GUILTY UK - Sir Richard Sutton, 83, murdered, Anne Schreiber, 65, wounded, Dorset, 7 Apr 2021
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10:20am
Good morning, we are back at Winchester Crown Court for the fifth day of the trial of Thomas Schreiber, 35 and of Gillingham, Dorset, who is accused of the murder of Sir Richard Sutton and the attempted murder of his mother Anne Schreiber.
10:21am
We are already under way on day five. James Reid, a friend of the defendant, is giving evidence over video link.
He is currently answering questions from prosecutor Adam Feest QC about how he knew Thomas Schreiber and the impact the death of the defendant's father had on him.
10:22am
Mr Reid said he remained in "sporadic" contact when the defendant moved to Australia.
10:24am
The witness confirms he was aware the defendant was coming back to the United Kingdom having split up with his girlfriend in Australia.
10:24am
When he met with the defendant, Mr Reid said he "thought he was quite up tight" and "it looked like he had been through some trauma".
10:25am
The current line of questions relate to several years ago.
10:27am
Mr Reid said he observed a change in temperament. "He seemed regressive."
He added that Thomas Schreiber appeared less tolerant.
10:27am
These observations came from a meeting around the end of January 2019.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
Good morning, we are back at Winchester Crown Court for the fifth day of the trial of Thomas Schreiber, 35 and of Gillingham, Dorset, who is accused of the murder of Sir Richard Sutton and the attempted murder of his mother Anne Schreiber.
10:21am
We are already under way on day five. James Reid, a friend of the defendant, is giving evidence over video link.
He is currently answering questions from prosecutor Adam Feest QC about how he knew Thomas Schreiber and the impact the death of the defendant's father had on him.
10:22am
Mr Reid said he remained in "sporadic" contact when the defendant moved to Australia.
10:24am
The witness confirms he was aware the defendant was coming back to the United Kingdom having split up with his girlfriend in Australia.
10:24am
When he met with the defendant, Mr Reid said he "thought he was quite up tight" and "it looked like he had been through some trauma".
10:25am
The current line of questions relate to several years ago.
10:27am
Mr Reid said he observed a change in temperament. "He seemed regressive."
He added that Thomas Schreiber appeared less tolerant.
10:27am
These observations came from a meeting around the end of January 2019.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
10:27am
They met again in Liverpool in June 2019.
10:28am
Mr Reid says on this occasion the defendant seemed a bit more content.
10:29am
They discussed help the defendant was seeking for his mental health.
Mr Reid tells the court that he thought this was a good thing.
10:29am
"I think for some time he felt that he should be moving out (of the family home)," said Mr Reid.
10:34am
Mr Feest QC is now taking Mr Reid through message exchanges he had with the defendant last year.
10:35am
The court hears that one message sent by the defendant on September 21, 2020, said: “I have a plan which I'm working on.
"There are many holes in it but it's a plan nonetheless. Revenge is at its heart which I'm sure I'll regret but it's about time.”
10:36am
Mr Reid tells the court he was constantly trying to tell the defendant that any sort of revenge never achieves anything.
He added: "I was more interested in his plan to get out of there (the home at Moorhill)."
10:37am
There was an indication of hatred from the defendant, Mr Reid said.
"I think the situation was deteriorating," he tells the court.
10:39am
Mr Feest QC asks Mr Reid if he recognises photographs sent to him by Thomas Schreiber following a tussle the defendent had with his family.
The witness confirms he recalls receiving them.
10:44am
Mr Feest QC has read through a draft letter the defendant sent to Mr Reid, which was addressed to Anne Schreiber ahead of Christmas 2020.
Mr Reid tells the court that he thought it would be "incendiary" and believes it would have been better for Thomas Schreiber to discuss the situation with his mother.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
They met again in Liverpool in June 2019.
10:28am
Mr Reid says on this occasion the defendant seemed a bit more content.
10:29am
They discussed help the defendant was seeking for his mental health.
Mr Reid tells the court that he thought this was a good thing.
10:29am
"I think for some time he felt that he should be moving out (of the family home)," said Mr Reid.
10:34am
Mr Feest QC is now taking Mr Reid through message exchanges he had with the defendant last year.
10:35am
The court hears that one message sent by the defendant on September 21, 2020, said: “I have a plan which I'm working on.
"There are many holes in it but it's a plan nonetheless. Revenge is at its heart which I'm sure I'll regret but it's about time.”
10:36am
Mr Reid tells the court he was constantly trying to tell the defendant that any sort of revenge never achieves anything.
He added: "I was more interested in his plan to get out of there (the home at Moorhill)."
10:37am
There was an indication of hatred from the defendant, Mr Reid said.
"I think the situation was deteriorating," he tells the court.
10:39am
Mr Feest QC asks Mr Reid if he recognises photographs sent to him by Thomas Schreiber following a tussle the defendent had with his family.
The witness confirms he recalls receiving them.
10:44am
Mr Feest QC has read through a draft letter the defendant sent to Mr Reid, which was addressed to Anne Schreiber ahead of Christmas 2020.
Mr Reid tells the court that he thought it would be "incendiary" and believes it would have been better for Thomas Schreiber to discuss the situation with his mother.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
10:47am
Mr Feest QC moves on to messages in February 2021.
10:49am
The defendant sent messages expressing his frustrations in his situation at the time living with his family.
10:49am
Mr Reid said he kept going on at encouraging the defendant to "redirect his energy".
10:49am
"I think this was the start of a further deterioration by this point," Mr Reid tells the court.
10:53am
Questions move on to a message exchange on April 2, 2021.
10:54am
The defendant sent messages to Mr Reid detailing an issue over a car he had seen his sister driving.
10:55am
Now onto the April 5.
The defendant sent messages describing the Easter weekend with his family as "awkward".
10:57am
Mr Feest QC now discussing messages on April 7 - the anniversary of the death of the defendant's father.
Thomas Schreiber sent Mr Reid a picture of his father's gravestone.
Mr Reid tells the court normally the defendant sent a picture of himself and his father on the anniversary.
10:58am
Mr Reid confirms he had a phone call with the defendant at 7.41pm on April 7.
10:59am
The defendant left a voice note for Mr Reid at 7.06pm, which Mr Reid tells the court he was not aware of when he spoke on the phone with Thomas Schreiber.
