UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018 #2 *B. Lacomba guilty*

[wookielover185]

People locally, well those I know, think he will be found not guilty. But most think he is guilty. Everyone just feels for the kids. No one thinks she walked out or just left, by all accounts she was a dedicated mum.

 

[Alyce]

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[Spy Versus Spy]

Menfolk of Websleuth (for I myself am a laydeeee) - a question ...

IF you were woken by a noise of any kind outside in the middle of the night and you went to investigate -

What would you be wearing to do so and would you take you're keys or leave the door open or on the latch (closed but not locked)

Pop on some shorts and tshirt and leave door on latch/unlocked

 

[hitthenick]

Menfolk of Websleuth (for I myself am a laydeeee) - a question ...

IF you were woken by a noise of any kind outside in the middle of the night and you went to investigate -

What would you be wearing to do so and would you take you're keys or leave the door open or on the latch (closed but not locked)

Wearing shorts and T-shirt, armed with a cricket bat and my 4 dogs, 2 Dobers and 2 rotties, I don’t need to lock the doors.

We get lots of animal noises around our property but we’re rural not urban so we’re pretty much used to it.

 

[mrazda71]

Haven't had many replies but no one yet has indicated that they'd be dressed in full normal day clothing and shoes to pop outside in the middle of the night to investigate animal noises .. so ... I'd LOVE to ask child witness - when Dad came back in that night - what was HE wearing - did he use a key to open the door.

 

[hitthenick]

Haven't had many replies but no one yet has indicated that they'd be dressed in full normal day clothing and shoes to pop outside in the middle of the night to investigate animal noises .. so ... I'd LOVE to ask child witness - when Dad came back in that night - what was HE wearing - did he use a key to open the door.

He must have locked the house, I can’t see him leaving 3 kids during the night in an unlocked house - assuming he did leave the house.

 

[Mrs Marple]

Haven't had many replies but no one yet has indicated that they'd be dressed in full normal day clothing and shoes to pop outside in the middle of the night to investigate animal noises .. so ... I'd LOVE to ask child witness - when Dad came back in that night - what was HE wearing - did he use a key to open the door.

BL said he was tucked up in bed that night. But if he was wearing clothes. l imagine he would say he hadn't gone to bed before that point. As a night worker , that is plausible.

 

[mrazda71]

BL said he was tucked up in bed that night. But if he was wearing clothes. l imagine he would say he hadn't gone to bed before that point. As a night worker , that is plausible.

But didn't he say that kid was mistaken and the night he wasn't in bed it was because he'd gone outside to investigate animal noises? Do would he get fully dressed to do that?

If he's saying that the night sarah disappeared - he was IN bed but kid says Dad came back in from taxi driving - Dad MUST have come back in fully dressed, no? Kid would know that Dad didn't taxi drive in his Jammies! Or dressing gown and who gets fully dressed to pop out into the garden in the early hours to investigate animal noises?

 

[GimmeAclueBlue]

He must have locked the house, I can’t see him leaving 3 kids during the night in an unlocked house - assuming he did leave the house.

Surely they would have also asked the child what did u watch? Did u see the start? Did u see the end? To see how long BL was outside playing steve Irwin. They could also possibly get what day it was then also ...u know....with the child being "confused" according to BL.
Also i mentioned b4 i hear all sorts around my way and i have never gone out. I will at most open my window to have a little investigate. If my other half would have to go out he would have a tshirt boxers and possibly sliders (flip flop sandal things for easy access) no way would he shut the door either i mean how far are u expecting to go

 

[mrazda71]

My brain is seriously stuck on this today ...

8th oct - early hours of the 9th oct Ben says he went outside to investigate animal noises - he came back in and saw kid kid then both went back to bed - is this correct?

9th oct - early hours of the 10th oct Kid says mum gone - bed wet - purse and phones still there - went downstairs to watch TV then Dad came back 'from taxi driving' ...

Kid hasn't said he woke up and did the same 2 nights in a row - kid would know if he did and he'd say so.

IF we believe Ben then we have to believe that he went out to animal noises in full clothing otherwise kid would never say or believe if told, that Dad was taxi driving in PJ'S

IF we believe Ben then THAT night Sarah WAS in bed? OR if she stayed out anywhere kid would see her at some point and say 'where were you when I woke up in night?, why was your bed wet? Why didn't you take your phone?'

Am I making sense?

 

[mrazda71]

Surely they would have also asked the child what did u watch? Did u see the start? Did u see the end? To see how long BL was outside playing steve Irwin. They could also possibly get what day it was then also ...u know....with the child being "confused" according to BL.
Also i mentioned b4 i hear all sorts around my way and i have never gone out. I will at most open my window to have a little investigate. If my other half would have to go out he would have a tshirt boxers and possibly sliders (flip flop sandal things for easy access) no way would he shut the door either i mean how far are u expecting to go

Yes! I'm hoping that all these questions have been asked and we just aren't party to the answers but the jury is!

