UK UK - Sarah Wellgreen, 46, Kent, 9 Oct 2018

[Alyce]

15:25
Attempts to get hold of Sarah

In a second statment taken on November 8, Lewis Burdett said: “I last saw my mum on the weekend of October 6.

“She seemed in good spirits and was happy to be having a job interview on Monday (October 8) for a good job which had more prospects, higher pay and a company car. She was very happy and looking forward to the future.

“I sent mum a text message on October 10 saying ‘can you transfer me that £30 for me?’. That was sent as a text message and not an iMessage so I didn’t know whether it had been read. I didn’t get a reply.

“Mum’s on/off boyfriend Neil James contacted me saying he hadn’t heard from mum and initially I thought she was ignoring him as Mum is normally good at replying unless she’s working or driving.

“Neil James said he last spoke to her on Tuesday night and since then she hadn’t been on her phone or Facebook, which is out of character.
I said I’d try to get in contact with her and if we hadn’t heard from her on Thursday we’d call the police.

“I tried ringing mum on her iPhone and it was going straight to voicemail indicating it was either switched off or the battery was flat.

“It was unusual for Mum not to have her phone charged as she had chargers in the car and in the house. I then rang the house. There was no reply from the house phone. I then rang Ben’s phone and there was no reply.

“On October 11, I tried to call Mum again on her phone but it went straight to voicemail. I then rang Ben and he said he was with the police.

“I’m currently using Mums old iPhone 7. I logged onto her gmail and saw she had not done anything on the account.

“Mum was in the process of trying to buy Ben out of the house at New Ash Green. Ben had agreed to sell the house. However he was unaware of who he would be selling it to.

“I think I did sign some documents in relation to the mortgage. I believe that the mortgage was progressing well and soon to be sorted.”

During the application for the mortgage, mum had access to my online banking. I can confirm since mum went missing there’s been no activation or money come out of my account.

“Mum was on a dating site called Plenty of Fish. I’m now using her old iPhone 7. I logged on and did not see any messages on the message part of the app.”

 

[Alyce]

Mum was in the process of trying to buy Ben out of the house at New Ash Green. Ben had agreed to sell the house. However he was unaware of who he would be selling it to.





How strange

 

[Legally Bland]

Mum was in the process of trying to buy Ben out of the house at New Ash Green. Ben had agreed to sell the house. However he was unaware of who he would be selling it to.





How strange

How would you go about that with all the anti-money laundering regs. etc.?

I can only think he hadn't yet seen a contract with their names on it.

 

[deugirtni]

When I went into Sarah’s room, I could see two phones on the bedside table. Because of this, I didn’t call as I thought she had left her phones here.
I work in Dartford and texted her when I got to work at around 11.32am.

So he definitely sent the text after he had seen her phones in her bedroom. Would really like to know how he thought she might receive that text. He has not said, I sent a text hoping she would pick up from her laptop/Ipad or similar.

Just catching up, but perhaps he could have thought she'd arrived home between him leaving for work, and 11:32am when he arrived at work?

 

[deugirtni]

I just had a google. The Company was founded in Stockport so that would explain the link.

So was he looking up this company to find where it was, and etc??

 

[Alyce]

15:46
Sarah's mum said ' I like to think she would have contacted her mum by now'
Ann Reed, Sarah’s mum and next of kin, said in a statement she last saw Sarah on October 5.

Sarah had been to work that day in Portsmouth. Sarah was in a good mood. She was also going to an interview in London for another job. She even borrowed a suit from me to wear and we even went to the pub together that evening. She was in a good mood despite an incident at work.” - Sarah’s mum

The last time they spoke was on October 8 to confirm she got the job and that they would speak later in the week and meet up on the weekend.

“The first time I realised anything was actually wrong was on October 10 when Neil rang me.

“I tried to get hold of her by ringing both numbers I had for her. I also texted her, sent her a Facebook message and WhatsApped her. I got no reply from her. The next day, I had still heard nothing from Sarah and thought it was unusual to not be able to get hold of her.

“The relationship between Ben and Sarah had been up and down depending on how the various court cases were going.

“I can think of no reason as to why Sarah would just get up and leave her children and the house at Bazes Shaw and I have absolutely no idea as to where she has gone or who she would have gone to stay with after leaving.

“It’s now five days since she’s gone missing and I like to think she would have contacted her mum by now or one of her friends.”