11:00am
Mr Reid said the call was largely down to Thomas Schreiber.
He said it was "hysterical".
"I was listening in a sort of disbelieving way", he tells the court.
11:06am
Asked what he could recall of the call, Mr Reid said: "He was screaming really and then he said what he had done.
"I think he said to me along the lines of he had ****** it up. He'd killed both Sir Richard and his mother and then there was quite a lot of hysteria.
"I think he spoke about his girlfriend. I asked him where he was."
Mr Reid tells the court Thomas Schreiber told him he was in a car.
The witness added: "He said he was in Wiltshire and he was in a field, that was my recollection and that he was hurt and bleeding."
Mr Reid confirms the defendant said he was covered in blood.
"By then it had become highly emotive and extremely surreal," said Mr Reid.
Mr Feest QC asked did he say he was pathetic and couldn't stand it anymore? Mr Reid says yes.
Mr Feest QC asked did he also say that he loved you and he would miss you? Mr Reid says yes he did say that.
Mr Feest QC asked if the defendant said that he was going to waste himself. Mr Reid said: "Yes, that's the best recollection I have of that part of it."
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
Mr Feest QC moves on to messages in February 2021.
10:49am
The defendant sent messages expressing his frustrations in his situation at the time living with his family.
10:49am
Mr Reid said he kept going on at encouraging the defendant to "redirect his energy".
10:49am
"I think this was the start of a further deterioration by this point," Mr Reid tells the court.
10:53am
Questions move on to a message exchange on April 2, 2021.
10:54am
The defendant sent messages to Mr Reid detailing an issue over a car he had seen his sister driving.
10:55am
Now onto the April 5.
The defendant sent messages describing the Easter weekend with his family as "awkward".
10:57am
Mr Feest QC now discussing messages on April 7 - the anniversary of the death of the defendant's father.
Thomas Schreiber sent Mr Reid a picture of his father's gravestone.
Mr Reid tells the court normally the defendant sent a picture of himself and his father on the anniversary.
10:58am
Mr Reid confirms he had a phone call with the defendant at 7.41pm on April 7.
10:59am
The defendant left a voice note for Mr Reid at 7.06pm, which Mr Reid tells the court he was not aware of when he spoke on the phone with Thomas Schreiber.
11:00am
Mr Reid said the call was largely down to Thomas Schreiber.
He said it was "hysterical".
"I was listening in a sort of disbelieving way", he tells the court.
11:06am
Asked what he could recall of the call, Mr Reid said: "He was screaming really and then he said what he had done.
"I think he said to me along the lines of he had ****** it up. He'd killed both Sir Richard and his mother and then there was quite a lot of hysteria.
"I think he spoke about his girlfriend. I asked him where he was."
Mr Reid tells the court Thomas Schreiber told him he was in a car.
The witness added: "He said he was in Wiltshire and he was in a field, that was my recollection and that he was hurt and bleeding."
Mr Reid confirms the defendant said he was covered in blood.
"By then it had become highly emotive and extremely surreal," said Mr Reid.
Mr Feest QC asked did he say he was pathetic and couldn't stand it anymore? Mr Reid says yes.
Mr Feest QC asked did he also say that he loved you and he would miss you? Mr Reid says yes he did say that.
Mr Feest QC asked if the defendant said that he was going to waste himself. Mr Reid said: "Yes, that's the best recollection I have of that part of it."
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
11:26am
Joe Stone QC, representing the defendant, is cross examining Mr Reid, who confirms his age is 64.
11:27am
Mr Reid says he has known the defendant since 2007 through his half-brother Adam Schreiber.
11:28am
Mr Stone QC: He looked up to you as the role model given the difference in ages?
Mr Reid: I'm not sure of that.
11:28am
"We were good friends," says Mr Reid.
11:29am
He agrees the defendant was "candid" on "certain issues".
11:29am
Mr Reid confirmed he noticed a "significant change" in the defendant following his father's death in 2013.
11:30am
Asked if it would be fair comment to say Thomas Schreiber never got over the death of his father, Mr Reid says: "I think that is fair."
11:34am
Mr Reid confirms that he was made aware a meeting between the defendant and his mother out in Australia went "very badly".
11:35am
Asked if he thought the defendant had gone through a mental breakdown in late 2018, Mr Reid said: "I thought he had gone through that sort of thing."
11:36am
Upon the defendant's return to the UK in 2019, Mr Reid noticed a change in Thomas Schreiber's demeanor, the court is told.
11:39am
Mr Stone QC asks if the defendant was he in a very bad space mentally in early 2019?
"I think he was struggling to recover being back in the UK," says Mr Reid.
11:40am
In late 2019, did the defendant feel there was a divide between him and his family, Mr Stone QC asks.
Mr Reid says Thomas Schreiber had said this.
11:41am
The court hears that Mr Reid said he believed the arrival of Covid had a detrimental and negative impact on the defendant.
11:44am
Asked about the incident in which Sir Richard Sutton hit the defendant in the back with his walking stick, Mr Reid said: "I think it had a significant impact on him full stop."
11:46am
Asked about the phone call with the defendant after the fatal incident, Mr Reid says he thought Thomas Schreiber had lost control.
11:46am
That concludes Mr Reid's evidence.
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Joe Stone QC, representing the defendant, is cross examining Mr Reid, who confirms his age is 64.
11:27am
Mr Reid says he has known the defendant since 2007 through his half-brother Adam Schreiber.
11:28am
Mr Stone QC: He looked up to you as the role model given the difference in ages?
Mr Reid: I'm not sure of that.
11:28am
"We were good friends," says Mr Reid.
11:29am
He agrees the defendant was "candid" on "certain issues".
11:29am
Mr Reid confirmed he noticed a "significant change" in the defendant following his father's death in 2013.
11:30am
Asked if it would be fair comment to say Thomas Schreiber never got over the death of his father, Mr Reid says: "I think that is fair."
11:34am
Mr Reid confirms that he was made aware a meeting between the defendant and his mother out in Australia went "very badly".
11:35am
Asked if he thought the defendant had gone through a mental breakdown in late 2018, Mr Reid said: "I thought he had gone through that sort of thing."
11:36am
Upon the defendant's return to the UK in 2019, Mr Reid noticed a change in Thomas Schreiber's demeanor, the court is told.
11:39am
Mr Stone QC asks if the defendant was he in a very bad space mentally in early 2019?