 

[Kasmeer]

Slight counterpoint to the above comments - my other half sleeps in boxers only so certainly would put on jeans and a t-shirt if he were going outside, and as he usually leaves his slippers in the living room, his shoes are actually next to the door so would be more logical. Also, as our door automatically locks on closing, he would certainly take keys; we both always pick up our keys even if only going to the bin right outside, as we're paranoid about getting locked out!

With that said, neither one of us would actually go right outside to investigate animal noises; as animal-lovers we'd be curious, and look out of windows, definitely, but wouldn't see much point going right outside as it'd only scare off the animal anyway (we occasionally get foxes, who make a heck of a racket, and we'd love to see them, but they run at the slightest hint of a person). So I don't actually believe BL, just offering a diferent experience.

 

[hitthenick]

Surely they would have also asked the child what did u watch? Did u see the start? Did u see the end? To see how long BL was outside playing steve Irwin. They could also possibly get what day it was then also ...u know....with the child being "confused" according to BL.
Also i mentioned b4 i hear all sorts around my way and i have never gone out. I will at most open my window to have a little investigate. If my other half would have to go out he would have a tshirt boxers and possibly sliders (flip flop sandal things for easy access) no way would he shut the door either i mean how far are u expecting to go

There’s too much non clarity about if he did or didn’t leave the house and he also clouded the kids evidence by saying the kid got the nights mixed up. It’s impossible to work out.

Ben is adamant he was at home and there’s not much solid proof to prove he was out or he was home, I’m not convinced that cctv car is his either after finding out there’s loads of Zafiras very local to him, I’d also like to know, like the jury asked, is if the cops actually investigated the movements of each of those cars to rule them in or out, looks like they failed on that and therefore it can’t be relied upon that the CCTV Zafira is definitely Bens car in the middle of the night- again, likely it is his given the circumstances but it’s not definitely his.

I’m struggling taking on board all this stuff about what Ben might have worn, and also 50% of the prosecution evidence I would personally dismiss because some of it is just shockingly bad to be relied upon. They really are pushing the boundaries in a very poor case against Ben.

They’ve failed to do some very basic investigations, simple evidence I’d have expected to hear hasn’t surfaced.

 

[deugirtni]

Considering that IF the people on this WS thread are representative of the people on the jury, with most here believing BT should be convicted based on the evidence provided in KentLive, it will be interesting to see what the jury comes back with.

 

[Alyce]

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[Alyce]

Considering that IF the people on this WS thread are representative of the people on the jury, with most here believing BT should be convicted based on the evidence provided in KentLive, it will be interesting to see what the jury comes back with.

Like some others on this thread, I would have no problem returning a guilty verdict, based on what I have heard ( on here and elsewhere ). The Jury of course will have heard far more and hopefully can see a clear picture to enable them to reach a decision.
I just cannot see 10 jurors thinking he is not guilty. I can however see 3 jurors who are unable to reach a guilty verdict.

 

[hitthenick]

People locally, well those I know, think he will be found not guilty. But most think he is guilty. Everyone just feels for the kids. No one thinks she walked out or just left, by all accounts she was a dedicated mum.

Any clue as to why some of these locals feel he will be found not guilty? Have they not had faith in the prosecution case?

 

[deugirtni]

Like some others on this thread, I would have no problem returning a guilty verdict, based on what I have heard ( on here and elsewhere ). The Jury of course will have heard far more and hopefully can see a clear picture to enable them to reach a decision.
I just cannot see 10 jurors thinking he is not guilty. I can however see 3 jurors who are unable to reach a guilty verdict.

Yes, that is what I mean. Most people here believe him to be guilty even based on the scant information from KentLive, so if people here are representative of the jury members, it should be a guilty verdict for sure.

 

[mrazda71]

Any clue as to why some of these locals feel he will be found not guilty? Have they not had faith in the prosecution case?

Honestly? I think your average person on the street - who is not a Websleuth type, who doesn't obsess over murders and such, believe that the only time you are sure of a Guilty verdict is if you have a body, blood and fingerprints and a murder weapon and preferably CCTV or witnesses to the crime itself.

So many people commenting off Websleuth on the Joy Morgan case saying 'how can they charge him with murder if there's no body?' ... but they can and did and the jury took 11 hours to vote a unanimous guilty with far fewer things not adding up than in this case.

 

[hitthenick]

Honestly? I think your average person on the street - who is not a Websleuth type, who doesn't obsess over murders and such, believe that the only time you are sure of a Guilty verdict is if you have a body, blood and fingerprints and a murder weapon and preferably CCTV or witnesses to the crime itself.

So many people commenting off Websleuth on the Joy Morgan case saying 'how can they charge him with murder if there's no body?' ... but they can and did and the jury took 11 hours to vote a unanimous guilty with far fewer things not adding up than in this case.

I was directing my question to the local to answer for a reason!

I’m aware of average people, didn’t need you to educate me on that, specific question to a specific person.

PS- what’s a websleuth type? Armchair detective?