GUILTY Uk - Sophie Lionnet, 21, Body Found Burned, Wandsworth, London, 20 Sep 2017 *arrests*

[michelle230]

Quick. short update - prosecutor cross examining in a very different way/coming from a different angle than Peart as obviously his focus is different. Asking all the relevant questions e.g. "Why OM didn`t intervene..why he didn`t pay Sophie the last month (no money to return home),...why didn`t * he * get her ticket etc. Also asking very blunt, simple, factual questions trying to elicit from OM just how much of the fantasy he actually believed.
OM seems to be struggling to explain/express himself. He appears to be totally drained (I guess that`s how Sophie must have felt!)
I think tomorrow will be an extremely difficult day for him on the stand as we approach the climax.

I predict chaos when it is SK`s turn.

 

[michelle230]

Does he mean he sees it going longer than predicted 11th May or some other sort of problem? Any indication that she is going to take the stand?

Look forward to your update!

Yes. He is predicting..well...SK on the stand, (with extra complication of an interpreter which she will use to her full advantage of course). Will leave it to your imagination for now :thinking:

 

[janeh]

Yes. He is predicting..well...SK on the stand, (with extra complication of an interpreter which she will use to her full advantage of course). Will leave it to your imagination for now :thinking:

I can imagine that SK will use interpretation to her advantage too. Surely though she ought to be fluent in English with her living in England for so long and in America too at some point?

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[Tortoise]

via google translate -

[FONT=&amp]Ouissem Medouni feels bad and stops the hearing for several hours to see a doctor.[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Then he apologizes, gets confused, faced with the incisive and insistent questions of Richard Horwell.

Did Sabrina Kouider use bad words, insults to describe her au pair? Head down in his dark suit, the former financial analyst stammers, chaining silences and hesitations. "She had a high voice ... She was screaming, I do not remember the words she said," he finally articulated. Has he or not threatened himself Sophie Lionnet, not to return to France or end his [her] life in prison?

"It's not a violent threat, but for her it may have looked like a threat," says the accused. Before denying, then recognize half-word. "Sometimes I was really horrible during the interrogations, I was angry and I regret that," he admits. This behavior is abnormal, recognizes the forty-year-old, but "the situation was not normal".

Ouissem Medouni puts into question the context, his concern for the son of Sabrina Kouider: he thought he was a victim of pedophile aggression on the part of Mark Walton, former Boyzone singer and former companion of the young woman. The accused also blames Sophie's reversals and details during the many interrogations."Sometimes she said no, and then yes [...] With the details, I could not think it was wrong, why would she invent it? "


He, who claims to have several times thought to send the au pair back to France, breaks down in the face of repeated questions from the prosecutor. "She was not a prisoner," says Ouissem Medouni. "She did not have the money to go in, you did not pay her anymore! Growls Richard Horwell. "To go home, she had enough? - No, "admits the accused. Who tries to return to his original defense: "I do not like arguments, I was not the man of the house. "

For the prosecution, however, he adhered to the conspiracy thesis described by his companion. Not only to avoid conflicts, but also because he believed in this version of the facts. "She told you that she could see the future in her dreams," says the prosecutor. "Sometimes, when she dreamed things, it came true. [...] It happened two or three times. "

http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-dive...-avoue-ouissem-medouni-24-04-2018-7682004.php

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[Tortoise]

She doesn't seem to need an interpreter to understand OM's interrogations from your feedback. Or does she have someone next to her translating everything? Mark Walton should have been asked if she was able to converse normally or to a reasonably high standard in English.

 

[michelle230]

She has an interpreter next to her at all times - mostly she seems to understand, but converses with the interpreter at times. She understands enough to nod her head (think nodding dog from a past case lol), and shake her head at all the appropriate times.
Good point to have asked MW. Saved the tax payer a fortune!

 

[Horror]

Thank you for continuing to update I know I came along very late but I am avidly reading
Is it normal in the UK for the accused to be able to get away with these theatrical court performances ? I may be interpreting wrong but between outbursts and leaving the room and doctors needed it seems a bit dramatic.


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[Tortoise]

He's still on the stand according to lawpages

Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 23 Continues - 10:22
Trial (Part Heard) - Case adjourned until 11:30 - 11:21
Trial (Part Heard) - Resume - 11:52
Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 23 Continues - 11:54
Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 23 Continues - 12:40

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Central-Criminal-Court.php

 

[Tortoise]

translating an article over two posts with google translate http://www.lest-eclair.fr/66304/art...vaincu-d-un-complot-de-sophie-lionnet-et-mark

The Frenchman Ouissem Medouni, accused alongside his girlfriend Sabrina Kouider of having killed their au pair, Sophie Lionnet, said she [he] was convinced on Wednesday during the London trial that the girl had participated in a plot against family.


"I believe today even more than before that Mark Walton came to us," he said in the criminal court in London.

Mark Walton "contacted Sophie via Facebook" and flew to California from where he lives in London and booked hotel rooms in London under a false identity, Ouissem Medouni said.

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But the prosecutor, Richard Horwell, reminded him of excerpts from these recorded interrogations.

"I have more respect for a murderer than for you", "you remind me of the people who sold Jews to Hitler during the war", "you will spend the rest of your life being raped in prison", he threw at the 21-year-old girl, according to these recordings.

"Do you recognize that this is a threat? The prosecutor asks him. "Yes," Ouissem Medouni softly lets go. "It's horrible to say that," he says. "I was angry".