"I think he was struggling to recover being back in the UK," says Mr Reid.
11:40am
In late 2019, did the defendant feel there was a divide between him and his family, Mr Stone QC asks.
Mr Reid says Thomas Schreiber had said this.
11:41am
The court hears that Mr Reid said he believed the arrival of Covid had a detrimental and negative impact on the defendant.
11:44am
Asked about the incident in which Sir Richard Sutton hit the defendant in the back with his walking stick, Mr Reid said: "I think it had a significant impact on him full stop."
11:46am
Asked about the phone call with the defendant after the fatal incident, Mr Reid says he thought Thomas Schreiber had lost control.
11:46am
That concludes Mr Reid's evidence.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
11:50am
Prosecutor Mr Feest QC calls Francis Lickerish to give evidence.
Mr Lickerish, in his capacity as a counsellor and therapist, had dealings with Thomas Schreiber in March 2019.
Mr Lickerish tells the court he specialises in addiction and trauma.
He was asked by Anne Schreiber to treat her son. The defendant subscribed to a four-day residential course specifically focused on trauma run by Mr Lickerish in Hook, Hampshire.
11:51am
Mr Lickerish says the defendant appeared to engage in the sessions but he could tell the defendant was "holding back" and "adapting".
The witness tells "adapting" is a psychic defence where patients read the situation and act in a certain way.
11:52am
Mr Lickerish said it is a therapist's job to get round this defence but in Mr Schreiber's case he struggled to do this.
11:52am
He says the defendant was aggreived about the car he had had to use to get to the therapy course.
11:53am
Thomas Schreiber turned up for all of the sessions, Mr Lickerish says.
11:57am
Mr Lickerish said he assessed that the defendant was someone who was very badly hurt, he had been wounded and that wound was causing him a lot of pain, which was covered up with anger but he handled that anger well in the context.
The witness says this involved the defendant's perceived position that he had in his current family with Sir Richard and Anne Schreiber, he felt less than other members of the family.
"I would call him a lost child," said Mr Lickerish. "I think he got very overlooked.
"He had a difficult early life because of the situation with his mother and he felt abandonment."
There was emotional abandonment by both his mother and his father, said Mr Lickerish.
11:57am
Mr Lickerish tells the court that Thomas Schreiber felt he was in a trap and couldn't free himself for which he blamed Sir Richard and his mother.
11:58am
"I felt his drinking was a serious problem for him," says Mr Lickerish.
Mr Lickerish says he felt the defendnat suffered from alcoholism.
12:00pm
Cross examination now from Mr Stone QC.
12:01pm
Mr Stone QC asks about Mr Lickerish's website and information on it.
The witness confirms he is not a qualified psychologist.
12:02pm
Mr Lickerish confirms his wife is friends with Anne Schreiber.
His wife, who worked in interior design, helped with design at Moorhill and Anne Schreiber's practice in Millborne Port.
12:03pm
Mr Stone QC asks if Mr Lickerish has any notes from his sessions with the defendant. The witness says he does not.
12:05pm
Mr Stone QC is quizzing Mr Lickerish on his recollection of the dates and nature of the sessions he had with the defendant.
12:07pm
Mr Stone QC puts it to Mr Lickerish that there is two-year gap between his last meeting with Thomas Schreiber and his recollections of those sessions in his police statement.
12:10pm
Mr Lickerish ends cross examination by confirming "adapting" by Thomas Schreiber was something done in defence by an individual.
12:12pm
Responding to a question from the judge, Mr Lickerish says: "If a lay person spoke to Tom they would find him open and friendly."
However, he goes on saying that listening with "theraputic ears and with background information" his sense of the defendnat was that he was "carrying a lot of wounds, probably from very early on in life" and adapating was a way of protecting those wounds.
12:13pm
Mr Lickerish has concluded his evidence.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
Prosecutor Mr Feest QC calls Francis Lickerish to give evidence.
Mr Lickerish, in his capacity as a counsellor and therapist, had dealings with Thomas Schreiber in March 2019.
Mr Lickerish tells the court he specialises in addiction and trauma.
He was asked by Anne Schreiber to treat her son. The defendant subscribed to a four-day residential course specifically focused on trauma run by Mr Lickerish in Hook, Hampshire.
11:51am
Mr Lickerish says the defendant appeared to engage in the sessions but he could tell the defendant was "holding back" and "adapting".
The witness tells "adapting" is a psychic defence where patients read the situation and act in a certain way.
11:52am
Mr Lickerish said it is a therapist's job to get round this defence but in Mr Schreiber's case he struggled to do this.
11:52am
He says the defendant was aggreived about the car he had had to use to get to the therapy course.
11:53am
Thomas Schreiber turned up for all of the sessions, Mr Lickerish says.
11:57am
Mr Lickerish said he assessed that the defendant was someone who was very badly hurt, he had been wounded and that wound was causing him a lot of pain, which was covered up with anger but he handled that anger well in the context.
The witness says this involved the defendant's perceived position that he had in his current family with Sir Richard and Anne Schreiber, he felt less than other members of the family.
"I would call him a lost child," said Mr Lickerish. "I think he got very overlooked.
"He had a difficult early life because of the situation with his mother and he felt abandonment."
There was emotional abandonment by both his mother and his father, said Mr Lickerish.
11:57am
Mr Lickerish tells the court that Thomas Schreiber felt he was in a trap and couldn't free himself for which he blamed Sir Richard and his mother.
11:58am
"I felt his drinking was a serious problem for him," says Mr Lickerish.
Mr Lickerish says he felt the defendnat suffered from alcoholism.
12:00pm
Cross examination now from Mr Stone QC.
12:01pm
Mr Stone QC asks about Mr Lickerish's website and information on it.
The witness confirms he is not a qualified psychologist.
12:02pm
Mr Lickerish confirms his wife is friends with Anne Schreiber.
His wife, who worked in interior design, helped with design at Moorhill and Anne Schreiber's practice in Millborne Port.
12:03pm
Mr Stone QC asks if Mr Lickerish has any notes from his sessions with the defendant. The witness says he does not.
12:05pm
Mr Stone QC is quizzing Mr Lickerish on his recollection of the dates and nature of the sessions he had with the defendant.
