarah’s bedroom and knocked on the door. Sarah was on the phone. She was under the covers with her laptop on top.

“She had a pink dressing gown on.”

Sarah then came out of the bedroom, according to Lacomba, who says he didn’t see her after that. He continues:

That’s the last time I saw Sarah as I assume she went back into her bedroom.”

 

[deugirtni]

I always feel sick when the verdict is in sight, and I am not even personally involved so how people feel who are close to a case/victim/defendant must be truly awful. Especially the children of course. I am confident though that Alison Morgan will deliver a powerful closing statement.
It would be helpful to have some physical evidence but it is over-valued against circumstantial evidence which can be just if not more powerful (the "CSI effect" on juries).
It is this perennial problem of evidence being lost to the case in those early hours of an investigation where police aren't sure whether they are dealing with a suspicious disappearance or not. The wet bed linen in this case is a prime example of this. Trust me on this I have dealt with a lot of wet beds in my time and a fair few recently deceased people. Fresh urine from a healthy hydrated person would not necessarily have an odour or colour. I was also reminded of Prisoner Watts recent statement about Shannan that he knew she was deceased when "she relieved herself" (one of the few true statements from him IMO). And as we have said, rapid and powerful asphyxiation/strangulation is going to be really one of the few options when you are trying to be as quiet as possible and avoid blood. Urine may also be released when a body is being moved a little while after death so it could end up in anywhere.
Had the bed linen been preserved of course it would have validated the child's report of which night they had been up and seen this. I believe the child on the date anyway, the events of that time I think are likely to be totally indelible for them.
I was struck by why Lacomba specifically mentioned that his mother and Sarah used that same room "with different bed linen". Well, obviously, why say it? Yet another justification. Is this to explain why the bed linen had been changed by the time police got there as no doubt ML would be staying to help out whilst Sarah had run off with someone from Tinder and abandoned her children...not Is a quick bed change what ML popped back to do that morning?

Agree. There is no way that kid is going to mix up that night, when it was the same night on which she never came back again and things were chaos the next morning. And the urine, I tried to find scientific journals or something, about this.. hard to find.. but what I'm gathering is that this especially happens when it is a 'sudden' murder.. ie as opposed to a slow illness or something.
I think the cops really screwed up and now the prosecutor is left with nothing. They should've taken that mattress, that bedding, those phones, everything. Why didn't they?? Why no warrant after 4 days for the phones?? Did they confiscate any laptops/computers? Obviously S had one.
It does scare me that not a trace of S was found in BL's vehicle. There is *always* a trace of something!
Did they confiscate BL's 'brown shoes' when he suddenly found them after 6 days? There was a possibility that something could've been found in the seams, etc.? If not, why not??
I would've liked to have seen LE also confiscate the suitcase in S's trunk. Only because he seemed to NOT want them to, saying it was 'his'. Who knows if upon further inspection, the iphone may have been found, or... the pyjama top that was later 'wet' in the shed?
Why is the testimony not 100% clear on where those texts from the 3 boyfriends were seen, ie which phone? Nowhere does it say they were only available for viewing on the missing iphone. It doesn't even say whether police confiscated S's two Samsung phones??
Why did we hear *nothing* re the mother's testimony. I don't believe 'the occupant' who 'could not be named for legal reasons' was BL's mother. There would be no reason to have suppressed her name or identity. If her testimony was suppressed, why would it have been suppressed? And if it was suppressed, why did the media not say so, and explain the reasoning? It is supposed to be a transparent court system, isn't it?
This stuff just makes me

 

[Noseyjosie]

That Vauxhall is an estate, easy enough to get a wheelie bin in - could he have transported Sarah's body to the burial site in a wheelie bin? Seats down, blanket or sheet for protection, then in with the bin........no DNA in the vehicle
Just an idea

 

[Mrs Marple]

The only thing is, if the bins were being emptied the next morning, he would have had to empty all the rubbish then pit it back again. Not disagreeing though it could explain the lack of evidence. Was it a general waste collection or recycling, as most people have alternate weekly collections there days?

 

[Alyce]

I know I looked at this before, but just taking another look, they do have alternate weeks, like most of us.
But it seems the only wheelie they have is the green bin. So if it was general household that week, then the green wheelie could have been used.

ETA ... have now counted backwards and I calculate that October 10, 2018 was general rubbish collection. So unless ML had been working overtime on the garden with the spades then it is very possible he had a completely empty green wheelie bin.



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[GimmeAclueBlue]

Agree. There is no way that kid is going to mix up that night, when it was the same night on which she never came back again and things were chaos the next morning. And the urine, I tried to find scientific journals or something, about this.. hard to find.. but what I'm gathering is that this especially happens when it is a 'sudden' murder.. ie as opposed to a slow illness or something.
I think the cops really screwed up and now the prosecutor is left with nothing. They should've taken that mattress, that bedding, those phones, everything. Why didn't they?? Why no warrant after 4 days for the phones?? Did they confiscate any laptops/computers? Obviously S had one.
It does scare me that not a trace of S was found in BL's vehicle. There is *always* a trace of something!
Did they confiscate BL's 'brown shoes' when he suddenly found them after 6 days? There was a possibility that something could've been found in the seams, etc.? If not, why not??
I would've liked to have seen LE also confiscate the suitcase in S's trunk. Only because he seemed to NOT want them to, saying it was 'his'. Who knows if upon further inspection, the iphone may have been found, or... the pyjama top that was later 'wet' in the shed?
Why is the testimony not 100% clear on where those texts from the 3 boyfriends were seen, ie which phone? Nowhere does it say they were only available for viewing on the missing iphone. It doesn't even say whether police confiscated S's two Samsung phones??
Why did we hear *nothing* re the mother's testimony. I don't believe 'the occupant' who 'could not be named for legal reasons' was BL's mother. There would be no reason to have suppressed her name or identity. If her testimony was suppressed, why would it have been suppressed? And if it was suppressed, why did the media not say so, and explain the reasoning? It is supposed to be a transparent court system, isn't it?
This stuff just makes me

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[Pravda]

Thinking "outside" the box.... if you check out his photos on his Nerf website it seems he had some mighty large wheeled storage boxes.

 

[Pravda]

Are we allowed to post a link to the page?

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Are we allowed to post a link to the page?

Yes.

 

[Pravda]

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