In a later statment, Ms Reed said said she had spoken to Sarah about an argument she’d had with Ben

I spoke to Sarah again on the Monday to see how her interview went and she said it went well and told me all about her job and the car that came with it.

“I was also aware of an argument she had with Ben a couple of days before she went missing but I can’t remember what this was about.”

Live updates as Sarah Wellgreen's ex-partner goes on trial accused of her murder

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I think he's guilty as charged.
But -
they don't have a body
the dogs did not find anything in the house
we don't yet know if anything was found in BLs car, but it was a while before the police took it in for checks, so maybe nothing there either.

His story, so far, is very implausible to me. But, at the same time, he and SW were not in a relationship and it was clear that she did not like him, so BL having a certain level of disinterest in SWs whereabouts could be considered normal under the cirucmstances.

I also find some of his reasoning believable. He's just so inconsistent. Maybe some truth/halftruths mixed in with the lies?

I cant wait for the explaination of why he had SW's iphone and showed it to Police, but then latterly 'it wasnt in the house' . Ok Ben, where is it?!

I think he's very much guilty on what weve heard already, but again Id like something really irrefutable from the Prosecution, otherwise is their reasonable doubt?

Note to self : Patience

 

[deugirtni]

I am curious about the physical altercation with the other employee at S's place of employment on the Saturday before her disappearance, and the subsequent involvement of the employee's boyfriend. I hope police also followed up with that? The timing of that is obviously of interest in relation to this event.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I am curious about the physical altercation with the other employee at S's place of employment on the Saturday before her disappearance, and the subsequent involvement of the employee's boyfriend. I hope police also followed up with that? The timing of that is obviously of interest in relation to this event.

Yes BL mentioned it in the 999 call iirc? Or in intvw

 

[Alyce]

Court finished at 16.15 hrs - back tomorrow 10.15 hrs

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Thanks again, Alyce. Sterling work.

Cheers all.

 

[deugirtni]

The part about him jumping up while with the officer when his mother came to the door, because he thought it may have been Sarah. It brought to mind that old Poe short-story, 'Tell-tale Heart'.

 

[deugirtni]

Yes BL mentioned it in the 999 call iirc? Or in intvw

Yes so they knew about it and hopefully they followed up on it and those two people have alibis? Hoping to hear more about this.

 

[chimpface]

Does it even matter? I don't care if she was seeing half the men in Kent. She did not deserve to be made vanish regardless of how many men she was involved with.

I was merely stating an opinion, I didn't say it mattered nor that she deserved it so don't try and twist my words please.

 

[deugirtni]

Was this Mr Eleini a friend or lover? He sounds like a lover by the language used.

Does it even matter? I don't care if she was seeing half the men in Kent. She did not deserve to be made vanish regardless of how many men she was involved with.

I was merely stating an opinion, I didn't say it mattered nor that she deserved it so don't try and twist my post please.

I think it is important to talk about all of the aspects of a case, and doing so should not imply that any victim-blaming is taking place. imo.

It seems BL thought S was playing around (cheating on, is I believe the language he used) on NJ, while it is obvious from MSM articles, FB pages, etc, that Neil thought they himself and Sarah were a dedicated couple. I thought this Mr. Eleini fellow was simply the son of a client, however, if there was talk between him and S about a 'playdate', it could be construed to take on different meanings.

If that were the case, then who would be affected? Obviously NJ. And seems that BL had proven to be disturbed by such behaviours in the past, given that IIRC, he used such behaviours as a reason why he was entitled to have custody of the children. Maybe if there were others, they may have also had similar impressions about their personal relationships with S, and may be affected by any such playing around. Considering that her body hasn't been found and the evidence is all circumstantial evidence so far, it is worth considering if there may have been others who could have potentially become so emotionally charged that they may have had, in their own minds, reason for 'doing something' to her in a moment of fury, or even as an act of vengeance, such as also the people she had a physical altercation with only a few days beforehand.

The trial was forecasted to be.... I forget if 3 or 4 weeks in duration.. so hopefully there is much more evidence and testimony to come. I'm hoping to hear from these fellows, her family members, employers, etc. It's possible that perhaps some of us won't be so sure about BL's guilt by the time it's all said and heard, who knows?

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I think we may be getting to one of the possible answers to a question posed on thread before the trial started, it was along the lines of
.
I wonder why this justgiving/funding page hasnt really generated as much as I thought it would?.....!!