12:07pm
Mr Stone QC puts it to Mr Lickerish that there is two-year gap between his last meeting with Thomas Schreiber and his recollections of those sessions in his police statement.
12:10pm
Mr Lickerish ends cross examination by confirming "adapting" by Thomas Schreiber was something done in defence by an individual.
12:12pm
Responding to a question from the judge, Mr Lickerish says: "If a lay person spoke to Tom they would find him open and friendly."
However, he goes on saying that listening with "theraputic ears and with background information" his sense of the defendnat was that he was "carrying a lot of wounds, probably from very early on in life" and adapating was a way of protecting those wounds.
12:13pm
Mr Lickerish has concluded his evidence.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
12:13pm
The court will now be played a police interview with Anne Schreiber, which took place in late June, 2021.
12:19pm
Discussing what happened after returning home on the evening of April 7, Anne Schreiber says: "My memory begins and stops around the time I was walking. I know I am in the kitchen."
12:19pm
"Richard I believe probably was in his office which is a room next door to the kitchen," she says.
12:21pm
Anne Schreiber said she heard a kurfuffle and turned around where she saw Thomas Schreiber, who looked "unusual".
12:22pm
She asked him if he is all right and saw a knife.
12:28pm
"I believed that he stabbed," Anne Schreiber says.
"I received some stabs from him and I remember looking at the knife in me and being surprised that it doesn't hurt more and I also remember me saying what are you doing or something ridiculous like that. Why are you doing what you are doing?
"And being very surprised that it doesn't hurt more.
"And then I do believe, I may be wrong, I believe Richard comes into the kitchen from this other living room shouting and screaming.
"He was definitely alive then because I did see him.
She said she remembers Sir Richard at least making an entrance.
"I thought I saw Richard coming in and Thomas being more aggitated because of his presence and stabbing me again," said Anne Schreiber.
"And then I don't know what happens to Richard, whether he leaves the room or falls down or if Thomas stabs him in front of me.
"You want the truth and I honestly can't say I see Richard being stabbed by Tom but I know I am, that's for sure".
She added: "I do believe he stabs me on the back and that time and I am afraid that is as far as my memory goes."
12:29pm
The defendant is sat still in the dock while the video evidence from his mother continues. At times he has had his head looking down at the ground.
12:30pm
Anne Schreiber said she first reacted and turned around in the kitchen after hearing shouting.
12:31pm
When she first saw the defendant in the kitchen she said he was standing in an "unusal" way.
"He has a knife in his hand," she says.
12:31pm
She says he held the knife up in a "very frightening manner like in crime films".
12:32pm
"I looked at it and thought what an unusual thing," says Ms Schreiber.
12:32pm
"I said 'what are you doing' and then he stabbed me," she says.
12:33pm
"I felt almost like a by-stander looking through a window," says Ms Schreiber.
She says that she thinks the knife was in his right hand.
12:33pm
"I don't know where my facial scars come from", she says.
12:34pm
"I think it was a kitchen knife," she says.
12:35pm
The knife had a black handle, said Ms Schreiber.
12:36pm
She describes it as a "good chopping knife" and "15 centimetres" when asked about the size of the knife.
12:40pm
"I have some awful nightmares relating to this time in my head but they are not real," says Anne Schreiber.
12:41pm
"I have endless dreams, hallucinations," she says.
12:43pm
Anne Schreiber says she has no memory of events during the day on April 7, 2021.
12:45pm
Asked about her son and his personality, Anne Schreiber said: "I always felt in some ways I have failed him or my late husband David have failed him. David didn't fail him, he spoiled him an incredible amount and so did I."
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
The court will now be played a police interview with Anne Schreiber, which took place in late June, 2021.
12:19pm
Discussing what happened after returning home on the evening of April 7, Anne Schreiber says: "My memory begins and stops around the time I was walking. I know I am in the kitchen."
12:19pm
"Richard I believe probably was in his office which is a room next door to the kitchen," she says.
12:21pm
Anne Schreiber said she heard a kurfuffle and turned around where she saw Thomas Schreiber, who looked "unusual".
12:22pm
She asked him if he is all right and saw a knife.
12:28pm
"I believed that he stabbed," Anne Schreiber says.
"I received some stabs from him and I remember looking at the knife in me and being surprised that it doesn't hurt more and I also remember me saying what are you doing or something ridiculous like that. Why are you doing what you are doing?
"And being very surprised that it doesn't hurt more.
"And then I do believe, I may be wrong, I believe Richard comes into the kitchen from this other living room shouting and screaming.
"He was definitely alive then because I did see him.
She said she remembers Sir Richard at least making an entrance.
"I thought I saw Richard coming in and Thomas being more aggitated because of his presence and stabbing me again," said Anne Schreiber.
"And then I don't know what happens to Richard, whether he leaves the room or falls down or if Thomas stabs him in front of me.
"You want the truth and I honestly can't say I see Richard being stabbed by Tom but I know I am, that's for sure".
She added: "I do believe he stabs me on the back and that time and I am afraid that is as far as my memory goes."
12:29pm
The defendant is sat still in the dock while the video evidence from his mother continues. At times he has had his head looking down at the ground.
12:30pm
Anne Schreiber said she first reacted and turned around in the kitchen after hearing shouting.
12:31pm
When she first saw the defendant in the kitchen she said he was standing in an "unusal" way.
"He has a knife in his hand," she says.
12:31pm
She says he held the knife up in a "very frightening manner like in crime films".
12:32pm
"I looked at it and thought what an unusual thing," says Ms Schreiber.
12:32pm
"I said 'what are you doing' and then he stabbed me," she says.
12:33pm
"I felt almost like a by-stander looking through a window," says Ms Schreiber.
She says that she thinks the knife was in his right hand.
12:33pm
"I don't know where my facial scars come from", she says.
12:34pm
"I think it was a kitchen knife," she says.
12:35pm
The knife had a black handle, said Ms Schreiber.
12:36pm
She describes it as a "good chopping knife" and "15 centimetres" when asked about the size of the knife.
12:40pm
"I have some awful nightmares relating to this time in my head but they are not real," says Anne Schreiber.
12:41pm
"I have endless dreams, hallucinations," she says.
12:43pm
Anne Schreiber says she has no memory of events during the day on April 7, 2021.
12:45pm
Asked about her son and his personality, Anne Schreiber said: "I always felt in some ways I have failed him or my late husband David have failed him. David didn't fail him, he spoiled him an incredible amount and so did I."