 

[Tortoise]

"You think you've lost touch with reality? The prosecutor asks him.

"No," responds the accused.


"How could Mark Walton and his accomplice have entered the house undetected? Asked the prosecutor, pointing out that the house was equipped with surveillance cameras.

Sophie "lowered the cameras," answers Ouissem Medouni.


According to him, a few days before the tragedy, Sabrina Kouider beat Sophie Lionnet with an electric cable and she "could not walk properly".

He said he told his companion to stop, but did not contact the rescue: "I did not want anyone to see it in this state."

He assured that he wanted to "take care of her for a few days", the time that Sophie Lionnet recover, then go to the police to denounce the alleged conspiracy against the family.

But the interrogations continued, despite the condition of the girl. "Have you ended? "No," admits Ouissem Medouni.

 

[Tortoise]

"She was watching whether I was drinking or not. I found that weird

[FONT=&amp]"He called her and she left the door open," he said. Convinced that the au pair was pouring drugs into their drinks, he said that one day Sophie Lionnet had given her [him] a glass of soda and "watched if I drank it or not." "I found it weird." Other mornings, he woke up with aches, he says. [...]

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Sabrina Kouider is expected to be interviewed from Thursday.

https://www.20minutes.fr/faits_dive...issem-medouni-dit-persuade-avoir-vise-complot
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[michelle230]

Thanks Tortoise!

Things are hotting up. The prosecutor continued to ask very simple, pointed questions as the abuse of Sophie heated up. In response OM stepped up his contention that he believed the "plot" was real. The prosecutor said that OM was "backing two horses!"
The same questions e.g. why didn`t you get help for Sophie/what gave you the right to interrogate her in the early hours of the morning/you treated her like an object/was this evidence caught on the cameras that you installed etc
Some parts of the recordings were replayed. Somehow hearing them for the second time was worse then the initial hearing. They were harsh. At one point SK was really screaming and swearing at poor Sophie and threatening her with spending her life in prison, "working for the government" and being abused and raped by other inmates.
SK naturally needed a break when Sophie`s injuries and her inability to walk were being discussed. So we had to adjourn for a short time.
All parties have been told in no uncertain terms - this trial * will* go on until it`s conclusion!
Left about 3.30 so thanks for the info Tortoise about what tomorrow * may* bring - not holding my breath ullhair:

 

[Tortoise]

I predict that you should expect to see lots of tears to get sympathy, and lies. She won't hesitate telling the most outrageous lies about how all the men in her life abused her. With lots of detail, she'll be an expert at lying, it's probably what she's done every day for most of her life.

IMO.

 

[janeh]

I predict that you should expect to see lots of tears to get sympathy, and lies. She won't hesitate telling the most outrageous lies about how all the men in her life abused her. With lots of detail, she'll be an expert at lying, it's probably what she's done every day for most of her life.

IMO.

Here here.

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[Tortoise]

One thing that isn't clear to me is whether there were two occasions when Sophie was put in the bath, or if OM has invented one of them because he knows the child put him with SK in the bathroom, so he had to claim there was a second time when Sophie died and he wasn't there.

 

[Tortoise]

An additional report from last week

Medouni admitted he was “very pushy” when he and his partner interrogated Miss Lionnet on the day of her death.
He called her “putain” – French for a – but said it meant something like “ah ****”.
The defendant said he wanted to record her confession on tape to take to police as proof.
Kouider was a very powerful woman fuelled by energy and rage and had hit Miss Lionnet during their questioning, he said.
Mr Peart asserted Medouni, who lost his job at Societe Generale in 2012, had used her for contacts and a “convenient pied a terre in London”.
Medouni replied: “I knew her when she started in a funfair selling sweets so I’m not the kind of guy who will go with a woman because she knows people.”
The barrister claimed he “refused to take no for an answer” during his courtship and even hung around outside her work.
Medouni was the 19-year-old Kouider’s first sexual partner and afterwards boasted about it with his friends in front of her, it was alleged.
Medouni denied it, adding he never slapped her during the relationship.

Read more at https://www.shropshirestar.com/news...t-have-i-done-court-told/#TQrliFGdk45zOhrQ.99

 

[Tortoise]

Case still hasn't started yet according to lawpages.

Is she refusing to get in the van that brings them to court?
Did she cause some drama last night at the prison? Demanding to have a sick note?:drama:

Is she lying on a couch in the cells below the court, ordering grapes and sending matron into a flurry? Demanding new representation? :dramaqueen:
Has the interpreter gone into hiding? :runaway:


The mind boggles. It's probably just last minute preparations for redirect of OM, or legal argument.

 

[Tortoise]

Yep, he's still on the stand. :facepalm:

Details:Trial (Part Heard) - Witness Number 23 Continues - 12:15

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Central-Criminal-Court.php

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/kirkkorner

@realDonaldTrump[FONT=&quot] makes an unexpected incursion into the trial of Sabrina Kouider who is accused of murdering her French nanny. Kouider boasted of “friends in high” places, including Donald Trump, the court hears.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]However under questioning, Kouider’s partner accepts that though she claimed to have famous friends, in reality she didn’t.[/FONT]

 

[Tortoise]

https://twitter.com/EmilyPennink

[FONT=&quot]Prosecutor in French nanny trial asks: “How did you feel setting fire to the body of another human being?” Very long silence in court before murder accused Ouissem Medouni replies “disgusting, horrible”.[/FONT]