People are naturally judgemental on the whole ( not on ws as much but in wider society), rightly or wrongly. Usually hypocritically moralistic, esp when the target is Female.
Will lap up the filth churned out by the press and broadcasters but apply differing morality often, in their own judgements.

In the Claudia Lawrence case, LE resisted releasing too much info at first and were very cautious in language and phrasing about Claudia's private life, not only to protect the family and the integrity of the investigation but, as they admitted later, because they knew that the average person would care less and be less likely to speak any concerns or information if Claudia was seen to be promiscuous or a homebreaker/flirt etc.

I think Deu is correct, we should be able to discuss and debate all topics and opinion. I think everyone has done so respectfully and intelligently so far.

Edit Sp

 

[Amonet]

I also find some of his reasoning believable. He's just so inconsistent. Maybe some truth/halftruths mixed in with the lies?

I cant wait for the explaination of why he had SW's iphone and showed it to Police, but then latterly 'it wasnt in the house' . Ok Ben, where is it?!

I think he's very much guilty on what weve heard already, but again Id like something really irrefutable from the Prosecution, otherwise is their reasonable doubt?

Note to self : Patience

From today's updates, BL seems to have been sending some mixed messages out. He cared enough about Sarah to call in a missing person's report, but he didn't seem to like having the police around his house, didn't want them to have access to things on his phone, doesn't seem to ask much for updates on whether the police have found Sarah alive and well. It seems more like BL was going through the motions in reporting her missing than really caring about the mother of his kids.

I'm curious what conversations had taken place regarding the sale of the house, how realistic BL thought the sale was, when it might go through if it was a solid plan and not just a vague idea, and what he thought might happen with custody/access to the younger children.

BL's attitudes in his dealings with the police who were trying to locate SW and work out what happened to her don't sound very helpful, but being disinterested might raise suspicions, yet it's not conclusive evidence that he's murdered her.

That there's been no phone or bank activity from SW since that night, that it seems out of character for her to not be in touch with her mum and her kids (and boyfriend(s) seems highly suggestive that she is deceased.

BL's behaviour in regard to lying about going out on the critical night, the discrepancy over who turned off the cctv and why it wasn't working that night, and a few other things...I find these things not so much 'suggestive' but moving into 'highly suspicious' territory. There are also a lot of things you guys are mentioning on the thread that I'm not familiar with....so I would say that a strong case is being made for BL being the most likely suspect, but I don't know if that's yet enough for a jury to return a guilty verdict. I think the jury will want a lot of guidance on how compelling the evidence needs to be for them to feel that they have sufficient evidence in front of them to feel safe that they aren't convicting an innocent man.

 

[Ironside]

I was merely stating an opinion, I didn't say it mattered nor that she deserved it so don't try and twist my words please.

Sorry chimpface I could have phrased that better. I always like your posts and didn't mean to come across as twisting your words.

I really think the defence will go with the "she was a total tart any man could have killed her" defence so I must have been feeling very defensive of her when I replied.

 

[chimpface]

Sorry chimpface I could have phrased that better. I always like your posts and didn't mean to come across as twisting your words.

I really think the defence will go with the "she was a total tart any man could have killed her" defence so I must have been feeling very defensive of her when I replied.

No worries

 

[WiseOwl]

KentLive 17,47

Occupant 'woke in the middle of the night and couldn't find Sarah'

An occupant of the house was interviewed by DC Lisa Roots and DC Deniz Aslan on October 18.

This video interview was played at Woolwich Crown Court today (October 8).
When asked where Sarah was, the person - who can’t be named for legal reasons - explained Ben told them Sarah was “lost” and “we don’t know where she is, nobody knows where she is”.

The witness woke up in the middle of the night and neither Miss Wellgreen or Lacomba were in their separate bedrooms.
They “checked in Sarah’s room and she wasn’t there and her bed was wet and she left her phone and her purse”.

The witness claimed the bed “was wet on the right hand side where the wardrobe is” on the “top bit of the bed”.
The occupant claimed the bed “hasn’t been wet before” in the interview.

When the person woke up, they claim Lacomba was not at the property and instead “at work taxi driving” but later “saw him come back home”.

The witness had gone downstairs to watch TV.
They claim Lacomba then “went back to bed”, as did the witness.

The occupant of the house added that Lacomba told them: “You don’t have to worry about it because the police are finding Sarah.”

So this contradicts BL's story that he was at home asleep that night.