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12:48pm
She said she always gave him an "enormous amount of love".
"He was a very attractive little boy with blond hair and so was my daughters for that matter," she says.
Anne Schreiber said he had a "furious temperament".
She adds: "He can be very aggressive especially to me. I did seem to take the brunt. I couldn't get away with very much before he would jump on me.
"He was also very aggressive to his dad David, who he absolutely adored."
12:48pm
Anne Schreiber says the defendant had shown physical aggression towards his sisters.
12:49pm
"When it comes to Tom it always ends in fisticuffs and that is something I am ashamed of," she says.
12:52pm
Anne Schreiber said: "It was very difficult to ever have a quiet, civilised, balanced conversation with Tom about some emotional issues without you being fearful that you could end in a shouting match where horrible things were said."
He could say the "most horrendous things", she added.
12:52pm
"He just had a tendancy to lash out - there's no doubt about that," said Anne Schreiber.
12:53pm
She said driving back from a party a couple of years ago the defendant tried to strangle her which "isn't a normal thing to do".
12:56pm
Anne Schreiber said: "He was definitely not himself. I would swear on oath with my heart that the man who came into my kitchen could have been a total stranger."
She adds that he looked "very unusual" because "she was shocked when she saw him".
12:58pm
"Well his eyes were very, very unusual," she said.
The defendant's mother added "his eyes were definitely wild" and "looked very out of control".
1:00pm
The video interview has concluded.
We will now break for lunch. The jury will be back in at 2.10pm.
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She said she always gave him an "enormous amount of love".
"He was a very attractive little boy with blond hair and so was my daughters for that matter," she says.
Anne Schreiber said he had a "furious temperament".
She adds: "He can be very aggressive especially to me. I did seem to take the brunt. I couldn't get away with very much before he would jump on me.
"He was also very aggressive to his dad David, who he absolutely adored."
12:48pm
Anne Schreiber says the defendant had shown physical aggression towards his sisters.
12:49pm
"When it comes to Tom it always ends in fisticuffs and that is something I am ashamed of," she says.
12:52pm
Anne Schreiber said: "It was very difficult to ever have a quiet, civilised, balanced conversation with Tom about some emotional issues without you being fearful that you could end in a shouting match where horrible things were said."
He could say the "most horrendous things", she added.
12:52pm
"He just had a tendancy to lash out - there's no doubt about that," said Anne Schreiber.
12:53pm
She said driving back from a party a couple of years ago the defendant tried to strangle her which "isn't a normal thing to do".
12:56pm
Anne Schreiber said: "He was definitely not himself. I would swear on oath with my heart that the man who came into my kitchen could have been a total stranger."
She adds that he looked "very unusual" because "she was shocked when she saw him".
12:58pm
"Well his eyes were very, very unusual," she said.
The defendant's mother added "his eyes were definitely wild" and "looked very out of control".
1:00pm
The video interview has concluded.
We will now break for lunch. The jury will be back in at 2.10pm.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
2:04pm
We are back in court and the jury are expected to return shortly as Anne Schreiber gives evidence over a live video link from hospital.
2:25pm
The jury have made their way back into court and the trial will now continue.
2:27pm
Mr Feest QC confirms he has no further questions at this stage.
[me - huh? seems to be an unexplained gap in reporting there]
2:28pm
Joe Stone QC (JS), representing the defendant, will now cross examine Anne Schreiber (AS).
2:31pm
AS confirms she moved into Moorhill in 2003 and lived with Sir Richard Sutton full time. She willingly took her two daughters and her son with her to the property.
2:32pm
JS: Did the defendant find it difficult to adjust to life there?
AS: Yes, he did find it difficult.
JS: Was this because you were living with another man.
AS: Thomas did not like my friend and lover Sir Richard Sutton to be part of life.
2:33pm
JS: Do you think he (the defendant) was happy to move there?
AS: He would probably have preferred to have lived in his old house.
[my note - Schreiber was 17 in 2003]
2:33pm
Anne Schreiber says she and her husband were going through an "amicable" divorce.
2:34pm
She agrees that Thomas Schreiber was affected by his father's death.
"Very strongly," she says.
[my note - Schreiber was 27 when his father died]
2:35pm
She says she remembers when Thomas Schreiber went to Australia and she visited him.
"This was a straightforward wish to see him."
She says the trip was not to resolve her relationship with him.
2:36pm
Mr Stone QC moves to events of April 7, 2021.
He asks if Anne Schreiber recalls that day but she says her memory is not the best.
2:36pm
She remembers being in the kitchen on the evening of April 7 and referring to the study at Moorhill.
2:38pm
Mr Stone QC asks "do you remember what happened in the 10 minutes or so before that?"
Anne Schreiber says: "If I did, I would love to help you out but I can only go through again what I think I previously would have mentioned.
"My memory is rather limited. I remember Thomas coming into the kitchen if that is what you are referring to. I was cooking and my back was turned to my cooker and Thomas came into the kitchen."
Asked again if she remembers what happened in the 10 minutes before this she says "absolutely not".
2:42pm
Anne Schreiber said he remembers being pushed in the back by the defendant and him calling her a "gold digging *****".
2:43pm
She says she remembers her son picking up a knife from the kitchen island and stabbing her with the knife.
2:44pm
Anne Schreiber said Sir Richard Sutton must have come into the kitchen but "I can't swear that Richard came in on that occasion into the kitchen".
2:44pm
Do you remember Sir Richard trying to stop the defendant stabbing you, Mr Stone QC asks?
Anne Schreiber replies: "Well, yes I do now."
2:45pm
"Do you remember Tom struggling with Sir Richard in the kitchen," says Mr Stone.
She says yes.
2:46pm
She denies having a knife in her hand at any stage. She denies seeing the defendant's hand get cut.
She says she did not see Sir Richard go back to the study or the defendant follow him.
2:49pm
Anne Schreiber tells the court: "That man who appeared to me at that moment, he was a very, I could hardly recognise him. He was so withdrawn and his grimmaces on his face were so, they were so, he looked just very torn.
"My son looked very torn in his face."
She says his eyes were "very wild looking".
Asked if looked out of control, she says "yes".
"Because of the expression in his eyes," she adds.
