GUILTY Uk - Sophie Lionnet, 21, Body Found Burned, Wandsworth, London, 20 Sep 2017 *arrests*

[Tortoise]

M, are you allowed to say what evidence the court has had from the children? By which I mean did they both have video interviews played to the court?

 

[michelle230]

M, are you allowed to say what evidence the court has had from the children? By which I mean did they both have video interviews played to the court?

I wasn`t in court at the start for K`s evidence but will try to remember to check tomorrow.
G`s evidence was recorded and read out in court. There were only a couple of points taken from what was probably a longer interview but of course the info would have been teased out slowly and carefully. I did post it earlier back but will find and repost.

 

[Legally Bland]

Thanks, Michelle!

 

[michelle230]

Also regarding Tortoise`s sharp eyed observation earlier on re witnesses, LB - I think it was you - you were correct.
Two witness statements were read out.
Antony Francois - as noted above - difficult, incomprehensible,craved attention, very strange, would pull girls hair in the street (as you do :thinking: ), took advantage of people weaker than her and knew how to suss them out - knew who to target, violent, aggressive, unstable, a manipulative liar...
He was 20 and she was 25 when they got together. He has not had contact with her for five and a half years.
He described OM whom he has not seen for ten years, as insular, aloof and discreet. He is aware SK told OM the baby was his.

Second witness statement was from G.
Didn`t like Sophie because she "stole mummy`s diamond". Then she "ran away". This was repeated a few times. Sophie tricked mummy". He also didn`t like Sophie because she "took me to a stranger`s house where there was a man with a gun".
He went on to say that SK shouted a lot at Sophie and that OM told her to stop but SK shouted "again and again".

G`s evidence

 

[michelle230]

Thank you again for the updates Michelle. On the one hand I don't envy you listening to this BS every day, but on the other I wish that I lived closer to the court, so that I could attend myself and see this amazing actress at work.

Janeh,
I think she can forget Rada any time soon :thinking:

 

[Tortoise]

I wasn`t in court at the start for K`s evidence but will try to remember to check tomorrow.
G`s evidence was recorded and read out in court. There were only a couple of points taken from what was probably a longer interview but of course the info would have been teased out slowly and carefully. I did post it earlier back but will find and repost.

It's ok - I just didn't know if it was video played or not. I remember you mentioning parts that were read out.

 

[michelle230]

It was mentioned today that * when * they are found guilty, may take time for SK`s sentence to be determined.

 

[michelle230]

It's ok - I just didn't know if it was video played or not. I remember you mentioning parts that were read out.

Ok - will check tomorrow. There are quite a little group of us going daily!

 

[mrazda71]

Ok - will check tomorrow. There are quite a little group of us going daily!

Michelle ... you mentioned a little while ago that it's been said that Mark had never met his son (we then had a pm chat about the photos I'd found) ...

Did you ever find out any more info?
Who was it who said Mark hadn't met his child?

I'm shocked that in such serious cases, Facebook refuses to allow the police access to accounts. The police can access a persons home, workplace, bank account but, not their Facebook account!

 

[Tortoise]

Michelle ... you mentioned a little while ago that it's been said that Mark had never met his son (we then had a pm chat about the photos I'd found) ...

Did you ever find out any more info?
Who was it who said Mark hadn't met his child?

I'm shocked that in such serious cases, Facebook refuses to allow the police access to accounts. The police can access a persons home, workplace, bank account but, not their Facebook account!

Looking back over his evidence (post no #62) he says he saw his son twice.

 

[michelle230]

No court today as juror unwell....and SK unwell...

 

[mrazda71]

Looking back over his evidence (post no #62) he says he saw his son twice.

You're brilliant Tortoise! Somehow I had missed that article, the French to English translation that my phone does automatically is a little iffy but ... yes, it seems that it is fact, that he did see his son.

I had seen photos and comments leading me to think that but, someone had said to Michelle that he'd never even met his son ...

Thanks again.

 

[Horror]

Thanks Michelle. Big thanks also for posters links and Posts.
I am enthralled at the lunacy of this case. The madness of these 2 is almost addictive to read about.


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[michelle230]

Well, I went for coffee with the lovely group of people I have met at the OB who also attend every day.

Just to clarify re K`s evidence - he was interviewed in a separate room at the court and the interview could be viewed simultaneously in the main court room. Barristers wigs etc were removed.

Very strange evidence yesterday re the saucepan and towel. No idea where that came from :thinking:

 

[michelle230]

Michelle ... you mentioned a little while ago that it's been said that Mark had never met his son (we then had a pm chat about the photos I'd found) ...

Did you ever find out any more info?
Who was it who said Mark hadn't met his child?

I'm shocked that in such serious cases, Facebook refuses to allow the police access to accounts. The police can access a persons home, workplace, bank account but, not their Facebook account!

Apologies if I got that information wrong Mrazda. I think many of us were very confused at the start of the trial (especially late comers like me!) because we were unsure of the ages of the children and the timelines.

 

[mrazda71]

Apologies if I got that information wrong Mrazda. I think many of us were very confused at the start of the trial (especially late comers like me!) because we were unsure of the ages of the children and the timelines.

No no, please, don't apologise!
My suspicious mind was doing overtime thinking that IF it was being said that Mark hadn't even met his son, and IF the photos/comments I'd seen were correct then something was very amiss and what else could be being missed.

 

[Elainera]

Well, I went for coffee with the lovely group of people I have met at the OB who also attend every day.

Just to clarify re K`s evidence - he was interviewed in a separate room at the court and the interview could be viewed simultaneously in the main court room. Barristers wigs etc were removed.

Very strange evidence yesterday re the saucepan and towel. No idea where that came from :thinking:

bbm - SK's fantasy life?

 

[michelle230]

I`m going to call the court this morning before I leave home for court.

Got a feeling there may be a few wasted journeys this week :gaah:

 

[sar2them1984]

Hmmm...can you dunk a head in a saucepan? Does it even fit? Tempted to test that out but i know what will inevitably happen...

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[Tortoise]

Hmmm...can you dunk a head in a saucepan? Does it even fit? Tempted to test that out but i know what will inevitably happen...

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I was just about to make a post saying I've got a pan big enough to dunk a head in, but then I thought I'd better check first. You wouldn't believe the things I've tested since I've been at WS - I'm just glad there's no one home right now to see me trying to get my head in the saucepan! (I didn't fill it with water )

My largest pan is 25cm diameter and 15cm deep, and I can't imagine most families having a bigger pan than that. I've also got a giant jam pan that I've used for apple bobbing before but SK doesn't exactly strike me as a jam maker. I could fit my face in the saucepan just about, and only if it was very slowly and carefully done, a rough dunking by someone else would most likely not work because my chin or forehead would hit the rim. With my head in it top first (like a hat) the depth just about covered my eyes (nose would not have been under water).

With a towel around the face there is no way it would fit. I think most likely what did happen is it was tried and didn't work and that is why the bath was used. It seems to me to be something so outside anyone's field of imagination (using a saucepan and towel) to even invent such a thing, that there was a grain of truth in it and she has embellished with the dunking.

MOO.