2:51pm
Anne Schreiber is asked if she remembers Sir Richard Sutton hitting her son with a cane in November 2020. She says she does remember.
She says the defendant was "furious".
Anne Schreiber tells the court Sir Richard retaliated because of her son's behaviour towards his sisters.
2:54pm
Mr Stone QC asks about the section of Anne Schreiber's video interview where she referenced the defendant strangling her.
She says she does not recall calling Thomas Schreiber a "leech". When asked about calling him worthless, she says "perhaps I did".
She says the defendant pulled her hair and punched her arm.
"Thomas could be a very volatile young man," she says.
Anne Schreiber adds: "When he was volatile he would be hair pulling and things like that."
2:54pm
Asked if Thomas Schreiber strangled her, she says "I don't know".
2:56pm
Mr Stone QC asks if on April 7, 2021, does she remember Thomas Schreiber asking her to have a drink to toast David?
"I don't recall," she responds.
2:57pm
Mr Stone QC asks if the witness remembers ever saying to Thomas Schreiber that he was drunk just like his father on April 7?
She says "no".
Asked if she recalled the defendant ever saying to her on that day he wasn't drunk, she says she does not know.
2:58pm
That concludes Mr Stone QC's questions and Anne Schreiber's evidence.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
We are back in court and the jury are expected to return shortly as Anne Schreiber gives evidence over a live video link from hospital.
2:25pm
The jury have made their way back into court and the trial will now continue.
2:27pm
Mr Feest QC confirms he has no further questions at this stage.
[me - huh? seems to be an unexplained gap in reporting there]
2:28pm
Joe Stone QC (JS), representing the defendant, will now cross examine Anne Schreiber (AS).
2:31pm
AS confirms she moved into Moorhill in 2003 and lived with Sir Richard Sutton full time. She willingly took her two daughters and her son with her to the property.
2:32pm
JS: Did the defendant find it difficult to adjust to life there?
AS: Yes, he did find it difficult.
JS: Was this because you were living with another man.
AS: Thomas did not like my friend and lover Sir Richard Sutton to be part of life.
2:33pm
JS: Do you think he (the defendant) was happy to move there?
AS: He would probably have preferred to have lived in his old house.
[my note - Schreiber was 17 in 2003]
2:33pm
Anne Schreiber says she and her husband were going through an "amicable" divorce.
2:34pm
She agrees that Thomas Schreiber was affected by his father's death.
"Very strongly," she says.
[my note - Schreiber was 27 when his father died]
2:35pm
She says she remembers when Thomas Schreiber went to Australia and she visited him.
"This was a straightforward wish to see him."
She says the trip was not to resolve her relationship with him.
2:36pm
Mr Stone QC moves to events of April 7, 2021.
He asks if Anne Schreiber recalls that day but she says her memory is not the best.
2:36pm
She remembers being in the kitchen on the evening of April 7 and referring to the study at Moorhill.
2:38pm
Mr Stone QC asks "do you remember what happened in the 10 minutes or so before that?"
Anne Schreiber says: "If I did, I would love to help you out but I can only go through again what I think I previously would have mentioned.
"My memory is rather limited. I remember Thomas coming into the kitchen if that is what you are referring to. I was cooking and my back was turned to my cooker and Thomas came into the kitchen."
Asked again if she remembers what happened in the 10 minutes before this she says "absolutely not".
2:42pm
Anne Schreiber said he remembers being pushed in the back by the defendant and him calling her a "gold digging *****".
2:43pm
She says she remembers her son picking up a knife from the kitchen island and stabbing her with the knife.
2:44pm
Anne Schreiber said Sir Richard Sutton must have come into the kitchen but "I can't swear that Richard came in on that occasion into the kitchen".
2:44pm
Do you remember Sir Richard trying to stop the defendant stabbing you, Mr Stone QC asks?
Anne Schreiber replies: "Well, yes I do now."
2:45pm
"Do you remember Tom struggling with Sir Richard in the kitchen," says Mr Stone.
She says yes.
2:46pm
She denies having a knife in her hand at any stage. She denies seeing the defendant's hand get cut.
She says she did not see Sir Richard go back to the study or the defendant follow him.
2:49pm
Anne Schreiber tells the court: "That man who appeared to me at that moment, he was a very, I could hardly recognise him. He was so withdrawn and his grimmaces on his face were so, they were so, he looked just very torn.
"My son looked very torn in his face."
She says his eyes were "very wild looking".
Asked if looked out of control, she says "yes".
"Because of the expression in his eyes," she adds.
2:51pm
Anne Schreiber is asked if she remembers Sir Richard Sutton hitting her son with a cane in November 2020. She says she does remember.
She says the defendant was "furious".
Anne Schreiber tells the court Sir Richard retaliated because of her son's behaviour towards his sisters.
2:54pm
Mr Stone QC asks about the section of Anne Schreiber's video interview where she referenced the defendant strangling her.
She says she does not recall calling Thomas Schreiber a "leech". When asked about calling him worthless, she says "perhaps I did".
She says the defendant pulled her hair and punched her arm.
"Thomas could be a very volatile young man," she says.
Anne Schreiber adds: "When he was volatile he would be hair pulling and things like that."
2:54pm
Asked if Thomas Schreiber strangled her, she says "I don't know".
2:56pm
Mr Stone QC asks if on April 7, 2021, does she remember Thomas Schreiber asking her to have a drink to toast David?
"I don't recall," she responds.
2:57pm
Mr Stone QC asks if the witness remembers ever saying to Thomas Schreiber that he was drunk just like his father on April 7?
She says "no".
Asked if she recalled the defendant ever saying to her on that day he wasn't drunk, she says she does not know.
2:58pm
That concludes Mr Stone QC's questions and Anne Schreiber's evidence.
LIVE: Sir Richard Sutton's partner and murder accused's mother gives evidence
3:02pm
Adam Feest QC is reading a statement from a firearms officer who was travelling to Gillingham, Dorset, from the Devizes area but they began a pursuit on a green Range Rover heading eastbound on the A303.
3:03pm
The pursuit continued into Hampshire, onto the M3 and all the way into London, with units from other forces joining the police effort.
3:05pm
The jury is now being shown footage from police vehicles, including helicopters.
3:13pm
A series of video clips are played before the defendant's arrest in London.
3:18pm
After being detained by officers and put on the ground the defendant can be heard repeatedly saying "please kill me".
3:19pm
An officer tells the defendant "that's not going to happen, stop asking".
3:26pm
The body-worn camera footage has concluded.
That ends today's proceedings.
The trial is adjourned until 10.30am on Monday, December 6.
4:23pm
Read our report from the fifth day of the trial on the link below
Court artist sketch by Elizabeth Cook of Thomas Schreiber, 35, appearing at Winchester Crown Court
Adam Feest QC is reading a statement from a firearms officer who was travelling to Gillingham, Dorset, from the Devizes area but they began a pursuit on a green Range Rover heading eastbound on the A303.
3:03pm
The pursuit continued into Hampshire, onto the M3 and all the way into London, with units from other forces joining the police effort.
3:05pm
The jury is now being shown footage from police vehicles, including helicopters.
3:13pm
A series of video clips are played before the defendant's arrest in London.
3:18pm
After being detained by officers and put on the ground the defendant can be heard repeatedly saying "please kill me".
3:19pm
An officer tells the defendant "that's not going to happen, stop asking".
3:26pm
The body-worn camera footage has concluded.
That ends today's proceedings.
The trial is adjourned until 10.30am on Monday, December 6.
4:23pm
Read our report from the fifth day of the trial on the link below
Court artist sketch by Elizabeth Cook of Thomas Schreiber, 35, appearing at Winchester Crown Court
The partner of a multimillionaire who was left paralysed when her son stabbed her repeatedly has described the moment she turned from the kitchen sink to find him brandishing a knife in front of her as if they were in a crime film.
Anne Schreiber’s evidence mainly took the form of a video recorded from the spinal unit of a hospital in Salisbury. She sat in a wheelchair, a blanket over her knees. She switched tenses when talking about the attack and struggled for some words. She was given a drink through a straw and sometimes had trouble breathing.
Schreiber, 35, watched from the dock, his head bowed for minutes at a time. He wiped his nose at one point but did not appear to shed a tear.
Anne Schreiber said her only memory of the day – 7 April – was the attack. She was listening to music and possibly singing along. She heard a “kerfuffle” and turned to find Schreiber standing there.
“He looked unusual,” she said. “His eyes are … almost frightening. They looked terribly determined. I see a knife. He didn’t look as if he was going to help me peel potatoes.
[...]
Anne Schreiber said she felt like a bystander looking through the window “as if it wasn’t really me there”. She believed the weapon was a “nice and sharp” knife from a block in the kitchen used to cut meat or vegetables.
In her initial evidence, Anne Schreiber said she had “awful nightmares”. “Thomas is very much part of them,” she added.
“I have some awful nightmares relating to this time.. I was trapped and he was my captor but they are not real.”
She said she wondered where she had gone wrong and felt she had failed Schreiber, but added: “I always think I have given Tom an enormous amount of love.”
Sir Richard Sutton killing: partner tells of son’s ‘wild-eyed’ attack
Earlier in the trial, jurors were shown police body-worn camera footage of a severely-injured Ms Schreiber being carried out of the house by armed officers.
In the video interview, Ms Schreiber said her son had always had a "ferocious temperament".
She said: "He could be very aggressive, especially to me.
"Tom had always been able to press the really, really nasty button.
"He could say the most horrendous things."
Ms Schreiber said her son, who lived in a flat within the property, had a "tendency to lash out".
[...]
Mr Reid said Schreiber had been "dedicating himself" to his work as an artist and that his relationship with his mother and Sir Richard was "deteriorating".
"He felt his family didn't treat art as proper work. There were moments when he thought they were undermining it," he said.
Sir Richard Sutton: Anne Schreiber describes attack to court
In the video interview, Ms Schreiber said her son had always had a "ferocious temperament".
She said: "He could be very aggressive, especially to me.
"Tom had always been able to press the really, really nasty button.
"He could say the most horrendous things."
Ms Schreiber said her son, who lived in a flat within the property, had a "tendency to lash out".
[...]
Mr Reid said Schreiber had been "dedicating himself" to his work as an artist and that his relationship with his mother and Sir Richard was "deteriorating".
"He felt his family didn't treat art as proper work. There were moments when he thought they were undermining it," he said.
Sir Richard Sutton: Anne Schreiber describes attack to court
Anne Schreiber remains in hospital seven months after the incident and says she still has nightmares about the evening in question.
In a video interview shown to the court, recorded at Salisbury Hospital on June 29 this year, the 66-year-old is sitting in a wheelchair and wearing a pink top and grey scarf, holding a pillow.
She told the court she had returned from the supermarket at about 6pm and had just fed the dogs in the kitchen, when her son came in and attacked her with a “nice and sharp” kitchen knife.
She said: “I am quite happy, possibly singing a little tune, but I am in a good mood when Tom comes in to the kitchen.
“Tom comes into the kitchen. Tom looks unusual, I think that is the best description, his eyes are quite, weird is not the word, almost frightening look, because they look terribly, terribly determined.
“I say ‘What’s the matter?’ or ‘Are you all right?’, and I see a knife and I remember saying ‘Don’t be so silly’, because he gives me an indication.”
She added: “He stood with his knife, he certainly didn’t look like he was going to help me peel potatoes, let’s put it that way, it was definitely a threatening posture.”
Paralysed mum looked at knife in her and was 'surprised it didn't hurt' | ITV News
In a video interview shown to the court, recorded at Salisbury Hospital on June 29 this year, the 66-year-old is sitting in a wheelchair and wearing a pink top and grey scarf, holding a pillow.
She told the court she had returned from the supermarket at about 6pm and had just fed the dogs in the kitchen, when her son came in and attacked her with a “nice and sharp” kitchen knife.
She said: “I am quite happy, possibly singing a little tune, but I am in a good mood when Tom comes in to the kitchen.
“Tom comes into the kitchen. Tom looks unusual, I think that is the best description, his eyes are quite, weird is not the word, almost frightening look, because they look terribly, terribly determined.
“I say ‘What’s the matter?’ or ‘Are you all right?’, and I see a knife and I remember saying ‘Don’t be so silly’, because he gives me an indication.”
She added: “He stood with his knife, he certainly didn’t look like he was going to help me peel potatoes, let’s put it that way, it was definitely a threatening posture.”
Paralysed mum looked at knife in her and was 'surprised it didn't hurt' | ITV News
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It seems nobody around him saw that he was experiencing severe mental health problems. If he'd been experiencing similar physical health problems of obsessive preoccupation with physical pain and being incapacitated, he'd have been repeatedly sent to doctors.
But people seemed to expect he'd just magically snap out of his obsessive ruminating on resentment. The counsellor talks about 'wounds': well, if someone has wounds, you have a duty to get them proper treatment, not just say 'Now, now, try not to bleed so much'.
I'm not excusing him, but I think mentally well family members and friends need to take charge and not just ignore major symptoms of mental sickness, and let it go on and on (also known as denial).
IMO, he was suicidal before the attack, he couldn't live with his own miserable thoughts any longer. But it seems he was so dependent and, probably, narcissistic, he was incapable of killing himself, begging police to do it.
JMO- Amateur speculation.
It sounds like a volatile/dysfunctional family - several previous episodes of violence - punching his sister, attempting to strangle his mother. It seems these prior episodes were brushed under the carpet.
I wonder why he continued to live there if it made him so unhappy
I wonder why he continued to live there if it made him so unhappy
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Entilted spoilt brat IMO , although doesn’t seem to be the only one of the family who thinks casual violence is the way to solve any perceived slights or issues.
Quite how he thinks he’s going to get away with manslaughter is beyond me.
On a separate note, deeply sad to read the extent of Anne Schreiber’s injuries. Her son has already handed her a life sentence
Entilted spoilt brat IMO , although doesn’t seem to be the only one of the family who thinks casual violence is the way to solve any perceived slights or issues.
Quite how he thinks he’s going to get away with manslaughter is beyond me.
On a separate note, deeply sad to read the extent of Anne Schreiber’s injuries. Her son has already handed her a life sentence
10:53am
Good morning, welcome to our live blog on the sixth day of the trial of Thomas Schreiber, who is accused of the murder of Sir Richard Sutton and attempted murder of Anne Schreiber.
Thomas Schreiber, 35 and of Gillingham, Dorset, denies both charges.
10:55am
Prosecutor Adam Feest QC has called his latest witness, forensic scientist Martin Crooks.
10:56am
Mr Crooks will be giving evidence on footmarks and footprints at Moorhill, the home of Sir Richard, Ms Schreiber and the defendant.
10:56am
He did not visit the scene but was provided with photographs from police.
10:59am
Mr Crooks is currently discussing the patterns created by shoes.
11:01am
Mr Crooks says "identifying" characteristics start to present when a person starts wearing a shoe, compared to "class" characteristics which come from the manufacturing of the shoe.
LIVE: Murder trial over death of millionaire Sir Richard Sutton enters second week
Good morning, welcome to our live blog on the sixth day of the trial of Thomas Schreiber, who is accused of the murder of Sir Richard Sutton and attempted murder of Anne Schreiber.
Thomas Schreiber, 35 and of Gillingham, Dorset, denies both charges.
10:55am
Prosecutor Adam Feest QC has called his latest witness, forensic scientist Martin Crooks.
10:56am
Mr Crooks will be giving evidence on footmarks and footprints at Moorhill, the home of Sir Richard, Ms Schreiber and the defendant.
10:56am
He did not visit the scene but was provided with photographs from police.
10:59am
Mr Crooks is currently discussing the patterns created by shoes.
11:01am
Mr Crooks says "identifying" characteristics start to present when a person starts wearing a shoe, compared to "class" characteristics which come from the manufacturing of the shoe.
LIVE: Murder trial over death of millionaire Sir Richard Sutton enters second week
11:02am
Mr Feest QC says the unique "identifying" characters do not need to be looked in detail as Sir Richard's footwear on April 7 at Moorhill had "unique" manufactured sole characteristics.
11:03am
The jury are shown a series of photographs of footprints and footmarks from the floor inside Moorhill.
11:03am
Mr Crooks confirms it is "fairly easy" to distinguish the sets of shoes worn in the property.
11:04am
He says he found no footprints from Anne Schreiber.
11:06am
Mr Crooks tells the court footprints and marks from the defendant were found in the Kitchen, pantry, on the stairs and upstairs.
In relation to Sir Richard, one right shoe mark was found in the kitchen. With his left shoe, as well as the kitchen, there were prints in the pantry, going up the stairs and upstairs.
Mr Crooks confirms he found further sock prints but not shoeprints.
11:08am
The witness says it is not possible by looking at photographs to say which footprint was left first when they are on top of each other.
11:13am
Mr Crooks responds to questions over footmarks and prints left downstairs at Moorhill, providing comments on whether they were left by Thomas Schreiber or Sir Richard Sutton.
11:25am
Along with marks left by people wearing shoes, Mr Crooks identifies a print left by an unshod foot.
11:39am
Quite an obvious statement, but the evidence from Mr Crooks is focusing very closely on specific and small details relating to each of the prints and marks that were identified throughout the property.
LIVE: Murder trial over death of millionaire Sir Richard Sutton enters second week
Mr Feest QC says the unique "identifying" characters do not need to be looked in detail as Sir Richard's footwear on April 7 at Moorhill had "unique" manufactured sole characteristics.
11:03am
The jury are shown a series of photographs of footprints and footmarks from the floor inside Moorhill.
11:03am
Mr Crooks confirms it is "fairly easy" to distinguish the sets of shoes worn in the property.
11:04am
He says he found no footprints from Anne Schreiber.
11:06am
Mr Crooks tells the court footprints and marks from the defendant were found in the Kitchen, pantry, on the stairs and upstairs.
In relation to Sir Richard, one right shoe mark was found in the kitchen. With his left shoe, as well as the kitchen, there were prints in the pantry, going up the stairs and upstairs.
Mr Crooks confirms he found further sock prints but not shoeprints.
11:08am
The witness says it is not possible by looking at photographs to say which footprint was left first when they are on top of each other.
11:13am
Mr Crooks responds to questions over footmarks and prints left downstairs at Moorhill, providing comments on whether they were left by Thomas Schreiber or Sir Richard Sutton.
11:25am
Along with marks left by people wearing shoes, Mr Crooks identifies a print left by an unshod foot.
11:39am
Quite an obvious statement, but the evidence from Mr Crooks is focusing very closely on specific and small details relating to each of the prints and marks that were identified throughout the property.
LIVE: Murder trial over death of millionaire Sir Richard Sutton enters second week
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